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Whoah there. Settle down now. I was with you until French. It's my benchmark, but now that I'm many languages down the line, I don't think of it as an easy one for Anglophones. I'd sooner tackle Hindi, Korean, Nepali, or te reo Maori over French any day. 😆
I grew up in Maine where people speak Chiac, to Quebecois people it sounds like redneck French but in Maine, it's "Maine French". It branched from Europe's standards at a similar time as Louisiana's and Haiti's dialects also split, so they all act like time capsules of the same little period of French, separate from the French used today in France, with Canada being the middle ground of this peculiar funnel of cultural history.

I can hold conversations in it and understand the old people when they talk, but then I moved to Tampa and found that there are so many cognates and overlapping grammatical structures with Haitian Kreyol that a steady conversation can be held. That was huge, I later met people who spoke Louisiana French and it was also stunningly similar to Chiac, but somewhat distant from any European dialects. It felt centuries departed by this point, I find it really linguistically fascinating. In college I would spend time hanging with this girl whose parents are both from France, and listening to them speak, and then speaking to my friend in Kreyol in front of them and watching their reactions was fascinating too. Florida's a strange place linguistically, that's for sure.
 
How does Chiac compare to the french they speak in New Brunswick? I talked to a guy from NB who went to France and he said people were laughing at his French all the time because to them it sounded like some archaic French, like if someone spoke Shakespearean English today, but with a more redneck/countryside flavour.

I've heard the same thing about Afrikaans to Dutch people.

I spent a little bit of time in Haiti at one point and the Creole did my head in. I'm not good enough at French to converse, but I know enough to understand and speak some basics, and the Haitian Creole was just so close and so far at the same time, it was tantalizingly recognizable but also so African. I think after some time it would get easier to transform.

I was also really surprised to see how much Haitian Creole was around in Miami during a short visit en route.

Haiti is such a difficult place. Someone told me they have an expression "mountains behind mountains" to describe the challenges to surviving in that place.

Very cool you can speak Esperanto @Esperighanto - do you believe it actually is a practical language that could become a common tongue?
 
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How does Chiac compare to the french they speak in New Brunswick? I talked to a guy from NB who went to France and he said people were laughing at his French all the time because to them it sounded like some archaic French, like if someone spoke Shakespearean English today, but with a more redneck/countryside flavour.
New Brunswick (especially the western third) and Maine speak the same language, Mainers tend to call it Chiac (shee-ak), in NB they'll refer to it as Acadien (Ah-cuh-djyawn), I used to work with native Acadenien speakers that I could speak with, it allowed us to be sneaky in meeting sometimes which was fun.
I spent a little bit of time in Haiti at one point and the Creole did my head in. I'm not good enough at French to converse, but I know enough to understand and speak some basics, and the Haitian Creole was just so close and so far at the same time, it was tantalizingly recognizable but also so African. I think after some time it would get easier to transform.
Haiti's definitely a brutal place to be, that's for sure. I went to college in Tampa and I'm not positive, but it seems to be equally Haitian. I'm actually heading down to the bay in the next month or so to spend a couple nights with a homie of mine who grew up in South Florida, but his entire family's from Haiti. Haitian Kreyol is further from Acadien and Chiac than Acadien and Chiac are from one another, but Kreyol takes exceptionally little time to get used to if you already have a background with Chiac/Acadien. A friend of mine in college I'll call L grew up in France, and spoke solely English, Spanish and the most painfully European French I've ever heard. She couldn't pick up a single bit of Kreyol, she claimed it was spoken too fast and that she'd recognize little bits and pieces, but not enough to meaningfully understand a sentence. It was funny though, bc Haitians, Acadiens and the Chiac can usually understand Eurofrench.
do you believe it actually is a practical language that could become a common tongue?
Nah, I think it served a good solution to its Białystok problem at the time where Zamenhof was, nowadays I view Esperanto as a good stepping stone into language learning. It has a simple system for native speakers of European languages, involves really novel usage of infixes, and the grammatical structure is super intuitive. There's a 9x5 table of correlatives that are combined with 5 initial syllables, and 9 different endings, and 45 words come out of that. Anybody interested in language learning should give Esperanto a swing. For a native anglophone looking to learn as many languages as possible without caring much about their use, I always advise towards Afrikaans, Norwegian, and Esperanto. Esperanto is not that useful without the context of using it to learn other languages though.
 
Yeah, I lived with trilingual English, Kreyol, and French speakers in college. I never really got to where I could follow Kreyol, but we didn't hang out much. I've never messed around with Norwegian. Nepali is pretty easy to pick up, though - on par with Spanish.
 
Wow this is neat. My wife used to speak Nepali (probably still does if she gave it some time) and she got really good at Kreyol. No Norweigan at all, but we have some family connections there so it is within reach for sure. We also spent some time working in Iceland in the late noughtys, I think Icelandic is not terribly far away from Norweigan - and there are some Norweigans living in Iceland. Nepali is pretty close to Hindi apparently. Right now we're back in indo so slowly coaxing back our bahasa Indonesia.

If I had more time to learn language recreationally I'd like to learn Cantonese. Sadly it's a lot less practical than Mandarin Chinese these days, but I really like the sound of it, seems more fun than Mandarin. And I believe it's more closely related to some of the south east asian languages like Thai and Lao (could be wrong).

I think it's true what they say that it takes a little longer to learn a language as you get older. But I'm not 100% convinced it isn't just mental. At this stage I'm also juggling a bunch of other stuff while trying to squeeze Indonesian in on the side. When I was in my 20s I picked up Brazilian Portuguese - not fluent, but able to sit through a comedy movie and mostly get it by the end of 6 months, and hold basically any kind of conversation with a bit of patience. When I was in Brazil I was single and only had one thing to do other than learn Portuguese, whereas here I don't have the opportunity to focus as intently. I've spent about 2 years in Indonesia total, and have no where near the fluency I did with Portuguese.

I'm very curious about how psychedelics could help stimulate neural plasticity and language learning.

Indonesia is neat, people here often speak so many different languages. I was just talking to a guy last night who's mom is Filipina, dad from Sumatra. He grew up in Hong Kong, and now set up in Bali. He speaks English fluently, for sure Tagalog as well and Bahasa Indonesia. I bet he speaks Cantonese and Sumatran dialects as well. Wouldn't be surprised if he spoke some other Euro languages too.
 
Very cool! I'm honestly pretty optimistic about your ability to pick up Bahasa quickly.
 
Thanks for the encouragement @Pfafffed! It's definitely easy as far as languages go - as you may know there are no tenses, simple grammar, roman alphabet, and it's a second language for a lot of it's speakers, so it's kind of built for learning. I already have basic transactional level Indonesian, but last time I was here I got kind of stalled at that stage, and I'm motivated to level up now.
 
Thanks for the encouragement @Pfafffed! It's definitely easy as far as languages go - as you may know there are no tenses, simple grammar, roman alphabet, and it's a second language for a lot of it's speakers, so it's kind of built for learning. I already have basic transactional level Indonesian, but last time I was here I got kind of stalled at that stage, and I'm motivated to level up now.
It always helped me to find music, movies, etc. that use the language because it offered a more practical way to interface with learning something in a functional and conversational way, whereas classes and educational texts are often more academic and formal in how they work. I picked up Spanish in Tampa and to this day I speak like the ghetto ass Ricans I was hanging out with. Between speaking ghetto Florispanish and Maine Chiac, it feels like speaking two highly localized languages, I'm just glad I can still speak with people from Haiti, Quebec, Cajun areas, etc.

I used to be super obsessed with language learning as a teenager, there were points that I could hold conversations in Cantonese, Norwegian, Greek, Vlax Romani, German, etc. and I want to refresh German and Romani, then if I push it up another couple and can maintain them all I could hit my arbitrary life goal of trying to maintain seven language conversationally. Not to the point of being able to write a novel or beautiful poetry you know, but just holding down conversations.
 
I started with French, then Japanese, then Polish, then Arabic (Classical, then Iraqi, then Egyptian in quick succession) with varying levels of commitment. I worked on Korean for a while, then went back to French, which finally stuck. I tackled Mandarin, but couldn't pursue it in college, so I switched to Qheshwa and Japanese. I needed Spanish for work, and then I needed Nepali (which came with a smattering of other regional and historic languages, but not significantly.) I absorbed a little Te Reo Maori, then went back to Spanish. And after all of that, I moved back to North America and used none of it for a really long time and forgot most of it. The weirdest things stick. Like French, which I learned early on and in a structured way, is pretty easy to tap into. Things like Spanish that I was a much better speaker of and learned later on through immersion, those fade fast.
 
What's Qheshwa @Pfafffed is that the same as Quechua? What about Nepali - did you spend some time living in Nepal?

I'm impressed with you guys' polyglotism! You both have a really interesting set of languages under your belts. It's inspiring to know it can be done!

a more practical way to interface with learning something in a functional and conversational way, whereas classes and educational texts are often more academic and formal in how they work
It's probably like learning music. You could spend a lot of time studying music theory, but unless you actually jam and play songs it won't do you any good. But on the other hand, having some music theory (or grammar/academic language study as it were) can be a really good foundation.
 
It's probably like learning music. You could spend a lot of time studying music theory, but unless you actually jam and play songs it won't do you any good. But on the other hand, having some music theory (or grammar/academic language study as it were) can be a really good foundation.
This is a fantastic comparison!
All this language talk sent me down some wikipedia rabbit holes and led me to this - it's a real trip listening to her speak English and Scots: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WIKITONGUES-_Christine_speaking_Shetlandic.webm
Shetlandic is closely related to, and somewhat inter-comprehensible with Icelandic, the native language of my best friend. Both of his parents moved here from Iceland so he's pretty recently American, hope ICE doesn't start coming for the nords.
 
What's Qheshwa @Pfafffed is that the same as Quechua? What about Nepali - did you spend some time living in Nepal?
Yep! Qheshwa is Quechua, but with the proper Qheshwa transliteration. Quechua is the latinized transliteration. I've never actually spent any time in Nepal, but I lived in an area of the world where Nepali was widely spoken (along with a bunch of other languages.) Last Saturday, I attended a seminar on Irish regional pronunciation. Interesting, but I don't think I have the time for that lol
 
Here's a handful of indonesian words that I think are delightful from an etymology or language fan perspective. These each have cognates in sanskrit, portuguese/spanish/latin, dutch, or tagalog

rasa - flavour/think
dua - two
tiga - three
trotoar - sidewalk
gang - street
raja - king
kemeja - shirt
mentega - butter
keju - cheese
sabun - soap
gereja - church
desa - village
wanita - woman
bahasa - language
nama - name
anak - child
bulan - month/moon
 
Hello lovely PD people ! How's everything going ? It's been quite a while since I last posted here. Maybe some of you may remember, I recently moved to Europe. Here I finally got to start a long postponed carrer and got into gradschool. So between the adjusting to this new life and keeping up with work life's been really busy. I haven't had much time to post and also havn't been really tripping either. But I do think often about you guys so I came by to drop a post. Things are a bit more stable and steady now. A couple of months ago I deleted my social media which was taking too much of my atention in useless ways, lol. So I thought maybe I can start coming here instead.

I was hoping to see Xorkoth back here when I came back, does anyone know anything about him ?


Wish you all a great day !

P.S: Really impressed with you guys language skills, I'm kinda struggling with French right now to be honest haha ... I'm at the stage of understanding most of it (reading or listening), but having real life conversations stills feel like quite the struggle and it's kinda frustrating. I don't have much people to practice with, though. We mostly speak English in the lab as its a mostly international environment.
 
I was hoping to see Xorkoth back here when I came back, does anyone know anything about him ?


Wish you all a great day !

P.S: Really impressed with you guys language skills, I'm kinda struggling with French right now to be honest haha ... I'm at the stage of understanding most of it (reading or listening), but having real life conversations stills feel like quite the struggle and it's kinda frustrating. I don't have much people to practice with, though. We mostly speak English in the lab as its a mostly international environment.
Xorkoth is well, I speak to him often and I’m seeing him tomorrow at my daughters BDay party. It seems he is gone from BL for good, or at least for the foreseeable future.
He has gotten really into woodworking and carpentry and devotes all his free time to that and his band. He is in a good place mentally. Sometimes it’s good to get away from all the drug talk, let your brain recalibrate and find new interests and hobbies.

I got myself into a pickle with 7 ho mitragynine. This stuff is so much more powerful than Kratom. With Kratom I can take it or leave it but 7 oh got it’s hooks in me. I’ve been tapering the past week and will be jumping off on Thursday with the help of some regular leaf Kratom. Not looking forward to the WD’s but sure as hell can’t wait to be free from this poison.
 
Xorkoth is well, I speak to him often and I’m seeing him tomorrow at my daughters BDay party.
Hey blessings to you and family Delsyd. Blessings to Xorkoth and family too. Thanks for the nice update and you all have a great time at the Bday party.

I do know how it feels to have not time for BL. I am starting to get get swamped myself. Feel guilty too but life swallows us up for sure.

I am so glad I am sticking regular powder kratom. Never tried 7-ho. I do want off the powder but it really is saving me now. But I keep it twice a day. I am around a lot of drugs right now. (long story, dying people) But because of kratom I am not tempted at all and on the up and up. So in a way I am glad I still use MY kratom lol. Nothing wrong with that. If I ever get any time for myself I would like to just kick it. It is not that bad but it is an ordeal for a week or two. For now, it is a friend keeping me straight. I am glad I did not get off last year since it is helping now. Absolutely Crazy.

Hello lovely PD people
Hey was thinking of members that have not been here in a while and you were one of them. lol Back at you and hope life is well.

Hope everyone is well.
 
I am experiencing the second day (hopefully the last) of recovery from either a horrible stomach bug or food poisoning. It is arguably the most painful and miserable experience I have had in recent memory… I recall getting the flu bad in 2008 and in 2017 because one never forgets real flu episodes and even then I don’t recall feeling as shitty as I do right now.

It’s like time is crawling by. I finally asked my wife in between stints of puking yesterday to call my doctor and ask what to do; he prescribed me some ondansetron and some otc loperamide to try and arrest the worst symptoms and they’re helping at least on the lower end of things if you catch my drift.

But while I waited for an hour for her to come back from the pharmacy, it must have been the longest hour of my life. Sheer agony, every time I checked my watch a mere minute had passed.

Now my wife is suffering from diarrhea today and I’m terrified I gave her some bug from work. However she is also quitting kratom cold turkey right now in anticipation of a surgery in two weeks. I really hope she didn’t get what I have because I’m not in any state to care for her or pour out buckets of puke right now.

I’m using the loperamide as hopefully a substitute for kratom myself right now. Been having random heavy nausea/minor puking from it in recent months anyhow so trying to quit. The tablets I got are only 2mg and don’t seem to do much other than stop the runs.

So yeah, I am in absolute misery. Which is sad because I was going to drink and party last night, as I just got a call from work sayin I had been pulled for a better paying and less arduous position at my job. So I should be happy but right now I wish I were dead I’m so damned sick feeling.

This is the worst.
 
Welp, not food poisoning. Must be some 24-48 hour bug as now my wife is puking and having the same symptoms and looks like she’s in more agony than I’ve seen her in years. I’m slowly feeling somewhat able to help but not great myself. I’m wishing I had some Etizolam made into solution right now so I could at least force myself to sleep but now it looks like I’ll spend the night trying to help her while hoping I’m over the stomach bug.

I think I got it from work. I’m now going to be far more obsessive about coworkers with children not touching or using my belongings; I’m normally uptight about people using my things but I had relaxed on that for a bit. Then I noticed many of my coworkers who had kids getting bugs a lot these past months and I didn’t think much of it, since I’m not around their kids.

But now it seems I’m getting stuff from coworkers and taking it home only to ruin days of our lives. Fuck.

We had a lot of plans this weekend to get ready for the bees arriving next Friday; my wife and her mom are going to start keeping bees and producing honey and we hadn’t finished up setting the hives up and clearing the space yet. I hope we can get it done by next Friday because the bees are coming one way or another…
 
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