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[alantis360]

For fiber I absolutely love black beans since i have been going back to being vegetarian lately.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

Fuck, my pipe stem is clogged, I've been at it for a while with pipe cleaners, turning to solvents, I wonder what the problem is, hope I didn't melt it shut when using torch lighter for non-tobacco contents, 'cause I lost the stem to my other pipe.


Just making tea with my pipe tobacco, which works well enough I guess. I still ended up scavenging some half-smoked cigs (hey, if it's good enough for Kerouac and Cassady, I'm not making any excuses for the behavior either).

 

[TheAppleCore]

Amphetamine has an advantage over psychedelics in that they can be integrated into daily life, for a relatively long period of time. Psychedelics make one free in an extreme sense for a few hours, and amphetamine lets your social, youth-like energetic side be free for a whole summer. I'll never forget the early times with it, and in a big way the experiences facilitated by it are just as important to me as any psychedelic experience.

I was thinking, I find it pretty interesting that you compare stimulants and psychedelics. I feel that psychedelics are almost like a quirky subcategory of stimulant drugs, and that there is only a thin line between the two categories of psychoactives.

For me, one of the most important aspects of psychedelics is that they increase the sense of novelty, so everything has the striking appearance of seeing it for the first time, through the eyes of a child. This stimulates curiosity, in the same way that the amplified reward response does on amphetamines. I've noticed some very similar thought patterns emerge on both 2C-X's and meth, for instance.

Also, interesting to note is that some drugs are structurally psychedelics and amphetamines, like the DOx series.

 

[kidklmx]

I dunno about you, PepperSocks, but I find that integration part the biggest disadvantage of amphetamines. The first drug I ever touched (including weed) was amphetamine, and seeing my only prior-experience was mid dose alcohol, things went awry soon enough.

And don't forget, low-dose psychedelics are (IMO) the best stimulants around.

 

[Toucan]

I can't say I've ever really gleaned anything particularly insightful from a stimulant experience, except if I've been writing on it. Otherwise I'll be to caught up in whatever I'm doing for any introspection.
Writing is the big exception though. We should remember that some of the best books were probably written on speed.

 

[TheAppleCore]

O.K., I think I'm starting to see what you guys mean by amphetamine "anxiety". However, I would rather use the term "frustration". Pangs of anger with myself, or my situation. I associate the term "anxiety" with panicky feelings that accompany increased heartrate, shortness of breath, sweaty palms, etc. None of these are present on amps for me.

 

[PepperSocks]

I dunno about you, PepperSocks, but I find that integration part the biggest disadvantage of amphetamines. The first drug I ever touched (including weed) was amphetamine, and seeing my only prior-experience was mid dose alcohol, things went awry soon enough.

And don't forget, low-dose psychedelics are (IMO) the best stimulants around.

Well duh, from the addictive potential standpoint; It's very easy to take a dose of amp at lunch to make the day nicer. I could never do that with LSD.

I tried that whole low-dose psych gobbly-goock and it didn't work for me, ~20ug LSD or ~2-3mg of aMT, or ~0.2mg DOI. They all did the same thing; make me feel cold and make my muscles tense, with a less than desirable state of mind. Amphetamine was polar opposite.

But yes, the ability to integrate them into daily life is great in the short term, but in the end it's the same reason it's addictive. Say I worked as a lanscaper and knew the main job for a morning was building and planting a flowerbed (lots of carrying, shoveling, and a supervisor could come by at any moment). Take a benzo? Hell no. LSD? ditto. Amphetamine? Perfect. It makes you perform great with a jovial mood, and everyone thinks you're just an awesome guy. That's the hook.

 

[Dondante]

O.K., I think I'm starting to see what you guys mean by amphetamine "anxiety". However, I would rather use the term "frustration". Pangs of anger with myself, or my situation. I associate the term "anxiety" with panicky feelings that accompany increased heartrate, shortness of breath, sweaty palms, etc. None of these are present on amps for me.

Yep, frustration/irritability...then depression/anxiety (at least for me).

Snuck up on this fella while she was taking a nap the other day...looks purdy content to me.

...just wanted to share.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

^Reminds me of the sea lions over in La Jolla.

O.K., I think I'm starting to see what you guys mean by amphetamine "anxiety". However, I would rather use the term "frustration". Pangs of anger with myself, or my situation. I associate the term "anxiety" with panicky feelings that accompany increased heartrate, shortness of breath, sweaty palms, etc. None of these are present on amps for me.

Feelings of frustration are associated with anxiety IME (sober).

 

[PepperSocks]

I'm actually in a weird way at the moment. I stopped the amps last week, and like I said I have just have some cathinones and MDMA in terms of stimulants; none of the group are suited to daily use, side effects make 'em pretty self-limiting.
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Anyways, done the semester, free night, I thought I'd have some MDPV to do some spirited reading play with 'Peter'.

Anyways here's my report in a thread documenting stimulant side efects. I'm not freaking out like on a hard trip, I'm actually quite sober, just dizzy bit of a headache, with bad near-field eye sight.

Me

] ^ MDPV: wild hallucination whike still retaining a good amount of conginitive funchion unlike classical psychedelics. LCD screens are interesting, the cloudy, wavy shapes I see behind the glass exist in a place I cannot get to. [I know it's just a whooping chemical imbalance; I'm sure if I broke my sreen I would be any closer to entering their realm.

Walls and ceilings always shifting, moving,. What would be neat if able ti be controlled is visual perception. My eyeshight for reading close text is gone, but if I put my thumb between my eyes and the back of the couch I can see every dust particle falling. I also have an ethanolic solution of etizolam in it, and it's right near the saturation point (benzos very non-polar). I always knew there was some in suspension as I could see the mild turbidity, but tonight when I disturbed the vial I could see the movement of each particle and noticed that the amount over saturation is more than I thought. No bother though; it takes a while to settle, just shake for homogenization and quickly grab the aliquot.

Oh another very cool effect, looking at a wall I can see the empty spot on the wall caused by the retina's blind spot.

The most cool effect of all; when I look underneath small furniture (low light level) I see colour changing, rapidly shifing as if in a draft, but bound in place by the main support of the nest (like a sail without tight wind).

Now I know those neat webs are full hallucinations such as from delirents. I went to pick one up, nothing was there. As my hand lowered it dissapeared without me even getting a touch. Something like the visual accuity to see dust and sedminent so well is at the expence of being able to read computer text and these distracting new curvatures in this windows GUI are wiggin me out; I'm glad I'm not trying to use a Mac.

I can also see the 'microscoppic' hairs on the back of my fingers clear as day, at arms length, but my pajamas across the room are starting to wiggle around like a snail.

Psychologically I'm all good though; non of the emotional instability I would be feeling with similar visual effects on something like mushrooms.

Oh ya; physical pupil examination; bit larger than normal but not MDMA/LSD saucers. Main obervation for concerm present in both eyes. Pupils are not perfectly curcular (mine usually are), where the iris makes an angle there is a brown liquid present, inside the eye; not a lot but visible, along with a smooth angle turn instead of radial. The iris itslef is lacking a large part pf the lines that project from the inner border , radially. It's a more hazy blue-cyan colour instead of the usually 'sharper blue-grey colour with the fibrous like lines going though when seen close up.

So I'll keep an eye on my eyes; just thought it might be a neat, (possible) idiosyncracy that should be shared.

Should be of not that am on a mild SSRI prescription and used stimulants in conjunction them in the past without such odd effects. The clinical practice of prescribing amps/DARI's along side SSRI's also indicates a certain level of safety (no, I didn't say immunity). [/I]

So far I think it's just an effect of sympathetic stimlation and will gone in a sleep or two.

Tp go the armchair wikipedia doctor; I'd say http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyphema . I also take a lot of aspirin which can cause/aggravate hyphemia, duly noted. I've getting lazy and not doing CWE's; sometimes (often) 80mg codein in ten 375mg ASA tabs. So almost 4g ASA a day. Both eyes, same time, with high BP situation though. Definite zebra
fishin, I think I'll just relax til tomorrow. Reading just raised pulse/BP more by worrying, so like so many othe things it can be made worse by worrying about it, so I'm not gonna worry about it. Ah Cider House Rules; loungin' on the ether with the gramaohine playing..

I guess I should include the tiny bit of methylone in the report to. I took it knowing of the SSRI and was expecting severly limited 5-HT release, like everyone else reports w/ SSRI's and MDxx. But I dunno, I've got a pretty good buzz going. I hate feeling embarrassed one night with a structurally, entirely unrelated class of compound and karma nails me; what's with that?

Oh and the neat part is I can see through things, but the vision I see of the interior is not of our time and is filled with puffy clounds or cool phosporescent stuff, or nebula. Kinda wild when my mind at an anxious +1; basic cognitive functions intact.

Sitting on the john and looking into the plain, light brown towel in front of me; it became a living forest.

I wish I could even attempt to describe the clusters of particles in the air, organized, moving on their own power with the intention of the 'flock mind ". Walls have no meaning; if half of a flock is on one side of the wall; I see straight through to the rest of the flock; I don't see the wall until I go and touch it. Same with these particles; try to touch them and they dissapear. Interesting thing; they emit a visible heat wave type of vision. Around clusters of particles the refractive index is different that normal air; When looking at something on the other side of a cluster, you'd think someone had a barbeque running. Not abnormally hot though; I wouldn't mind a Geiger Counter and a lead suit though

And that's the kind of night it's been. Some of the strangest psychedelic phenomena with no psychedelic consumed.

I'm thinkin mild serotonin syndrome; I myself am a bit warm, bit dizzy, high pulse, head seems sorta pressurized.

But all that's okay because while asleep my new particle buddies will take me to their ship and cure me and show me unthinkable wonders!! HAHAHA, So long suckers! :D Oh if only I were that delerious.

What's your 2 cents big D? Forget doctors around here knowing anything about the monoamine axis.

Thing is, I'm visually off the wall. I feel over-stimulated, but very much aware of what's going on and can take care of myself (start feeling zappy; take benzos). This is the strongest visual imagery I've ever had and I've taken lots of strong psychs. Not LSD/trypt-like, not Ket/DXM like, I was just about to type "it's really all it's own", but can remember visions like this from strong fevers and benadryl. Seems like Delirium, but a very interesting and certainly not unpleasant.

I've made contact with a sentient being that can slip between the atoms of walls and other materials. They can also creat an exclave of space-time to show us marvelous things of a nebula when it was a nebula. or when it's going to be a nebula.
They've also apparently made my apartment into a sort of holo-deck where things that are supposed to be stationary move, not only move, but move thorugh things, and you can seem them on the other side; looking throung the thing they just walked through!

Yeesh, I better give my occipital lobe a rest and let TV do the work.

Anyways, yeah, little different, 'sober-mind', but half of what's seen is not there. Eh, at least the stuff that's not there is pretty obvious it 's not actually there.

 

[PepperSocks]

K, I tried a lot do get the text in that post to not be in some weir cursive font and it's still messed up so screw it. LULZ if eveyone has to copy/paste into notebook to read posts. There's a coupld spots in there that I'd have to9 do that.

Hey, even check out the whacked out stuff in this little post. I just virus scanned, I hope it's not of of those hard buggers and is just a BL program error.

Electrical 'arcs' in the screen caught my eye, I look in a bit further, and I'm at a field watching an, Indian vs. Soldier Lacrosse game, with satellite dishes in the background.

Undeblieveable; sorry for the visual updates, last one; promise.

Oh seein' a heatwave, a quantum heatwave.

 

[Solipsis]

Be careful man, eyes are not meant to make slush puppies in.

How much peevee did you take by the way?

Maybe I missed it in previous posts but are you quitting amp? Or just mixing it up a little?
And yeah very nice to see you here, I really got to send you an e-mail when I have more time.

Dropped 3 mg of 4-HO-DMT just now to check the potency, it is greyish but considering it might very well be like 6 years old I think I should consider myself lucky. Should be the fumarate then. Not sure if I hit an + on it or a +/- ... oh wait I think this is definitely at least a +. FFS this material is potent.
I am checking because I haven't had a deeply meaningful and spiritual psychedelic trip in years it seems. Yes I had the brief therapy sessions where I could touch base, and last year before I went to rehab I had an awesome and visionary mescaline experience. But before I am heading off into a mirtazapine-supported life of more stability for a while I really want to augment the transformations I am going through, so next week I want to take a psilocin trip. Want to go hard but on the other hand I don't want my anxiety issues to swing balls to the walls. I guess I would rather risk having to chemically subdue myself and give it a good shot for once - but I have not decided on a dose.

Got my circadian rhythm back on track it seems, and this afternoon I am setting off to a Zen retreat weekend with my housemate. Also I am preparing a vegetable garden for the first time :D

edit:
OK it really seems I am coming up now, tripping even, feel the quality quite clearly - tightness in the face like a good little euphoric stim, and yes euphoric it is - awesome - everything is so sharply defined and impregnated with the framerate increased, all hallmarks so typical of N,N-DMT. This is not really like mushrooms at my dose.

I guess we can call the fumarate stable as a mothafacka

*swirls*

P.S.
Dondante, please tell your blissed out seal that he has the mephedrone coming dripping out of his nose.
I can't seem to start laughing at that picture!

(nkb, sea lions have ear flaps)

 

[kidklmx]

Solipsis, is that Psilocin 6 years old really? Then I got myself a reason to get an extraction done. I'd imagine a FASA extraction (as described for Mimosa Hostillis) would net me with the fumerate, or are there any loopholes here? (don't really mind if I get some other alkaloids)

Yeah PepperSocks, I get what you mean though. Would love to have the restraint to be doing a good stimulant every once and a while, for the exact purpose of what you just said. Especially for something like reading, I'm part of the "computer generation" and my attention span is not that good Sometimes I have to really force myself to read (see, TheAppleCore, you're not alone with issues like this), though at least I can force myself. Can't say that about a lot of people in this day & age

Though LSD at maybe ~60ug was quite good as a stimulant, almost like a more honest MDMA-light (wouldn't call MDMA a proper stimulant, but "MDMA-light" is). My first time LSD I undershot my dosage quite a bit, and when I came home from a very long night I still had to walk my dog. A long, uneventful story* short, I ended up walking for 1 1/2 hours and I only went home because it was like 8am, could've gone for another hour maybe. A shame it didn't work out for you, it's really that good. Though maybe set/setting plays a part in lower doses too, I dunno.

*But if I could really convey that moment, a really beautiful one. The sun was rising, there was absolutely no one on the streets or in the park I went to. You all get my sentiments.

 

[PepperSocks]

Be careful man, eyes are not meant to make slush puppies in.

No doubt. there's no pain other than the expected tiredness. The black holes where girls say the light of my eyes come from, still aren't circular; not like they're oval or trapezoid, but all my life my pupils were clean circles and I could see like a hawk. One thing I forgot to mention last night is the white is no so white. It's red-ish and a tiny bit puffy, but not the bloodshot red effects from kids smokin dope.
Other than that, what concerns me is the lack of circularity, lack of structure (fibres), and if looked inside the pupil the right wayl the side corresponding to where the angle is on the circle is either swelling out, or dissociating from the outer tissue and falling in. With how fast it happened it seems weird that not every coke head out there would have itm and isn't directly correlated with drug use.

I like my eyes I woiuld like to keep them for much longer. I would love to see an optometrist ASAP. Of course I worry about questions. "Yeah, been really busy the last few nights, not much sleep, regular caffeine helps out", and if they ask to test, the MA moiety would show up. I could try the "I take ranitidine for heart-burn, but it doesn't have a good success rate. Being a drug user and dealing with the medical establishment is great when it's just a routine check-up, you're healthy and have nothing to lie about, but when a drug was in you at the time of onset, it turns into an interrogation. I could handle the acute part of that; the big papers that get put in my chart and follow me around are what bother me.

How much peevee did you take by the way?

I wish I had a witty line to say something along the lines of "None of you're fuckin' business" :D

My normally tolerant people maybe an average amount. 3 doses, aimed for ~15mg each. I had forgot my previous ezperiments. Those 15mg doses were quite a rough ride when getting over the peak. Back in the bay is dosed it equal to amp; ~5mg for a functional dose; but the idea was to get whizzed out. Maybe a bit too soon; I still have animals hiding in my clothes piles moving them around

Would defnitely like to find out what's up with my eyes though. What happened to the tradition of a surgeon pulling a bullet out of a person and then they flip the surgeon a silver dollar? The medical establishment is so bloody nosy. Come to think of it, if I ever meet Dondante, the first thing I'm going to do is punch him in the nose. :D

Maybe I missed it in previous posts but are you quitting amp? Or just mixing it up a little?
And yeah very nice to see you here, I really got to send you an e-mail when I have more time.

Naw, quite for good and amps or fluoro-amps are gone and not coming back. They're just not self limiting enough over a long time. MDPV, methylone, mephedrone, they make you feel like shit when it wears off and it's not proffesionally useful while it's working. It was how amphetamine fit so well with daily life that made it hard to resist, to take a cathinone when I have a job to do is not the way it works.

I should have waited longer, one week was a nice amount of time to build expectation and subconsciously plan to not get 'mildly high'.

 

[Dondante]

^Psox, sounds like the beginnings of stimulant psychosis to me...not the part about punching me in the nose...that's just regular ol' Psox.

Hope you're getting some zzzz by now...

Dondante, please tell your blissed out seal that he has the mephedrone coming dripping out of his nose.
I can't seem to start laughing at that picture!

(nkb, sea lions have ear flaps)

yep, she's an elephant seal...wouldn't get that close to a male! also, sea lions can run with back flippers...seals just kinda flop on land.

 

[Toucan]

O.K., I think I'm starting to see what you guys mean by amphetamine "anxiety". However, I would rather use the term "frustration". Pangs of anger with myself, or my situation. I associate the term "anxiety" with panicky feelings that accompany increased heartrate, shortness of breath, sweaty palms, etc. None of these are present on amps for me.

I sometimes get social anxiety on amps - awkwardness, not looking people in the eye and that....

 

[2002Tii]

Classic time:

 

[LSDMDMA&AMP]

rrama be crean

 

[SONN]

so, I ended my tolerance break. I took 18mg 2c-b orally, then an hour and 15 mins later I took 125mg MDMA (pure MDMA that was made less than 12 hours before ) then probably like 35 or 45 minutes after that I snorted anywhere from like 10-25mg 2c-b more and it all hit me like a bag of bricks. I threw up a tiny bit then was floored for like an hour. I was seeing a live performance I've been waiting since the mid summer to see and I fucking relished it it was AMAZING. seriously if I had footage of that show I would wake up and watch it every morning to get me out of bed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOwiLJS175Q

^^Best part of my trip, that song came on, I fell into a trance where I saw very south american indian looking patterns covering my whole vision in a neon blue and green electric haze.

Then I started dancing and the lights on the stage turned into two kaleidoscopic eyes each spinning opposite directions clockwise/counterclockwise. I stared into the eyes and they turned into the eyes of a lion with a mane of blue and white flames and pulsating to the beat of the music. as I would get more and more into the music my skin would ignite with blue and white flame. Incredible, I couldn't have asked for more.

I went to get a water after I regained most of my ego and the whole ground was patterns amazing show, amazing trip, hardest roll of my life by far and I still haven't been hit too heavily by a comedown. Honey Flip

 

[LSDMDMA&AMP]

you in norf filly?
i wanna go there
degenerate llama would go there and hit da block for dat diesel but no