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SONN
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wow, tripping always makes you look at the shit you've been doing recently and realize you should be doing something better. Generally I'm a very non-judgemental person but psyches really put things in perspective.
uu, lots of combos going on around here!
@sonn: hope you have/had a good trip! 2cb+tryptamines was quite visual for me, and i never added mxe either... im sure you had a magical trip though. glad you kept the doses farily conservative though
@trozzle: though 4ho-met is often said to resemble mushies a lot, i found this not to be the case, at least not at the farily moderate doses ive dabbed in. id rather prefer 4aco-mipt for a mushroom like experience, though i can see some feeling that is a bit too manic ...
cloudy cold grey monday. like its supposed to be dam it
@sonn: hope you have/had a good trip! 2cb+tryptamines was quite visual for me, and i never added mxe either... im sure you had a magical trip though. glad you kept the doses farily conservative though
@trozzle: though 4ho-met is often said to resemble mushies a lot, i found this not to be the case, at least not at the farily moderate doses ive dabbed in. id rather prefer 4aco-mipt for a mushroom like experience, though i can see some feeling that is a bit too manic ...
cloudy cold grey monday. like its supposed to be dam it
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Bluelighter
I don't find 4-HO-MET mushroom like either, pretty distinct in its own right, though all four subs carry a bit of the flavor. 4-AcO-MiPT was probably my favorite of them to bad it's nowhere to be found these days.
Hmm, fair enough! I'll be dosing high to begin with - after a sub-active dose to test for any allergic reactions etc. Even though you guys believe they're different from mushrooms, what dosage of 4-HO-MET would be (very) roughly equivalent to 5 grams of dried p.cubensis?
In what ways would you describe the headspace of 4-HO-MET? I quite enjoy the feeling of oneness with the universe, complete "understanding" (fuck knows of what though lol), and the way it makes me look at recorded time from a completely different perspective; I realise the last like 50 years are unbelievably insignificant in the grand scheme of things, and every moment that passes is a moment never to be repeated. I find this epiphany to be overwhelmingly motivating - in fact it was my most enjoyable moment from a REALLY heavy mushroom trip (~24 dried cubes...god knows how many grams haha).
In what ways would you describe the headspace of 4-HO-MET? I quite enjoy the feeling of oneness with the universe, complete "understanding" (fuck knows of what though lol), and the way it makes me look at recorded time from a completely different perspective; I realise the last like 50 years are unbelievably insignificant in the grand scheme of things, and every moment that passes is a moment never to be repeated. I find this epiphany to be overwhelmingly motivating - in fact it was my most enjoyable moment from a REALLY heavy mushroom trip (~24 dried cubes...god knows how many grams haha).
hmm. cant really compare dosages but id say that erowid is pretty ok at elast for me with no tolerance. 20mg is about as far as id go, but it may feel less intense than 5g of cubensis. then again, not all 5g of mushrooms are created equal, no?
for me mushrooms have a serious edge to them. yes they can be extremly fun, but overall the feeling is that you are a responsable adult engaging in meaninguful fun. 4ho-met on the other and seems less serious. yes it can give great visuals and can produce confusion and "mind fuckery" but... it still seems somewhat playful, superficial. ive never pushed the higher doses though and so things might be quite different there. i ve also found that synthetic tryptamines provide less aftereffects/afterglow than the natural alternative. im not suggesting it ahs anything to do with the whole artificial natural debate, but perhaps its the ratio and various substances in mushrooms that give an overall more consistenten mind food.
for me mushrooms have a serious edge to them. yes they can be extremly fun, but overall the feeling is that you are a responsable adult engaging in meaninguful fun. 4ho-met on the other and seems less serious. yes it can give great visuals and can produce confusion and "mind fuckery" but... it still seems somewhat playful, superficial. ive never pushed the higher doses though and so things might be quite different there. i ve also found that synthetic tryptamines provide less aftereffects/afterglow than the natural alternative. im not suggesting it ahs anything to do with the whole artificial natural debate, but perhaps its the ratio and various substances in mushrooms that give an overall more consistenten mind food.
swilow
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Xorkoth
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I find 4-HO-MET to be not very deep compared to other 4-sub-Ts I've tried, at least at "regular" dosages. I have heard reports of people taking 40, 50, 60+mg and having extremely intense, ego-diminishing experiences however. At 20-30mg, I find it to be fairly visual in a beautiful way (keep in mind I don't get visuals too easily anymore though), and very body- and emotion-centered. It makes me feel in touch with my physical self and with nature, in a way that seems related to mescaline. It produces euphoria and is usually a very easy trip to handle and simply enjoy just being. It's very enjoyable but I find it very different from mushrooms, really not too similar.
When I added ~20mg of 4-HO-MET to the tail end of a 37mg 2C-B trip, it combined to create a truly deep and wonderful experience though... some of the best CEVs I have ever had, beautiful, realistic, fractal, engaging, responding to the music and my emotions to take me on a mental/emotional voyage.
SONN
Bluelighter
I forget if I took 25mg or 30mg of 4-ho-met but I had a really great time and compared it to what I imagined an LSD and shroom combo would feel like, until the end where I had the only full blown psychotic panic attack I've ever had. I seriously thought the world was ending. If I had some benzos though they could have definitely stopped the panic attack in its tracks or at least cut it shorter but that was before I'd ever tried them or had access to them.
Xorkoth
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So the girl I've been hanging out with just left... she's been at my house since Saturday morning, except we went for long hikes Saturday and Sunday, but it's been a continuous period all weekend. I have to say I'm gonna miss her when she leaves in a week. It's weird, I feel really close to her, like it feels like the beginning of a relationship, or even not the beginning but a little way in, we have a lot of wordless communication going on. Also the most frequent amounts of sex I've ever had... I'm fully sore today. 
Really close, passionate style too. Like last night it was 3 times, plus when we woke up. She went to the bathroom in the middle of the night and came back and it was like, okay, we're awake, let's have sex again. I think we're both just the kinds of people who want that sort of interaction with someone (sweet and close and passionate I mean), but it's weird how it just happened, really natural feeling. We even did it on a river rock yesterday way upstream from a waterfall where we hadn't seen anyone for hours. Semi-public... that's a first for me.
My head's spinning a little bit... that sort of interaction with someone produces feelings, and I have those now. I can't decide if it's a good thing or a bad thing that she's leaving for 6 months to go trim buds in Cali and travel. Probably a good thing because I don't think I need to get into something for a while. But I'm definitely gonna miss her. But overall it's been good for me, before this the thought of being in this sort of situation with someone besides my ex seemed weird, I couldn't imagine it. This was the final thing I needed to do to fully move on. Now I'll be more confident in my ability to live the bachelor life and seek other people.
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Really close, passionate style too. Like last night it was 3 times, plus when we woke up. She went to the bathroom in the middle of the night and came back and it was like, okay, we're awake, let's have sex again. I think we're both just the kinds of people who want that sort of interaction with someone (sweet and close and passionate I mean), but it's weird how it just happened, really natural feeling. We even did it on a river rock yesterday way upstream from a waterfall where we hadn't seen anyone for hours. Semi-public... that's a first for me.My head's spinning a little bit... that sort of interaction with someone produces feelings, and I have those now. I can't decide if it's a good thing or a bad thing that she's leaving for 6 months to go trim buds in Cali and travel. Probably a good thing because I don't think I need to get into something for a while. But I'm definitely gonna miss her. But overall it's been good for me, before this the thought of being in this sort of situation with someone besides my ex seemed weird, I couldn't imagine it. This was the final thing I needed to do to fully move on. Now I'll be more confident in my ability to live the bachelor life and seek other people.
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actually xorkoth... she sounds pretty special and you two seem to be on the same wavelength... i miss her from your descriptions already eh 
if i were you id probably spend the next 6 months texting and calling her and generally buliding dream castles in a probable future that may or may not coincide with hers...
bah. im a sucker for new love. falling in love is always so magical. in the true, meaningful, wholesome way (not the druggy magic)
if i were you id probably spend the next 6 months texting and calling her and generally buliding dream castles in a probable future that may or may not coincide with hers...bah. im a sucker for new love. falling in love is always so magical. in the true, meaningful, wholesome way (not the druggy magic)
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Bluelighter
I was reading a thread and saw a name that hasn't been around in forever, dread! I wish he would get back on here!
Good shit Xorkoth! I knew you would catch those feelings, you try to act hard like all you need is to fuck bitches and make money but at heart your just a softy!
Seriously though it's to bad you didn't get to spend more time with her, she sounds cool, though longer might have made saying goodbye even harder...
Good shit Xorkoth! I knew you would catch those feelings, you try to act hard like all you need is to fuck bitches and make money but at heart your just a softy!
Seriously though it's to bad you didn't get to spend more time with her, she sounds cool, though longer might have made saying goodbye even harder...
Xorkoth
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I didn't know I try to act like that. 
Is that how I come across here? Or you're just fucking with me aren't you? I figure you are but it's good to understand how other people see you. I'm kinda manic about the whole thing since it's so new for me so you never know.
We still have a week though. Although this Friday night I have plans to take MXE with samadhi_smiles (his first time) and Delsyd. She rarely does drugs so I'm gonna keep that between bros.
Yeah new love/infatuation is awesome, it's the best really. I didn't really expect to feel this way though, about this person, it didn't seem like such a nice match when I met her or even after the first time we hung out. I'm gonna keep in touch for sure but I'm also going to pursue other things. We'll see, I'm a little afraid of it going too far just because, like, this is the first time I've been single in my entire adult life. Seems like a good idea to take it R E A L slow and explore my options. I feel like there's no need to stick to traditional ideas of feelings, ie, you can only have those feelings for one person. I wouldn't want to hurt her either but I believe she feels the same way. I guess we'll see.
But yeah, we are more or less on the same wavelength. It was super easy to spend 2 and a half days together constantly, though I must admit I'm pretty glad to be alone right now for a little while. But it was even like she was living at my house really naturally. Making food for each other (mostly me because I love to cook, I made some KILLER pasta/spicy sauce the other night with vegetables she brought), she'd do some dishes or I would, she was even doing some other household chores without communicating about it. She seemed to know when I needed a few minutes of space, and vice versa. She even taps her legs constantly like I do and gets really silly and bounces around which is also something I do. My cats LOVE her and she's so sweet with them. My girl kitty snuggled with us all night, right between us. She even did the claw kneading thing on her stomach that means she loves you. They were nuzzling her face and everything. She seems utterly enchanted by my cats, which is easy for me to understand, they're special cats, the most personable and loving cats you've ever seen. But I rarely see someone so easily "adopted" by them. They seemed like they loved having her around and were sad when she left this morning.
Is that how I come across here? Or you're just fucking with me aren't you? I figure you are but it's good to understand how other people see you. I'm kinda manic about the whole thing since it's so new for me so you never know.We still have a week though. Although this Friday night I have plans to take MXE with samadhi_smiles (his first time) and Delsyd. She rarely does drugs so I'm gonna keep that between bros.
Yeah new love/infatuation is awesome, it's the best really. I didn't really expect to feel this way though, about this person, it didn't seem like such a nice match when I met her or even after the first time we hung out. I'm gonna keep in touch for sure but I'm also going to pursue other things. We'll see, I'm a little afraid of it going too far just because, like, this is the first time I've been single in my entire adult life. Seems like a good idea to take it R E A L slow and explore my options. I feel like there's no need to stick to traditional ideas of feelings, ie, you can only have those feelings for one person. I wouldn't want to hurt her either but I believe she feels the same way. I guess we'll see.
But yeah, we are more or less on the same wavelength. It was super easy to spend 2 and a half days together constantly, though I must admit I'm pretty glad to be alone right now for a little while. But it was even like she was living at my house really naturally. Making food for each other (mostly me because I love to cook, I made some KILLER pasta/spicy sauce the other night with vegetables she brought), she'd do some dishes or I would, she was even doing some other household chores without communicating about it. She seemed to know when I needed a few minutes of space, and vice versa. She even taps her legs constantly like I do and gets really silly and bounces around which is also something I do. My cats LOVE her and she's so sweet with them. My girl kitty snuggled with us all night, right between us. She even did the claw kneading thing on her stomach that means she loves you. They were nuzzling her face and everything. She seems utterly enchanted by my cats, which is easy for me to understand, they're special cats, the most personable and loving cats you've ever seen. But I rarely see someone so easily "adopted" by them. They seemed like they loved having her around and were sad when she left this morning.
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Bluelighter
Sweet man, is S_S still banned? Don't think I've seen him around in a long time. Cool guy though!
IDK man, you might have to decide that yourself, or maybe contemplate it on MXE, and come to the cosmic conclusion that as long as you know your a good person, with good worldly intentions, then at the end of the day it doesn't really matter what others think, especially some guy on the interwebs?!? Could be like tootsie pops, you just may never know! She definitely sounds awesome, just leave your life behind and go trim some buds. Haha, I say that though because I would love to be a legal grower or trimmer. I personally think your following the right approach though. Ha, my cat kneads anyone and will purr/knead for hours after a minutes pet. That's why I love him and my little dog though, their always super happy! Great trip partners as they always have a mellow or estatically happy attitude.
IDK man, you might have to decide that yourself, or maybe contemplate it on MXE, and come to the cosmic conclusion that as long as you know your a good person, with good worldly intentions, then at the end of the day it doesn't really matter what others think, especially some guy on the interwebs?!?
Could be like tootsie pops, you just may never know! She definitely sounds awesome, just leave your life behind and go trim some buds. Haha, I say that though because I would love to be a legal grower or trimmer. I personally think your following the right approach though. Ha, my cat kneads anyone and will purr/knead for hours after a minutes pet. That's why I love him and my little dog though, their always super happy! Great trip partners as they always have a mellow or estatically happy attitude.
Xorkoth
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Yeah technically he's perma-banned, but he did register a new account and posted in here once a little while ago. Yeah he's one of my favorite people in the world, I love that guy. Also he was my first BL friend I met in person, back in 2008.
Yeah I'd love to drop everything and spend the winter trimming buds, honestly. I can't though, I have a job and a house and cats.
And yeah xammy, it's hard to get the motivation. You know what I did, is just signed up for OkCupid and made a good profile. At first I was messaging girls but now I pretty much just let it sit there and I periodically get messaged. There have been 2 good prospects now including the girl I've been talking about, both of whom messaged me so I already knew they were interested. The other is the other girl I was talking about a while back, who isn't sure what she wants... ironically she messaged me this week while I was hanging out with the other girl, wanting to make sure I don't drift away and apologizing, and saying we should hang out some night soon.
So basically, OkCupid is working for me. :D Not sure if you have that where you live but you probably have some sort of dating website. It's a new world and the Internet is a great way to meet people.
Yeah I'd love to drop everything and spend the winter trimming buds, honestly. I can't though, I have a job and a house and cats.
And yeah xammy, it's hard to get the motivation. You know what I did, is just signed up for OkCupid and made a good profile. At first I was messaging girls but now I pretty much just let it sit there and I periodically get messaged. There have been 2 good prospects now including the girl I've been talking about, both of whom messaged me so I already knew they were interested. The other is the other girl I was talking about a while back, who isn't sure what she wants... ironically she messaged me this week while I was hanging out with the other girl, wanting to make sure I don't drift away and apologizing, and saying we should hang out some night soon.
So basically, OkCupid is working for me. :D Not sure if you have that where you live but you probably have some sort of dating website. It's a new world and the Internet is a great way to meet people.
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Bluelighter
Get out there post brother! You seem like a geinue guy so it shouldn't be to hard. Besides you've got everybody losing their minds in the near eternal dark portion of the year!
I know I know, I'm just to much of a jokester for my own good! Your boss would probably understand after the ibogaine thing though!
That's what I thought(about S_S)what'd he get banned for anyways, he always seemed well mannered!had a couple of friends that went on "speed dating" nights organized in a local cafes/bars. it was far more civilized and decent than they expected. it didnt result in anything too grand, but then neither did they pursue much, nor had much expectation.
just keep your eyes open
just keep your eyes open
Xorkoth
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Get out there post brother! You seem like a geinue guy so it shouldn't be to hard. Besides you've got everybody losing their minds in the near eternal dark portion of the year!
I know I know, I'm just to much of a jokester for my own good! Your boss would probably understand after the ibogaine thing though!
He was never anything but awesome in PD and everyone who participates in PD always loved him. But I guess he ruffled some feathers too often in other forums during a period of time where he was, shall we say, a bit troubled, and the result was that the higher-ups considered him a troublemaker and shit-stirrer. I disagreed with the decision 100%, and actually Love Lite stopped posting here because of it.
Hehe, I wish my work would let me take a sabbaitcal, I'd hike the entire Appalachian Trail next year. Unfortunately they won't so before I can do that, and other things like it, I need for my art to take off or something so I don't need this job anymore and can work 100% for myself, and be able to take that kind of time off when I want to. I'm not willing to give up this job because I love the people, I get mad respect, and I work from home and make good money. I'd have to give it up to do that kind of thing. One day...