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🌟🌟 Social 🌟🌟 PD Social Thread 2022-2025 v. Year of the Phenethylamine

Recently I've been introduced to DOC and I've rarely encountered a more "moreish" psychedelic. Does anybody else here have "moreish" psychedelics? For me it's mushrooms, DOC, 2C-B, and acid. Only LSD's tolerance gets in the way, but as a 23 year old derelict I would walk around Portland, Maine with pockets literally just filled to the brim with mushrooms eating them by the unweighed handful, and it was fucking awesome. Winter comes, depression hits and the (seemingly infinite) quarter oz. of 2C-B on my living room table has become the psychedelic cocaine of my weird little hippie commune. Nowadays I'm in a rural area, isolated, looking for another job, and DOB/DOC/2C-B/Allylescaline/N,N-DiPT have been the most interesting compounds I've worked with in the last few months.

Every month for the last 9 months or so I've been "gigadosing", where I'll take a dose high enough to cyclically knock me out into spiritual "visionary" style experiences, if that makes sense. It's been highly transformative and has been a unique way to interface with psychedelics, since I'm still using psychedelics at normal doses as frequently as tolerance will allow, as well.

Hoping to set up a cactus farm with 500-1,000 total plants by the end of 2025 where I am right now, it's the perfect climate for it. Going to focus on Trichocereus and Lophophora, but also work with a few of the "false peyotes" such as Ariocarpus, Mammillaria, and Ariocarpus cacti. Also hoping to get a lab set back up, but I've got to get on my feet again, and I'm looking at building a home out of shipping containers which has me feeling like I'm on my cryptic hippie arc for sure.

Tonight I've been experimentnig with intranasal administration of bromonordiazepam (aka desalkylgidazepam), and it has that initial wash of mucosal membrane benzodiazepine exposure (etizolam nasal sprayers, dropped straight on the gums/tongue as crystal, or as blotter) which feels like an unforced yet inevitable relaxation into the present moment, forgetting that time ever past or that the future is even coming in the first place. At first they were measured, but once I realized how weak it was, eyeballed bumps/lines of bromonordiazepam have bene on the insufflation tray tonight alongside the usual NEP, 3-HO-PCP, and Tizanidine that I sample here and there. This benzo is not water soluble, but I don't think etizolam is either and etizolam crystals dropped straight on my lips/gums/tongue have an immediate and dramatic effect. Last summer, somehow on the hottest day of the year (the hottest day of the year somehow I end up tripping every year it seems) I realized that my drugs that were in plastic baggies in a loose screw organizer for easy labeling, were being exposed to dangerously high amounts of humidity for many of the chemicals due to their forms (some freebase, some as salts, etc).

This led to me fervently packaging everything psychoactive that I owned into 4 half gallon mason jars, it was such a day. I woke up, my fiancee and I split a third sheet of acid that was just pure black blotter (we called it "default blotter"), each taking 13-14 tabs rolled up in a gel cap to make it easier to swallow. I installed a curtain rod, the (at the time boyfriend now fiancee) whipped up breakfast while we waited for the tabs to hit. Little was occurring, so we put 2.4mg of 25C-NBOMe on top of it, and began railing lines of CanKet/2-FXE and then the acid kicked in, and we realized we'd made the classic "oh this ain't shit" mistake. It was my fiancee's first time in anything even vaguely reminiscent of a k-hole, and the 2-FXE hole experience is very unique, highly emotional and manic. The day was fascinating, long, maybe 16-18 hours spent tripping as the acid burnt like a candle in our brains for quite a long time, the NBOMEs wearing off maybe 8 hours in, the CanKet flowing copiously as we just sweat our asses off despite 3 running air conditioners the whole day.

Sorry for the ranting here, I suppose that's what the social thread is for though, yeah?
 
Esperighanto said:
Hoping to set up a cactus farm with 500-1,000 total plants by the end of 2025 where I am right now, it's the perfect climate for it.
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I've had a fantasy of having a peyote farm for a long time. I love looking at pics of lophophora, grafts of loph on pereskiopsis and trichocereus. In my alternate reality fantasy land I'm a peaceful peyote farmer with a couple of green houses with rows and rows of buttons. They have to be some of the most beautiful cacti.

I discovered that in Thailand and Indonesia (and probably other parts of asia) there are some real cactus fanatics, and a lot of them grow peyote, I think mainly because it looks cool and not for eating. In indonesia - a country where you could spend years in jail (or worse) for possessing small amounts of weed, you can freely buy lophophora plants on their equivalent of amazon (tokopedia - check it out)
 
perpetualdawn said:
I've had a fantasy of having a peyote farm for a long time. I love looking at pics of lophophora, grafts of loph on pereskiopsis and trichocereus. In my alternate reality fantasy land I'm a peaceful peyote farmer with a couple of green houses with rows and rows of buttons. They have to be some of the most beautiful cacti.

I discovered that in Thailand and Indonesia (and probably other parts of asia) there are some real cactus fanatics, and a lot of them grow peyote, I think mainly because it looks cool and not for eating. In indonesia - a country where you could spend years in jail (or worse) for possessing small amounts of weed, you can freely buy lophophora plants on their equivalent of amazon (tokopedia - check it out)
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I keep my eye on the world of Trichocereus and Lophora growers for sure, the Asian farms are killing it. I'm trying to calculate how many Lophs I'd need to grow to make a small seed farm, and then how many I'd need and at what cycle of planting to grow a dose or two for my fiancee and I to use monthly. If it takes, hypothetically, ~25 3 year old buttons for 2 people (it took half that for me, and I'm far heavier than my fiancee) then 25 buttons that've been growing well for 3 years would be a single dose. If I can get 100 out a month, monthly, for 3 years and keep that habit up, that'd make enough to have fresh peyote every week, and if I kept the cycle up it would be like those who homegrow cannabis; start the next crop when your stash is still at least halfway full.

Realistically though I'm mostly interested in Lophophora fricii and diffusa for the fascinating tetrahydroisoquinolines, mescaline is significantly faster growing and easier to acquire via Trichocereus species, which are also simpler to grow and require less maintenance overall. 150-200 Cacti of good genetics could hold us down for weekly use there, whereas for Lophs I'd end up having ~3.5k separate plants to have an equivalent amount of doses.
 
Cream Gravy? said:
Made it through Dry January. Feels good to have been sober from booze for a whole month, first time in over a decade I’d say.

Definitely gonna get a six pack tonight to celebrate though heh 😁 thinking I’ll just stick to beer for a while when I do drink.
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Wow, that's awesome! I haven't been able to quit completely yet, but I've kept it to 3-6 beers a day since the new year. Over the holidays I was doing 12-15, so now I feel practically sober!

I'm actually going to try making Sunday the 16th be Day One again. I just want a few to get through band rehearsal tomorrow, then I have no major obligations for the rest of the week.
 
Looking for work. Just saw 90-95% of my coworkers laid off on Friday, so I reckon I've got six months, but am planning like I've got 4wks. But can't accomplish anything if I'm a ball of stress, so I took my friend's advice and had some 5-MeO-PiPT and some EPT tonight and chilled the fuck out for a few hours. It was sorely needed. Oh, and I went to see a play last night - a comedy. Really good!
 
I've been up to some exam preparations, but the last few days I've been slacking off a bit. Anticipation for doing drugs again once I've written my last exam. Will probably munch on a gel cap of 2C-B as soon as I'm out of the examination room in March, to spend the day at the botanical garden (if the weather is nice). Also, if you guys had to decide between going for 2C-T-2 or 2C-T-7 (especially for those who have sampled both), which one would you settle with first? Of course I'm planning to explore both, but have to start with one. I've been thinking about 2C-T-2, as while it seems to have a stronger bodyload than 2C-T-7 from what I have gathered, based on the reports of Stolaroff and of Hardison (Murple), vomitting is induced in fewer users and side effects seem to fade out. I don't anticipate doing big boy doses anyways, will probably start with something like 8 mg and having a supplement (~ 4 mg-ish) ready...
 
When they were first circulating widely, 2C-T-7 was everyone's beloved. These days around Bluelight, people tend to prefer 2C-T-2. That's true for me, although I have only had one experience with 2C-T-7.

How highly do you rate MDMA and other serotonin releasers? 2C-T-7 seems to get compared to them a lot in the sense that peeople describe it at lush, languid, and shallow. It reminded me of a psychedelic 5-MAPB. I also didn't want to push the dose on it, because I appear to be one of the guys that needs a lot of it to have a good experience, and that means lots of tedious oral titrations, given the long come-up and very high risks associated with faster feedback ROAs like intranasal. I had a good experience, but it was a lot of trouble to go through.

I adore 2C-T-2. It's like mescaline, but more grounded and less magical, with worse side effects and a shorter duration. I generally take it rectally, and unlike 2C-T-7, the come-up is instantaneous. Side effects are pretty minimal for me this way. High quality chelated magnesium helps with any muscle tension. I wish it was widely available, as it's one of my favorite psychedelics. The duration is pretty ideal for most purposes.
 
I'm a big fan of serotonin releasers. In fact so much that I take them way too often, despite the problems that causes. However, I haven't taken MDMA yet. Just BDB (very much love it!), MDA (love it, but more side effects), 4-FA (very much like it, but no magic) and mephedrone (like it, but too short and no magic). I think I induced some permanent tolerance by now, so I wouldn't know how successful experimentation with MDMA would be at this point. I hope to experience it some day, and maybe if I stay disciplined now, it will still have some of its magic to offer.

With the 2C-T-x, I'm not necessarily looking for entactogen effects, but I will admit, descriptions of the sulfur warmth do allure me. What I experienced on 2C-T(-1) during my first trial certainly had some of the magic I know from the benzodioxoles... However, I want to teach myself to stop looking for the next entactogen replacement in psychedelics. Ideally, I'd like to explore psychedelics for their introspective, psycholytic aspects (not in the sense of shattering my mind, rather subtle perspective changes, as brought on by the phenethylamines) and perhaps one day I can trust myself again to have that "once-in-a-blue-moon" relationship to real entactogens.

I think I pretty much settled on 2C-T-2 for the first compound now. It is in historical order, it is a shorter experience and it seems to have less serious complications (although fewer and probably a different set of people experimented with it). Is it closer to mescaline than 2C-B, in your opinion? What about in comparison to other scalines? I probably don't have the same set of sample compounds for comparison, having only tried proscaline (one meh time) and isoproscaline (glowing, but not as good as mescaline, want to experience it again someday).

Instead of titrating up 2C-T-2 at home, I'm considering taking the aforementioned low dose (8 mg + 4 mg booster if needed) out to a hike. Is that a bad idea? Not so much worried about not being to handle it (I don't expect to be extremely sensitive to the thios, although that could of course be wrong), rather about having diarrhea in the woods.
 
Wow, medical issues, job loss, you name it we are all experiencing it. I have a lot of catching up to do. But I have both of those. I myself am as healthy as I can be. People around me not so much. But I totally get it. I need to work too but at this point in time not sure how due to caretaking. I have always felt the universe has my back, but it is really testing my faith at the moment.

Going to skip the hearts and likes as there are too many to give out to you all. Thanks for the well wishes too. You all keep yourselves well.

Mushrooms - I have found if cracker dry can last a year or two. Some of the moister ones seem to lose potency quicker. I had some nice ones from the summer, cracker dry that did not lose anything 6 months later.
 
xdrc said:
Instead of titrating up 2C-T-2 at home, I'm considering taking the aforementioned low dose (8 mg + 4 mg booster if needed) out to a hike. Is that a bad idea?
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Oh that sounds lovely. It's a nice way to channel some of the energy. Nausea is usually lessened for me when I'm stationary, but once that passes you should be good.
xdrc said:
Is it closer to mescaline than 2C-B, in your opinion?
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For me? Vastly. I don't find 2C-B to be that similar to mescaline.
xdrc said:
What about in comparison to other scalines?
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Every common 'scaline that I've tried to date has been a pale imitation even if it's a worthwhile material. With the exception of methallylescaline. That one actually is really pretty darn comparable.
 
xdrc said:
I think I pretty much settled on 2C-T-2 for the first compound now. It is in historical order, it is a shorter experience and it seems to have less serious complications (although fewer and probably a different set of people experimented with it). Is it closer to mescaline than 2C-B, in your opinion? What about in comparison to other scalines? I probably don't have the same set of sample compounds for comparison, having only tried proscaline (one meh time) and isoproscaline (glowing, but not as good as mescaline, want to experience it again someday).

Instead of titrating up 2C-T-2 at home, I'm considering taking the aforementioned low dose (8 mg + 4 mg booster if needed) out to a hike. Is that a bad idea? Not so much worried about not being to handle it (I don't expect to be extremely sensitive to the thios, although that could of course be wrong), rather about having diarrhea in the woods.
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I think 2C-T-2 leans more toward being like 2C-B than like mescaline, but it's definitely its own thing. Like 2C-B, it provides a lot of tactile enhancement and has a significant entactogen-like positive push. Mentally it is very clear and lucid (unless overdosed), perhaps even more than 2C-B. Where it's more like mescaline is that it takes a full 3 hours to peak, and the come-up can be a bit challenging for the mind and body. I think 2C-T-2 also has a lot more of a mystical feel than 2C-B, but where mescaline's mysticism is terrestrially centered, 2C-T-2's feels much more celestial. I also find 2C-T-2 to be especially strong in the visual department, particularly with regard to geometry and form. On my first trip, I went walking on a warm summer day in a neighborhood with a lot of trees, and what I was seeing was a bit like an animated stained glass window composed of leaves and branches. The detail and contrast were simply breathtaking.

It's funny but I actually sat on my 2C-T-2 supply for years because I was too apprehensive to try it. For a time, both 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7 were available, and almost everyone seemed to prefer 2C-T-7 because it was apparently easier on the body. It seemed like way more people were using 2C-T-7. Then a few people died from taking 2C-T-7 within a short time of one another, and it was emergency scheduled. I was so sad I never got to try it and went ahead and got some 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-4 (!), but I feared the 2C-T-2 would be a harsh and risky experience, maybe like the 5-Meo-DiPT of phenethylamines. Then after some years, I wanted to try something new and didn't have anything else on hand. I then realized I had been sitting on one of the best and felt rather dumb for having waited as long as I did.

I'm not sure I'd try 2C-T-7 now if it were available to me. Since those deaths, plenty of people have taken 2C-T-2 without serious adverse effects, so I have some confidence in it. Based on how it feels, I'm still very wary about taking too much, but moderate doses feel pretty safe to me. I did actually try 2C-T-4 a few times but never at a high enough dose to get a full experience. If I could try 2C-T-4 again, I think I would, but I don't expect it to come to me again in this lifetime.

As for hiking, I did this on my third 2C-T-2 trip and was caught off guard by the urge to purge in both directions which was worse than it had been the first two times. Fortunately, these feelings didn't for linger too long, and I managed to keep everything in. I can't guarantee you will experience the same fortune. It may be best to be close to a toilet for your first trip just in case. Apart from that though, hiking is an excellent activity for 2C-T-2.
 
Well, nothing but mescaline is mescaline. It's just unfortunate that the dosages are so darn high for that compound! But I'd say that's a little bit part of what makes it so special. It is interesting that you note mescaline as "terrestrially mystic". I would have declared it as cosmical magic. 2C-B is for sure quite far away from mescaline's mysticism, but in my opinion it has a similar warmth and is a magic compound. Soul-magic?

If 2C-T-2 is in any way related to 2C-T, I hope that the nausea is bearable and short-lived. Dancing on 2C-T didn't seem to cause too much troubles with the nausea I experienced, it was only when I made the mistake of eating something that I wanted to puke. So far, I have yet to successfully purge on any phenethylamine. Hopefully it would not be on the trails, lol.

Thank you for the good descriptions @Pfafffed and @iom . Very much looking forward to work the magic and enjoy a treat.
 
All this is doing is making me want to take a little of my tiny remaining stash of 2C-T-2. I almost did this last weekend! I miss it. Lovely stuff. I know Xorkoth feels the same way about it that I do.
 
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