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Congrats on stopping phenibut, I didn't know about that! :)
Will join you with my pregabalin taper but that's gonna be taking 9 months.. I'd like to be off it for at least a year for similar reasons i.e. not wanting to be dependent on medication like that with unacceptable aspects to it (coming down that hard on my dexamph script is nowhere near in sight yet tho).

Got a packet of kratom here for the molar extraction pain which I expected to be worse.. but I don't expect to continue with that when I run out, i was fine with that last time which was a while ago. It's good to be off alcohol too.

Sorry to hear about those bouts of anxiety or annoyance, I definitely know what you mean and it does seem like I might have that problem at baseline now or pregabalin might have a PAWS of itself i wasn't aware of.

Yeah i keep a benzo too now and then, but really keep an eye on those guidelines for keeping it responsible and sporadic.
 
Yeah I'm hoping there's not a lengthy PAWS period with phenibut, I mean I have been taking it regularly at varying intervals for over 2 years straight now. Or, well not now, but until a week ago. But hey, you get off opiates and something like this is easy. :)
 
I find pregabalin has a really odd rebound effect. Slight unease but a distinct irritation or mild disgust with things. My thoughts sort of annoy me. If that makes sense.

Though I've been going through some weird and intense anxiety/adrenaline rush thing recently, like a sudden shot of really focused body awareness, even that cold chill, neck tingling sense of awe you get when you hear a powerful piece of music. Just for no reason. Having quite dilated pupils too, i feel like some primitive part of my nervous system.is lit up. Odd muscle spasms also. Vision is blurry. Almost reminds me of the first few weeks of on a SSRI. I wonder if pregabalin is to blame.
 
I just got my first order of phenibut in today (along with some piracetam) =D. I'm going to watch myself carefully with it, though. It's primarily to use as a low-dose (200-500mg) sup in combination with another sleep aid to hopefully help my wife's insomnia on nights she really needs it, but I imagine we'll dip our toes in for the occasional social lubricant, especially since we've both nixed alcohol. (Man, justifying cutting down/teetotaling to people in Japan is frustrating. We had a farewell party of sorts to celebrate the end of my wife's current work contract and we ordered waters with our meals; the Japanese people would not stop trying to pressure us into drinking with them. "Oh, but in Japanese work society, drinking parties are part of the culture!" That's great, no one's telling you not to drink on a week night, but some of us have work in the morning! :X) It's interesting, that irritation you describe sounds just like when I cut beer out of my diet. I wasn't even a daily drinker (though probably most days) so it took me a while to figure out what it was that caused it, but I'm pretty sure it was some form of alcohol withdrawal. It's great to hear your gf is so understanding, Xork. Gotta get off those death sticks, though, man! This is probably gonna sound trite, but have you tried vaping? I know a few guys who quit that way.
 
My girl's mom is flying in today from Hawaii to visit. I don't think she has ever visited her here before, and my girl can hardly ever go to Hawaii, so she rarely sees her. And I've never met her at all, so I'm pretty nervous/excited. Apparently she and her mom are a lot alike so I'm sure we'll get along great. :) I'll probably go over to my girl's house and meet her mom Wednesday or Thursday, and then Friday we're going camping, not sure if it's for 1 or 2 nights. Apparently it's supposed to be hot and mostly sunny, which is awesome because we're going camping at pretty much my favorite place in the world, which is a relatively high elevation mountain river. I always hope for it to be 90 degrees and sunny when I'm there because there are awesome waterfall swimming holes all over the place, but the water is really cold. When the sun's out it's a lot better to swim. :)

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I just got my first order of phenibut in today (along with some piracetam) =D. I'm going to watch myself carefully with it, though. It's primarily to use as a low-dose (200-500mg) sup in combination with another sleep aid to hopefully help my wife's insomnia on nights she really needs it, but I imagine we'll dip our toes in for the occasional social lubricant, especially since we've both nixed alcohol. (Man, justifying cutting down/teetotaling to people in Japan is frustrating. We had a farewell party of sorts to celebrate the end of my wife's current work contract and we ordered waters with our meals; the Japanese people would not stop trying to pressure us into drinking with them. "Oh, but in Japanese work society, drinking parties are part of the culture!" That's great, no one's telling you not to drink on a week night, but some of us have work in the morning! :X) It's interesting, that irritation you describe sounds just like when I cut beer out of my diet. I wasn't even a daily drinker (though probably most days) so it took me a while to figure out what it was that caused it, but I'm pretty sure it was some form of alcohol withdrawal. It's great to hear your gf is so understanding, Xork. Gotta get off those death sticks, though, man! This is probably gonna sound trite, but have you tried vaping? I know a few guys who quit that way.
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Yeah I actually smoked for 2 years from age 17 to 18, and then stopped because I didn't like it anymore and my girlfriend at the time didn't either. Didn't use any tobacco except a very occasional smoke at a party when drinking until I was 30, and I was trying to get off opiates. I actually started vaping so I would have something to do and get a little buzz from during cravings. Ironically it didn't work at all. :\ After a year and a half probably of vaping, I stopped, because I was feeling really weird lung stuff, and with the vape I was just doing it all the time, it was crazy. I started bumming cigarettes from my friend on band days, and eventually I felt like an asshole and bought some.

Nicotine is the weirdest drug ever because I don't even like the effects, and I'm not physically addicted (and never have been), and I don't smoke every day (but most days, same with alcohol), but regardless of that I still find it really compulsive. It's so stupid. I have no idea why it's so psychologically addicting for me, it doesn't really do anything for me other than to provide a sort of moment of focus or a break or something. It creeps me out actually. I just don't get it. I could quit today and it wouldn't disrupt my life or do anything but be annoying because of strong cravings for this thing I don't like, but end up doing anyway eventually. The biggest culprit is band practice and shows, I get really worked up when I'm playing, especially if it's going really well, and when we take breaks I find myself pacing and I find it difficult to converse and a cigarette helps me focus and chill out a bit. I'm not saying I need tobacco for that in those moments, but those moments definitely are when I usually end up smoking again when I decide to stop.
 
But anyway, piracetam is good, I take it on work days, the effect is subtle but you definitely can notice it, I first used it 12 years ago and I remember wondering if it was placebo, but it's more than that. It kind of clears up the mental clutter and makes me feel sharper. It's noticeably easier to multitask at work and go from one thing to another and back to the other without mental struggle. As for phenibut, it's a great drug, really. I also first used it 12 years ago (holy shit that's crazy, I've been using it for most of that time at varying levels of use), and eventually a number of my friends started using it too. A member of my friend's band always sidles up to me to ask if I happen to have any phenibut that he could have a dose of. I find it subtle at low doses, but at a full dose it's this sort of coursing euphoric confidence, really incredible social lubricant. Makes me really inspired and all the musicians I know in person agree that it's amazing for playing music. It has a really nice body high too, although if you do too much the body feeling gets really unpleasant. It's kind of nootropic but in the same way that amphetamine is. It's very different from amphetamine though. It takes a few hours to really kick in and then lasts all day and even into the next day. I find that if I take too much I become overwhelmingly drowsy, but at the right dose I find I am energetic, although it's because I feel excited, not because of some sort of stimulant action. But, I can fall asleep really easily if I try also.

So, that's why I was using it for so long. I still want to use it in the future, but just for special occasions instead of every 2 or 3 days (also did every day for a year). I'm actually really surprised it's been so easy to stop, it was simply a decision and I'm sticking to it. I really don't find it compulsive, there have been days where I was feeling really off or whatever and I needed to be social so I took phenibut despite knowing I was slipping an extra one in the schedule of me taking it (I originally set a schedule so I wouldn't take it too much, which turned out to be too much anyway), but it was a measured decision. Right now I wish that I could take it because I'm hung over and just in general it always makes my day better regardless of how good it is already, but I am not feeling cravings, the tub is right next to me in my desk drawer, but I'm not gonna take any, and it's not a struggle to not do so.

So yeah, you'll probably really like it, just try to keep it to special occasions or like once a week. In recent years after an extended break, I started taking it every 3 days and it seemed sustainable. I'm not sure if it was or not, during the time when I was taking it every 3 days, I sometimes didn't take it for a bit and I never noticed anything, but I'd say in 6 months maybe I started doing every other day, and after a while that definitely caused dependency, also I was doing it for maybe 2 years. I worked down to every 3 days for quite a while, but I would always start feeling the withdrawal in the half day before my next dose. Eventually that became pretty light so I jumped down to every 4 days, and I still felt the withdrawal hit at the same point... weirdly, the next day (the day I normally would have taken it at the every 3 days rate) was actually better. Because of that, after a few times at every 4 days I jumped off entirely and it hasn't been bad at all, but I did taper for a long time.
 
swilow said:
I find pregabalin has a really odd rebound effect. Slight unease but a distinct irritation or mild disgust with things. My thoughts sort of annoy me. If that makes sense.

Though I've been going through some weird and intense anxiety/adrenaline rush thing recently, like a sudden shot of really focused body awareness, even that cold chill, neck tingling sense of awe you get when you hear a powerful piece of music. Just for no reason. Having quite dilated pupils too, i feel like some primitive part of my nervous system.is lit up. Odd muscle spasms also. Vision is blurry. Almost reminds me of the first few weeks of on a SSRI. I wonder if pregabalin is to blame.
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sounds like spontaneous kundalini activation.

kundalini awakenings are IMO a bit of a mythological description of an actual physical phenomena, but it is a better description of the state than western science has come up with.
 
How many of you ever dream a realistic full length trip? It's only happened to me twice but the second time was quite recent. It begins with ingesting the substance (first dream was a blotter on the tongue, this one was foul tasting plant material (peyote?), including nausea, and then the anticipatory wait. Then coming up and boom! I'm there in the beautiful geometry one minute and the place where everything from a glass of water to parked cars breathe and are conscious and demand a whole new level of consideration the next. The dream goes on for what feels like the whole night but probably is no longer than any other dream and ends with coming down and affectionately but futilely trying to hold on to the fading visuals. I'll say this for it: it's certainly cheap, 100% safe and 100% legal. If only dreams could be ordered at will.=D The fact that I have only ever had two of these in my pretty long life makes me think that this is uncommon but maybe other psychonauts have them frequently?
 
I feel really good right now, which is weird because I woke up quite hung over. I took some piracetam and smoked 2 hits of weed, and had about 100mg of caffeine. I am feeling in pretty top form right now, we had a monthly teleconference meeting at work a bit ago in which the CEO was highlighting how much and how quickly we need to improve our efficiency, and I had a bunch of ideas and talked to my boss about them and we're going to be moving forward with a variety of ideas. I feel sharper than I have in a while. I'm kinda thinking maybe the phenibut withdrawal is over already. Hope so!

herby said:
How many of you ever dream a realistic full length trip? It's only happened to me twice but the second time was quite recent. It begins with ingesting the substance (first dream was a blotter on the tongue, this one was foul tasting plant material (peyote?), including nausea, and then the anticipatory wait. Then coming up and boom! I'm there in the beautiful geometry one minute and the place where everything from a glass of water to parked cars breathe and are conscious and demand a whole new level of consideration the next. The dream goes on for what feels like the whole night but probably is no longer than any other dream and ends with coming down and affectionately but futilely trying to hold on to the fading visuals. I'll say this for it: it's certainly cheap, 100% safe and 100% legal. If only dreams could be ordered at will. The fact that I have only ever had two of these in my pretty long life makes me think that this is uncommon but maybe other psychonauts have them frequently?
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I've never had a real trip in a dream, I sometimes will take something and feel something but it doesn't actually go there. Wait, actually I did one time, when I did my follow-up dose of ibogaine. In the dream I was going to this sort of carnival on another planet which was where I lived. At the carnival there was someone selling giant bong rips of smokeable ibogaine. I remember so clearly how it looked and tasted, and after I smoked it, I'd feel the feeling of ibogaine washing over me (of course I was actually on it at the time but it didn't feel like it during the dream), and I'd disembody and enter this building with no doors or windows through the wall, and crazy dimensional shit would happen in there, basically really intense sensory/visual/conceptual experiences. That night whenever I'd open my eyes, say, to go to the bathroom, whenever I'd close them again I'd end up waking up in a dormitory-style building on the same planet in the same place, and the carnival would be going on still and I'd head to that ibogaine vendor and go on some other journey.

Damn my ibogaine experience was so cool. :) The follow-up dose was actually one of the most enjoyable drug experiences I've had. But the thing about it is, for me it seemed to work primarily by facilitating a visionary state that was identical or virtually identical to dreaming, but more lucid (but during the big flood dose I would have no awareness that I was dreaming). Ever since my experience I have had much more vivid and complete dreams, and one thing I also notice is that these days I almost always keep going back to the same dream when I wake up briefly and fall back to sleep.
 
pharmakos said:
sounds like spontaneous kundalini activation.

kundalini awakenings are IMO a bit of a mythological description of an actual physical phenomena, but it is a better description of the state than western science has come up with.
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Interesting. I had the same first thought when I read swilow's comment, then scrolled down and saw this.
 
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Hmm, interesting thoughts. Whatever it is, its bothering the fuck outta me.

Could I use it as an excuse to take a day off work?

How do I put it back to sleep? :D
 
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How do I put it back to sleep? :D
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As I understand it, once it's been "awakened" it can't be put back to sleep, you have to learn to channel it constructively, usually through yoga and/or meditation. I've personally never experienced it so I can't give any concrete advice, but perhaps one of our more esoteric-minded members can chime in?

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Is this phenibut shit legit? So it's basically getting tipsy/drunk without all the impairment?
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Yup, still totally white-market legal, it's sold as a nootropic like the racetams. Your description sounds fairly accurate. At lower doses it's a subtle mood-lifter and anxiolytic, at higher doses it has many of the positive effects of being drunk without many of the negatives (although some people reportedly do get head/joint aches and blurry vision; YMMV). For me it feels like a combination of 1-2 beers and a good head high without the fogginess or disorientation of either. I've only gone up to 2g so far and I don't think I'll push it much further, as it seems higher than that is where the negative side effects set in for most people.
 
Ask many a terrorized snake charmer I guess :)

There are plenty of drugs which feel without downside if you watch the dosage and the frequency of usage but this may give such an impression of being able to get away with it that ironically it can contribute to dependency issues later on in your 'career' with it. Phenibut isn't an exception and you should be wary of it.
 
Yeah fully legal and cheap. In the US anyway, in Russia it's a prescription medication... one thing they prescribe it for it PTSD.

IMO it has similarities to alcohol, but it's not intoxicating really unless you take too much. It's rather subtle but also powerful. To me the right dose makes it feel like I'm just having the best day and I want to talk to everyone, and shit makes me feel excited easily. It's a bit hypomanic. But it takes 3-4 hours for that to kick in. Don't treat it like alcohol, because it lasts a long time and I've had cases where I didn't start to feel shitty from taking too much until like 8 hours into it. So you gotta pick a dose and stick with it, or you can take the total dose in 2-3 doses separated by an hour or so, which I prefer.

Be careful because it's addictive physically and mentally. You should read my phenibut usage guide I wrote before you use it, it describes how to find your dose and a lot of other stuff.
 
I know some people like to mix their psychedelics with Phenibut. What for ? Does it enhance the trip in any way ? Smoother come-up? From my complete ingnorance I would think it would dull the trip a bit, kind of like a benzo would do.

Thoughts on that?
 
First to answer Kneel's questions, don't go thinking Phenibut is anywhere near as strong as benzos, alcohol, GHB, or the like. It's as Xorkoth said, rather subtle. The best day ever thing is totally right though, albeit not guaranteed or forceful. It simply happens when the time is right. Your favorite song comes on while you're cleaning the house, you've started dancing, and next thing you know you just feel like everything is perfect in a way, totally content. Very different from the content-ness and perfection feelings of other drugs, but there. It's fun.

In regards to mixing with psychedelics, I don't find it to dull the trip whatsoever. In fact, I don't find it to dull anything in any way unlike most other GABA-ergics. When mixed with MDMA or psychedelics or dissociatives it just adds an element of peace, joy, happiness, content-ness, etc. I'm not sure. I couldn't quite describe it. It's just there. Like if you'd been meditating every day for the past two weeks. You can tell you've been doing so and it's making such a difference. But yet, it's still so subtle.


This morning I had a crazy-fantasti-maniacal morning of stress, worry, and wonkiness after "microdosing" 4-6mg O-PCE for anti-depressant and motivational purposes. I'd been off the piracetam for a few days, done 7-10mg of O-PCE last night 14-16 hours prior, and just wanted to have a great day, when next thing I knew, my head was expanding like a balloon at a Dead show. It'd been no more than five minutes from orally dosing the 5mg when I felt too dissociated to do my very easy work that was required of me for the next hour and was forced into a panic mode, realizing that I'd somehow overdosed a dissociative before working, and lunged for the piracetam and noopept to hopefully cool things down by the time I got to where I needed to be - in the physical world for work, that is. I ended up having an incredibly confusing and stressful hour which thankfully lightened up around the 60-75 minutes mark, but Jesus H Christ, I was scared there for a moment. Waking up feeling amazing from the O-PCE afterglow, content in my finally having the chemical I've desired to microdose for weeks, and then WHAM! Ten minutes later being as high as you were the night before on what you thought was going to be a microdose, and even more, how the HELL did it kick in that quick? Blasts from the past, wailings of failures and guilts, and all multitudes of things running around my now expanded balloon all the while my body running around trying to dose the nootropics, grab a banana, and get the hell on my way! (I've been reading a lot of Kerouac) All is well but my lesson has been learned. It's time to do more reading on O-PCE. I fear I may be dreadfully uninformed of it's true nature and dosage protocols. If anyone has experience using O-PCE for anti-depressant / any kind of low dosing reasons, please feel free to share your experiences and findings.
 
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Img_9999 said:
I know some people like to mix their psychedelics with Phenibut. What for ? Does it enhance the trip in any way ? Smoother come-up? From my complete ingnorance I would think it would dull the trip a bit, kind of like a benzo would do.

Thoughts on that?
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Phenibut doesn't dull trips at all, nor is it really anything like a benzo at all. I find that it lies there underneath any other drugs you're taking, including psychedelics, imparting its subtle niceness to whatever else is happening. It tends to bring out euphoria and positive feelings, so with trips, it will cause them to be more euphoric and less difficult, generally. Phenibut kind of makes everything feel easier due to producing confidence and a sort of relaxed flowy state. It doesn't potentiate psychedelics or dull them; it simply alters your baseline propensity towards positive emotions.
 
psy997 said:
First to answer Kneel's questions, don't go thinking Phenibut is anywhere near as strong as benzos, alcohol, GHB, or the like. It's as Xorkoth said, rather subtle. The best day ever thing is totally right though, albeit not guaranteed or forceful.
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Whilst everything you said is true, it is also worth remembering that higher doses are certainly more in the realm of straight up drug than nootropic, although not particularly enjoyable. The first time I took it I took a pretty high dose (1g~?), because I wanted to know for certain that it worked. It was kind of like a dirty GHB/GBL type high. I really didn't enjoy it, though I could imagine some people would.

At nootropic doses it makes me very horny, confident and chatty. Benzos do that to me (minus the horny part), but with phenibut you retain your cognitive ability, and probably exceed it, without all the blacking out/acting weird/etc.

This settles it, I'm getting more this week. Been putting it off for ages.
 
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