🌟🌟 Social 🌟🌟 PD Social Thread 2022-2025 v. Year of the Phenethylamine

[unodelacosa]

So I am thinking about tripping tomorrow. It'll be my 1st trip in over a year. I've been meaning to for the past 5 weeks or so but when my weekend rolls around, I chicken out. I've been dealing with a lot of anxiety attacks lately and that's part of why I've been putting it off. I'm afraid of having an anxiety attack while tripping.

I also broke 3 bones in my left hand about 5 weeks ago. It's healing up nicely, but one finger is still in a cast. I'm afraid that if I trip I'll become hyperfixated on my broken hand and will be tempted to take the cast off. Psychedelics always have amplified whatever discomfort I feel physically. Has anyone ever tripped with broken bones before? If so, how did it go?

I've tripped probably close to 100 times in my life, so I'm familiar with their effects. I don't know why I've built up so much anxiety around taking one this time around. The isolation caused by the pandemic has taken a toll on my mental health. I always feel better after a trip, so I know that it'll be worth any discomfort that I face during the experience.

I'm trying to decide what to take. I'm debating between; 2CB, 4-ACO-MET, 4-ACO-DMT or 4-HO-MIPT. My gut is telling me to go with a tryptamine. I feel like the 4-aco-met lacks headspace, so it may be less likely to trigger anxiety. 2CB might be a good choice because it's so gentle. My gut is telling me to choose 4-ACO-DMT or 4-HO-MIPT. I've only done each 2 or 3 times each. The 4-HO-MIPT may be a good choice due to it being more likely to go in a positive direction, but I worry about the stimulating body load. 4-ACO-DMT might be a good choice due to it not being as stimulating. Either way I will probably keep my dose to 16mg or under. I do have Mirtazapine which I've heard can be used to abort a trip.

I'm gonna take 900mg of Phenibut when I wake up. We'll see how I'm feeling once it kicks in. If i decide against it then I'll likely try 4-Me-tmp for the 3rd time to see if I can find any redeeming qualities.

Sorry for the long post. I wanted to type my thoughts out and maybe get some input in the process. I didn't want to post an unnecessary thread so I thought I'd try posting here

My take on it is: go with either 4-AcO-MET or 2C-B ingested orally. I’m with @Xorkoth and Idk how some people can snort 2C-B like it’s no biggie. That shit feels like snorting hot, ground-up glass and the pain doesn’t go away as the trip comes on hella fast. However, the RoA also brings about anxiogenesis as does freebasing/vaporizing 2C-B, so to me, it’s much better if ingested orally.

Also, they say the hydrobromide salt burns less than the hydrochloride, but for me the HBr hurt enough to avoid insufflating the HCl altogether.

Personally I love the drugs 4-HO-MET (“Colour”) and 4-AcO-MET (“Comet”) and find them to be a friendly headspace with a tendency toward “outrospection”, so to speak, instead of introspection like some psychedelics tend to bring out in me. Not that introspection is bad, but I have to be in the mood for it.

 

[simstim]

I was well pleased with my first 2cb experience.

I snorted 25mg which ended up being a fairly heavy trip that was great!

Before I did the 2c-b I had a big shot of meth and the combination with the 2c-b was like a nexus flip. I was so high that everything was vibrating from the meth then snorted the 2c-b.

Zoom! Then tripping balls real quick!

Right then my YouTube suggested some satanic Spanish trancey stuff that ended up being a hole that I went down for hours. I posted some above in case you wanted to hear some satanic edm.

2c-b nights lead to mdma days. I've had three x pills since the 2c-b and a little more meth snorted this time.

 

[simstim]

I really liked how clean 2C-B was compared to some of other 2C drugs that I have tried. I find that some of them have a terrible bodyload but I didn't encounter that at all with 2C-B. In fact it felt wonderful!!

 

[unodelacosa]

Interesting that they chose to do like 2 extra synthesis steps (only 6 in total) to make 4-PO-DMT instead of their intermediate, 4-HO-DMT

The shelf-life of 4-HO-DMT is piss poor owing to the oxidative state of that 4-hydroxyl group sticking out. Dr. David Nichols and his group at Purdue University years ago handled that issue by creating psilacetin or 4-AcO-DMT whereby the acetoxy group protects the oxygen atom there. Nature had handled this issue by creating a 4-phosphoryloxy group which protects the oxygen and was the inspiration for Nichols and his group's acetoxy idea.

Traditionally, psilocybin has been notoriously difficult to synthesize and with low-yields, e.g.: Hofmann's original synthetic route to 4-PO-DMT. However, thanks to fresh interest in Psilocybin by the pharmaceutical industry, recent advances have been made in the synthesis of psilocybin that greatly improve its previous low-yield issues as I understand it. Exciting stuff (to a nerd like yours truly anyway).

Regardless, it all quickly changes back into 4-HO-DMT in the body…

 

[unodelacosa]

I really liked how clean 2C-B was compared to some of other 2C drugs that I have tried. I find that some of them have a terrible bodyload but I didn't encounter that at all with 2C-B. In fact it felt wonderful!!

Hell yeah 2C-B is an entactogen. Also, next time you take it, try eating something – I love the fact that I don't lose my appetite on 2C-B. It's a psychedelic a person can actually eat while tripping on; in fact, food tastes amazing on 2C-B.

Couple questions for ya:

1. Did you have the .hcl salt or the .hbr? The hydrobromide is supposedly easier on the nasal mucosa than the hydrochloride, but when I snorted the HBr, it burned so fucking badly that it honestly kinda spoiled the trip for me in the beginning. And so,
2. The burn didn't bother you immensely?

EDIT: Also, 2C-B tolerance doesn't seem to impact LSD tolerance much, but not vice versa. In other words, if I take 2C-B and then later either that night or the next day I drop acid, the acid still hits like a champ. However, if I drop acid and then later try taking 2C-B, I don't get much from the 2C-B in that instance.

Oh and re: partying with doctors – doctors definitely party. They're just usually discreet about it because they don't want to lose their medical license should things go awry…

 

[Foreigner]

From "The Ketamine Papers" by Dr. Wolfson:

“Foreigner” posted on the Bluelight online ketamine forum (2013) on his use of repeated hourly intramuscular injections of ketamine over seven days to treat his depression. He began with 10mg and aimed for a dose causing a feeling of mild inebriation. He maintained this dose to a “saturation point” (usually by the third day), where this effect disappeared, then gradually lengthened the time between injections. Heand others reported positive effects from this regime.

Neato.

The only thing I wish is that Jamshyd got referenced too... but I know he would be happy that the protocol made it somewhere official.

 

[simstim]

Hell yeah 2C-B is an entactogen. Also, next time you take it, try eating something – I love the fact that I don't lose my appetite on 2C-B. It's a psychedelic a person can actually eat while tripping on; in fact, food tastes amazing on 2C-B.

Couple questions for ya:

1. Did you have the .hcl salt or the .hbr? The hydrobromide is supposedly easier on the nasal mucosa than the hydrochloride, but when I snorted the HBr, it burned so fucking badly that it honestly kinda spoiled the trip for me in the beginning. And so,
2. The burn didn't bother you immensely?

EDIT: Also, 2C-B tolerance doesn't seem to impact LSD tolerance much, but not vice versa. In other words, if I take 2C-B and then later either that night or the next day I drop acid, the acid still hits like a champ. However, if I drop acid and then later try taking 2C-B, I don't get much from the 2C-B in that instance.

Oh and re: partying with doctors – doctors definitely party. They're just usually discreet about it because they don't want to lose their medical license should things go awry…

I'm not sure which salt it was. I didn't ask the 2C-B fairy when they gifted it to me. I will ask if he knows.

Yes it burned in my sinus. It burned so bad I had to lay down on the bed then quickly I was typing so good that I didn't much care.

It's still irritated for sure.

 

[Buzz Lightbeer]

Interestingly, both 2C-I and 2C-D were quite easy on my nose

 

[Deleted member 521610]

Life is a trip. After going through such a dark cycle suddenly things are going my way again. such a turn around that i am mind blown. Within two weeks everything is changing so much. out of the blue aswell.

 

[Xorkoth]

Interestingly, both 2C-I and 2C-D were quite easy on my nose

Hmm, not for me. it's been a long time but I remember 2C-D hurting bad, and I am pretty sure the first 2C-X I snorted was 2C-I and I was absolutely in disbelief by how horribly it hurt. I wrote about it in one of my old TRs.

 

[SuperPsych]

I'd probably go with 4-HO-MiPT then, since your gut is telling you to do a tryptamine, and 4-HO-MiPT has the quality of being being both euphoric and healing. At least for me. I find it to be very good-natured, full of humor, and it's often somewhat entactogenic/empathogenic in effects, but still has a good headspace. I would either do that or 2C-B, which, the more times I've done it, has become more and more psychedelic and introspective.

I appreciate the response! I had forgotten that today I have obligations, so I wouldn't be able to get started until 7pm at the earliest. So I'm trying to decide whether to go for it tonight or if I should hold off until I can get an earlier start.

There is a reason that I am leaning towards tryptamines. I used to trip fairly often, like once every 1-2 months and I always enjoyed it. I always have found psychedelics fascinating and recently found my interest in them rekindled. However, in the last 2 years I have been experiencing really intense anxiety in my daily life, and that has made me avoid psychedelics for the last 2 years. I am hoping to experience a sense of awe. I'm hoping for an experience that will make me go "Oh yeah, this is why I started using psychedelics in the first place". I want to be able to work through this anxiety that I've built up over using psychedelics so that I can feel more comfortable taking them again.

2CB is one of my favorites and it's good for introspection about one's self, but its only ever given me a sense of awe in high doses, and I'm not ready for a high dose trip quite yet. Tryptamines almost always provide me with a sense of awe no matter the dose.

 

[SuperPsych]

My take on it is: go with either 4-AcO-MET or 2C-B ingested orally. I’m with @Xorkoth and Idk how some people can snort 2C-B like it’s no biggie. That shit feels like snorting hot, ground-up glass and the pain doesn’t go away as the trip comes on hella fast. However, the RoA also brings about anxiogenesis as does freebasing/vaporizing 2C-B, so to me, it’s much better if ingested orally.

Also, they say the hydrobromide salt burns less than the hydrochloride, but for me the HBr hurt enough to avoid insufflating the HCl altogether.

Personally I love the drugs 4-HO-MET (“Colour”) and 4-AcO-MET (“Comet”) and find them to be a friendly headspace with a tendency toward “outrospection”, so to speak, instead of introspection like some psychedelics tend to bring out in me. Not that introspection is bad, but I have to be in the mood for it.

Yeah I've snorted 2Cx a few times and it's never worth it. The pain is intense and it is definitely anxiety inducing.

I had sort of written off 4-ACO-MET. I only have tried it once, but I found the headspace to be lacking although the visuals were something else. You have me reconsidering it however. The short duration might be nice since I will be getting a fairly late start. I am torn between 4-ACO-MET and 4-HO-MIPT

Apologies about the double post. I couldn't figure out how to get the multi-quotes to work

 

[unodelacosa]

I am torn between 4-ACO-MET and 4-HO-MIPT

Miprocin is also a great drug. Shulgin really gushed about it in TiHKAL. You really can't go wrong given your choices. What did you go with in the end?

Apologies about the double post. I couldn't figure out how to get the multi-quotes to work

I don't think multi-quotes work on tablets and phones and shit like that. Xenforo was built for desktop browsers, after all…

 

[simstim]

Miprocin is also a great drug. Shulgin really gushed about it in TiHKAL. You really can't go wrong given your choices. What did you go with in the end?


I don't think multi-quotes work on tablets and phones and shit like that. Xenforo was built for desktop browsers, after all…

Multi quotes should work on mobile firefox and Chrome for phones and tablets. I dunno about other browsers.

I use a feature in Firefox beta to trick the server into thinking that I use Chrome so that all of the text formatting tools and emojis work properly on my phone, too.

 

[porkstock]

So I am thinking about tripping tomorrow. It'll be my 1st trip in over a year. I've been meaning to for the past 5 weeks or so but when my weekend rolls around, I chicken out. I've been dealing with a lot of anxiety attacks lately and that's part of why I've been putting it off. I'm afraid of having an anxiety attack while tripping.

I also broke 3 bones in my left hand about 5 weeks ago. It's healing up nicely, but one finger is still in a cast. I'm afraid that if I trip I'll become hyperfixated on my broken hand and will be tempted to take the cast off. Psychedelics always have amplified whatever discomfort I feel physically. Has anyone ever tripped with broken bones before? If so, how did it go?

I've tripped probably close to 100 times in my life, so I'm familiar with their effects. I don't know why I've built up so much anxiety around taking one this time around. The isolation caused by the pandemic has taken a toll on my mental health. I always feel better after a trip, so I know that it'll be worth any discomfort that I face during the experience.

I'm trying to decide what to take. I'm debating between; 2CB, 4-ACO-MET, 4-ACO-DMT or 4-HO-MIPT. My gut is telling me to go with a tryptamine. I feel like the 4-aco-met lacks headspace, so it may be less likely to trigger anxiety. 2CB might be a good choice because it's so gentle. My gut is telling me to choose 4-ACO-DMT or 4-HO-MIPT. I've only done each 2 or 3 times each. The 4-HO-MIPT may be a good choice due to it being more likely to go in a positive direction, but I worry about the stimulating body load. 4-ACO-DMT might be a good choice due to it not being as stimulating. Either way I will probably keep my dose to 16mg or under.

I have tripped with a broken hand, in a cast. We went camping and took LSD. I was pretty comfortable with the camping location and with my brother who I trust, so I decided to go for it. I was worried about being focused on the pain but it wasn't any worse than while sober with a broken hand. If anything, it took my mind off it, but like you, it was almost healed by then too.

Personally, I'd go with miprocin. Thats the only psychedelic other than LSD that I've taken in years. I might suggest a more medium to strong dose level - whatever that is for you if you've tested the material enough. Lower doses of 4-ho-mipt (14-16mg for me) have sometimes allowed me to have some anxiety, but if I push the dose much higher than 20 mg, I think that's a little too much physically - I get a headache or pressure in my head.

That said, I have had some beautiful trips on miprocin. It's usually a lighthearted or mostly recreational trip for me. I have had some deeper moments on it, but 4-aco-dmt usually thought to be deeper.

Did you already choose?

The shelf-life of 4-HO-DMT is piss poor owing to the oxidative state of that 4-hydroxyl group sticking out. Dr. David Nichols and his group at Purdue University years ago handled that issue by creating psilacetin or 4-AcO-DMT whereby the acetoxy group protects the oxygen atom there. Nature had handled this issue by creating a 4-phosphoryloxy group which protects the oxygen and was the inspiration for Nichols and his group's acetoxy idea.

Traditionally, psilocybin has been notoriously difficult to synthesize and with low-yields, e.g.: Hofmann's original synthetic route to 4-PO-DMT. However, thanks to fresh interest in Psilocybin by the pharmaceutical industry, recent advances have been made in the synthesis of psilocybin that greatly improve its previous low-yield issues as I understand it. Exciting stuff (to a nerd like yours truly anyway).

Regardless, it all quickly changes back into 4-HO-DMT in the body…

Awesome, thanks for the insight. Their patented synthesis is only 6 steps to get to psilocybin. 4 maybe to get psilocin. Nichols is actually on the patent. I used to dream about trying to get a postdoc position in his lab. My work in biochemistry and yeast genetics was slightly tangential to actual chemistry and 5-HT receptors though.

 

[SuperPsych]

Miprocin is also a great drug. Shulgin really gushed about it in TiHKAL. You really can't go wrong given your choices. What did you go with in the end?


I don't think multi-quotes work on tablets and phones and shit like that. Xenforo was built for desktop browsers, after all…

I'm still deciding. Torn now between 2CB and 4-HO-MIPT. 2CB is the psychedelic that I have the most experience with, but it has a long come up and longer peak than 4-HO-MIPT. It's already almost 8pm where I am so duration is something to consider.

Multi quotes should work on mobile firefox and Chrome for phones and tablets. I dunno about other browsers.

I use a feature in Firefox beta to trick the server into thinking that I use Chrome so that all of the text formatting tools and emojis work properly on my phone, too.

I tried on the Chrome app on my Android and it wasn't working how I had hoped. Now on my Desktop and the multi-quotes are working much better!

I have tripped with a broken hand, in a cast. We went camping and took LSD. I was pretty comfortable with the camping location and with my brother who I trust, so I decided to go for it. I was worried about being focused on the pain but it wasn't any worse than while sober with a broken hand. If anything, it took my mind off it, but like you, it was almost healed by then too.

Personally, I'd go with miprocin. Thats the only psychedelic other than LSD that I've taken in years. I might suggest a more medium to strong dose level - whatever that is for you if you've tested the material enough. Lower doses of 4-ho-mipt (14-16mg for me) have sometimes allowed me to have some anxiety, but if I push the dose much higher than 20 mg, I think that's a little too much physically - I get a headache or pressure in my head.

That said, I have had some beautiful trips on miprocin. It's usually a lighthearted or mostly recreational trip for me. I have had some deeper moments on it, but 4-aco-dmt usually thought to be deeper.

Did you already choose?


Awesome, thanks for the insight. Their patented synthesis is only 6 steps to get to psilocybin. 4 maybe to get psilocin

Hey Porkstock! It's great to see you!

I have only tried miprocin 3 times I think. The 1st time was years ago and I don't remember the dosage. The 2nd time was in these pills that were pressed with MDMA (they were AMAZING lol). The 3rd time was actually one of my more recent trips (still 2 years or more back). With this most recent one, my friend and I each dosed around 17mg and it turned out to be a bit more intense than I had hoped. It was overall a good trip with a lot of good parts, but there were also lots of serious parts mixed in where I did a whole lot of crying.

I completely get what you're saying. A lot of the time I find lower dosed psychedelics to be more uncomfortable than medium-high dosed psychedelics. I think thats due to more of the ego remaining intact so there's more anxiety from fighting against the effects. I was thinking of doing 12mg of miprocin, but I trust your insight and I may bump it up to 15-16mg.

I'm still not completely decided. I'm trying to decide between 15-16mg of Miprocin or 20mg-25mg of 2CB. I'm going to meditate and then try to decide. Going to walk up to the store for some fresh fruit and ice cream and other good tripping foods. I will dose probably around when I'm ringing up my groceries.

I will have Mirtazapine with me in the small chance that I need to abort.

 

[porkstock]

Oooh it's tonight! Happy tripping and good to see you too! I haven't tripped in 7 months or so - I also seem to have developed some pandemic related anxiety, and some other issues surrounding a mild brain injury that had kelt me away from tripping for a longer while before 3 trips back in the end of last year. Feeling drawn to it again, probably because I've been back around bluelight lol

 

[SuperPsych]

Oooh it's tonight! Happy tripping and good to see you too! I haven't tripped in 7 months or so - I also seem to have developed some pandemic related anxiety, and some other issues surrounding a mild brain injury that had kelt me away from tripping for a longer while before 3 trips back in the end of last year. Feeling drawn to it again, probably because I've been back around bluelight lol

I completely understand! The reason I haven't in over a year is due to pandemic related anxiety and overall poor mental health. I'm hoping that this experience helps me address some of the anxiety that I've been facing. I've been having multiple anxiety attacks every day and it's becoming unbearable. I also just recently got back on Bluelight after quite a bit of time away, that as well as a BLers blog with a bunch of great TR's reignited my passion and desire to experience the psychedelic realm. My anxiety has kept me away from them for far too long.

I wish you all the best! Life is a long learning process. I hope that the anxiety becomes easier for you to cope with, and that your brain injury doesn't cause too many long-term effects. I've had a handful of concussions and I completely understand the anxiety that a brain injury can cause and the uncertainty that one feels about the future because of it.

I greatly appreciate your advice! I'm weighing out 15mg of miprocin now. May also weigh some 2CB in case I have a last minute change of heart while I'm out

 

[simstim]

@SuperPsych have a great trip whichever you choose.

I'd like to try miprocin sometime. I haven't gotten around to that yet.

 

[SuperPsych]

@SuperPsych have a great trip whichever you choose.

I'd like to try miprocin sometime. I haven't gotten around to that yet.

Thank you! I've got 15mg of miprocin weighed out. It's time for a new scale, it actually jumped between 14 and 18mg, but it landed on 15mg. I also got 22mg of 2cb weighed out in case I change my mind.

I've only tried it 3 times, but miprocin has been great every time. One time it was mixed with MDMA, and the feeling I got as the miprocin and MDMA hit my brain is probably some of the best I have ever felt in my whole life. I gotta try it again sometime.

Gonna head to the store now and will dose as I'm at the self-checkout. It's a 2 mile walk back home so I should be coming up nicely by the time I'm home. I'm hoping that the walk helps ease the body load going into the trip.

I'll let you all know how it goes!