☮ Social ☮ PD Social Distancing Tripping Thread: Viruses Can't Penetrate Hyperspace

[G_Chem]

Yea that particular trip reminded me why I love it so much, it was a pretty intense trip at times but when you need to get your shit together enough to complete a task it allows that.

That aspect makes it one of the best camping/hiking psychedelics IMO. With outdoor camping and hiking you never know who you may run into and being able to communicate at the drop of a hat is nice.

I’ve often wondered if that portrayal of Mescaline comes from its use as Peyote? My dad too used to always warn me about how strong and long lasting the trip was, he said he tried it once and that was enough..

After he saw how San Pedro would affect me he said it seemed they were two fairly different experiences.

Someday I hope to try a sustainably sourced ‘yote if I can... Idk if I got what it takes to grow one. I can barely keep Pedro’s alive at times :/


Also I’m regards to that trip, I need to explore bridgesii more. I tripped for 36hours!! It was light the last half but still present.

-GC

 

[Pfafffed]

Yeah, I think most people have the wrong idea about mescaline. While any psychedelic can go sideways (cactus has been pretty dark and melancholy for me maybe three times in my life,) I think mescaline is among the very gentlest. It may be even friendlier than 2C-B, certainly healthier and more healing for me.

I fall into the camp of people that can get really long experiences with it if I dose high enough or combine it with a RIMA - as long as 36hrs. Not everybody seems to. Peyote is generally seen to be every bit as mild as San Pedro or Peruvian Torch. Most accounts from people in the Native American Church don't even mention much in the way of visuals, for instance. Bridgesii, though... That can definitely be on the strong side. Whereas cactus usually feels like serene, cosmic MDMA to me, bridgesii can get a bit tryptaminey at times.

 

[Xorkoth]

Interesting, I have heard a lot of tales from westerners who say that peyote is extremely strong and visionary compared to other cacti. Also I didn't realize bridgesii had a different effects profile. It makes sense, as the mescaline cacti all seem to contain a host of other compounds, including possible RIMAs, that would make the experience different. I have noticed that compared to pure mescaline, all cactus trips I've had have been substantially fuller/stronger.

 

[Pfafffed]

Might be true, might be due to relative ease of consuming large amounts compared to pachanoi, or it could very well be due to its mythos (the Fear and Loathing effect.)

Richard Evan Schultes published a paper in the topic. He summarizes his conclusions at the end of the article.

https://www.samorini.it/doc1/alt_aut/sz/schultes_pey.htm

"The peyote vision is incidental and of little significance, as shown by the following considerations:
(a) peyote visions are relatively rare;
(b) peyote visions are not sought, but are often avoided as wrong;
(c) proselytes almost without exception neglected the mention of visions as an appeal;
(d) early writers did not, as a rule, emphasize peyote visions..."

 

[SunriseChampion]

Oh man, tripping for 36 hours....I think I would cry.

Well, I’ve tried my hand at teaching, the military (by far my best fit, but bum knees got me kicked out), a number of sales and retail type jobs.

Somewhat disparate fields! Though, I suppose all fairly regimented and well organised, unlike whatever the hell it is that I get up to every day.

I wanted to join the army when I was in high school. I was in cadets, which I left for hockey....which I left for university....which I left for.............I didn't have money for books. :D
I was applying to the Royal Military College in Kingston and my mum's friend who is a college prof wrote me a letter of recommendation that included a bit about how I was a poor fit for the army. So that was that.
Where did you teach? That sounds like it could either be interesting or stressful as all hell.

This winter I had an excellent 0.7 g mushroom tea experience while snowboarding with some friends, it was exhilarating. You could try going on a bike ride or hike and bring a thermos of the tea with you.

Yeah, I think I'm going to try a dose around that number this weekend, see if that's a bit less stressful. Go for a walk by the lake. They closed the provincially-run park on the water that's right by me. There's a cool lookout over the water there as well as a newly refurbished section that is perfect for trippin so it's kind of bunk around here right now....hmmm, unless I go to High Park which is a semi-wild massive park not too far from me.
Find some sweet spot for low dose, because as much as I prefer a decent 4ish g dose or more, I don't feel the need to go on trips that serious more than once in a real while.

Some people may prefer higher doses but personally after having done both, I prefer the lower “psycholytic” doses as opposed to the mind bending high dose extremely psychedelic ones. I wouldnt go for any avatar type shit just use the energy of the mushroom to compliment your being if ya know what I mean. I’m sure you’ll have a great time

I deffo prefer the higher end dose range with mushrooms (though, I can't say I'd be willing to go too much above 7g...just seems.....pointless, or insane) but yeah, I tend to have a great time even when I'm having a shitty time. Life had too many rough bits in my 20s, I don't have time to be upset anymore.

 

[SunriseChampion]

I've never had a problem with solo tripping, sometimes it's not the right moment and you're not feeling well, but there's a difference between feeling uncomfortable and sad, and freaking out. Given that you're so experienced in the mushroom field, I'd be surprised the latter happens, though still possible I guess.

Yeah, I've never had a "bad" trip on mushrooms. I've only ever had little moments of thought looping and anxiety, but they are short-lived and I've found I can control how I feel in that moment. Maybe a skill I picked up using CBT for depression, I don't know. Had a weird trip once that was kind of freaky....felt like I dropped dead asleep and was walking around in a weird sort of fugue state and as if it was a dream. Never had another trip like it and that was one of my first....about 3-4g.
That low dose mushroom tea I did last weekend...the peak legit felt like I was about to have a massive panic attack. Almost jittery. Never felt anything like it from mushrooms. I'm not putting it on the strain either because the ones I brewed were from the last 3 or 4 grams of an oz of Golden Teachers I had.

Had a 'bad trip' once though, the first 1h30 of 4.5mg of DOI, I thought I went nuts and had literally broken myself for some reason, , insane thought loops, lots of crying, visuals that made me hardly able to see, puking.

Yeah, the only time I would say I had a negative experience that lasted for more than a few minutes was from a DOx (I don't remember what it was exactly)....the last 4 hours I just thought I was in a permanent state of tripping. It was extremely unpleasant. I mean, when I had minor HPPD-like symptoms back in the day for months I thought it was fun! This, however, just felt terrible....maybe because it was lasting so long and I was really tired at that point.
Is 4.5mg of DOI a particularly strong dose?

I feel like this is especially true for mushrooms, the bodyload isn't bad at all ime, but when you really start focusing on something, it can easily grow quite bothersome.

Yeah, I felt great after the peak on the low dose. I kept rubbing my hands....they felt cool hahaha....maybe because they're all rough from work so they have some texture. Though, I can almost guaranteed, if I had some lady here, I would have been rubbing something else entirely.

Also, I find that moving your body and being active (a walk, a short dance to the music) helps immensely. I never understood how people could lie down in their bed for the whole duration of a (shroom) trip, although in theory it does sound appealing.

Yeah, I'm used to wandering outside during shroom trips. This last one I didn't dress warm enough and the restlessness actually made me want to go home because it reminded me of when I used to do meth and that may have subconciously just put me into flight home mode because towards the end of my meth addiction I started getting bad social anxiety and would always want to go home almost as soon as we all got to wherever me and my mates were going that night (usually a rave or some pub).

Gonna maybe go on a long walk to a bigger park just west of me this next time.

It's lockdown plague days so I guess it's about time I learn how to trip solo. :D

 

[Deleted member 521610]

I started off my journey solo tripping then finally met other psychedelic heads and spent a good amount of time doing trips with close friends then it was back to solo tripping for the rest of my years mainly since most people stopped using them though still link up with old friends once a year to go on a trip together.

Once you get a hang of the psychedelic experience solo trips are quite fun and rewarding allowing you to go really deep within your own mind without been pulled out of your train of thoughts by friends. But i guess its also a double edge sword if you aint experinced enough to pull yourself out of bad thoughts. Mushrooms can be quite brutal teachers. Id suggest also exploring LSD more in small doses and working your way up. 500 ug of LSD once you are experienced enough to handle it is like no other psychedelic on this planet. Its true initiation into the universe.

 

[Vastness]

Mushrooms I also find to be quite "brutal teachers", as you put it, TripSitterNZ. Lysergamides I find to be a lot more forgiving.

I've found I can control how I feel in that moment. Maybe a skill I picked up using CBT for depression

For sure, this would have been useful. I think any kind of practice that teaches you to separate yourself from your thoughts and feelings is naturally going to help when tripping, because you will have a greater ability to just calmly observe the darkness instead of getting swept up in it - practising "benign curiosity", to put it in CBT/psychotherapy lingo. Meditation also helps, in my experience (and the experience of many others). The more well practised a person is in doing this, the greater their ability will be to see through any threatening illusions to the transcendent beauty at the heart of the psychedelic experience. It occurs to me writing this that this is probably why dissociatives combine so well with psychedelics also, dissociation is, essentially, a perfect state of separation of your actual identity from the torrent of thought and feeling that we usually reside within - if a somewhat artificially induced one. Not that I'm advocating the practice, as I think as a general rule it's harder to take back any useful lessons from such an experience compared to taking a psychedelic alone.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

Where did you teach? That sounds like it could either be interesting or stressful as all hell.

I was a substitute teacher in an upper-middle class district for about a year but after 4 years of interviewing, applying, etc. never got an actual teaching job, so I gave up on it. My friend has better credentials than me and he teaches in a ghetto where his 12 year old students threaten him with violence... why bother if they're just gonna stick you in a ghetto where you aren't actually teaching?

I was accepted for officer training but injured both my legs before finishing my training so I received a discharge. Don't consider myself a Vet but also I'm technically prior service now... weird limbo state. And now the virus hit. I already couldn't find work before this shit... I'll probably remain unemployed for years to come. My wife takes care of my broken ass... thank God she has stable work.

 

[G_Chem]

I was a substitute teacher in an upper-middle class district for about a year but after 4 years of interviewing, applying, etc. never got an actual teaching job, so I gave up on it. My friend has better credentials than me and he teaches in a ghetto where his 12 year old students threaten him with violence... why bother if they're just gonna stick you in a ghetto where you aren't actually teaching?

I was accepted for officer training but injured both my legs before finishing my training so I received a discharge. Don't consider myself a Vet but also I'm technically prior service now... weird limbo state. And now the virus hit. I already couldn't find work before this shit... I'll probably remain unemployed for years to come. My wife takes care of my broken ass... thank God she has stable work.

I feel you on that right now man. I’m playing stay at home dog Dad at the moment. Gotta say I’m grateful, as I’m sure are you, that I got this woman in my life cuz otherwise I’d be begging for food scraps with this virus making it impossible to work.

-GC

 

[Img_9999]

Haven't tripped propper in a long while. I was thinking of taking some 1CP-LSD on 4/19. Never been much of a bycicle day tripper but since I'm stuck inside might as well use the chance. I much preffer outside tripping, but I think I can still have a nice time. I also haven't tried the 1CP I got almost a year ago.

 

[xammy]

what's up guys

 

[Xorkoth]

IMG, are you able to go outside at all? Or are you in the middle of a city? Where I live, there are no restriction at all on being outside as long as you don't congregate, and I live right next to a national forest, so my girl and I have been going on lots of hikes. It's made a HUGE difference for me.

Is 4.5mg of DOI a particularly strong dose?

Yeah it's really high, 1.2mg is a full dose (on the light side). 4.5mg is almost 4 times the beginning of a full trip level, and DOXs ramp up FAST.

I started off my journey solo tripping then finally met other psychedelic heads and spent a good amount of time doing trips with close friends then it was back to solo tripping for the rest of my years mainly since most people stopped using them though still link up with old friends once a year to go on a trip together.

Me too, except I still mostly trip with other people. My first few trips were social with friends, in college. Then I moved with my ex across the country and had no friends to trip with, I was even hiding my tripping from my ex because she called it "stupid kid stuff" and told me to grow up (she was a bitch and I really should have just broken up with her rather than eventually marry her and hide my psychedelic use). I tried to share my experiences through my trip reports with my old friends back home, and they all thought I was insane for taking RCs and tried to have an intervention. Bluelight saved my sanity when I found it, because I finally could talk to others about the extremely profound and impactful solo trips I was having. I grew a lot as a result of those solo trips, I did a lot of deep work, came to a much greater understanding of myself and existence.

Then 11 years ago I moved where I live now, and met some BLers who had been PD crew friends online for years, and came into a whole group of friends who are all into psychedelics like I am. I started exploring group tripping and do to this day, with the same people and some new people. With the group tripping I learned a whole different set of things, interpersonal stuff, self-confidence stuff. My trips changed. I love solo tripping and group tripping but at this point in my life I prefer tripping with someone else.

what's up guys

Sup xammy, how are you doing? I'm pretty good all things considered. We don't have hard lockdown so I've been going twice a week to my bandmates' farmstead, and jamming/practicing, and helping them set up their farm. And going on plenty of nature hikes.

 

[xammy]

Haven't tripped propper in a long while. I was thinking of taking some 1CP-LSD on 4/19. Never been much of a bycicle day tripper but since I'm stuck inside might as well use the chance. I much preffer outside tripping, but I think I can still have a nice time. I also haven't tried the 1CP I got almost a year ago.

I haven't tripped since last summer I think, so like 9 months lol. I took some 3-meo-pcp and 3-mmc and some amphetamines and cannabis in between, but I haven't taken any drugs in over a month I think. And probably won't in a while when this virus shit is going on.

Too bad I have to quit snus probably. The border is closed so it is getting really expensive, like over 100% more expensive. I could pay that, but I won't. I have taken 6 months breaks before. I have like 1 month supply and then it's time to buy some nicotine gum or something and take a break.

 

[xammy]

Sup xammy, how are you doing? I'm pretty good all things considered. We don't have hard lockdown so I've been going twice a week to my bandmates' farmstead, and jamming/practicing, and helping them set up their farm. And going on plenty of nature hikes.

I'm good, except I'm worried my mother will get the virus. Other than that nothing's changed really. Except uni closed and I took that like yeah, it's time to chill for the rest of the semester. Those classes were the only thing that energized me and going to library. Studying from home won't work really work for me now (no motivation whatsoever) so I kinda already started summer vacation.

I live pretty close to forest too and in a house, so even being at home is not a problem. I feel for people who live in small apartments and especially families who have to be there in a close apartment almost 24/7, that would suck
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[Img_9999]

Well, it haven't been THAT long for me, but I think my last proper trip was the DOPr I dosed back in September. Since then I had a nice but not very strong 4-HO-MET trip in january, and a pretty mild MiPLA trip in February.

Is it hard quitting snus? Like quitting cigarrettes I guess ? Or easier/harder? I never got into any tobacco products, probably for the best.

IMG, are you able to go outside at all? Or are you in the middle of a city? Where I live, there are no restriction at all on being outside as long as you don't congregate, and I live right next to a national forest, so my girl and I have been going on lots of hikes. It's made a HUGE difference for me.

That's really a blessing. I live surrounded by montains, but it's still a half an hour public transport ride away. I actually live in the middle of a crowded city, in an appartment, so I don't even have a backyard lol. So no chance of going outside.

 

[Buzz Lightbeer]

I can still go outside, walks, store etc... I suspect my borders are closed too, I have a package coming in with non-regular post and it's been at the border for over a week, I think they might not want to/can't enter my country. There's some 3-MMC in there which I'd like at the moment.

4.5mg of DOI wasn't one of my best plans, but in my defense, people were saying that you really need to go up to 4 or more for a full experience. I got fucked because it came up in minutes while I thought I had much more time.

what's up guys

All good! Get your shit together and fix some LSD for Sunday man that's probably what I'll be doing. Shit together first, then LSD.

 

[xammy]

Is it hard quitting snus? Like quitting cigarrettes I guess ? Or easier/harder? I never got into any tobacco products, probably for the best.

I would say it is almost as hard as cigarettes. Nicotine is hell of a drug... and you learn to love that pouch in your lip. There are nicotine products nowadays that are in pouches tho. And I use way too much, I probably get more nicotine than most smokers since I almost sleep with snus.

 

[Pfafffed]

@Buzz Lightbeer didn't you try comboing 5—MAPB and 2C-B at some point? I was thinking about taking the 5—MAPB then later taking the 2C-B to smooth the comediwn and maybe provide more of a backbone for all that serotonin release

 

[Buzz Lightbeer]

@Buzz Lightbeer didn't you try comboing 5—MAPB and 2C-B at some point? I was thinking about taking the 5—MAPB then later taking the 2C-B to smooth the comediwn and maybe provide more of a backbone for all that serotonin release

No, it was 5-MAPB and 2C-C and some 2C-D (why I thought all that was a good idea escapes me). Didn't have much synergy, and the combo felt awkward and forced, I don't quite remember why but that was my impression at the time. The effects were immensely strong, 75mg of 5-MAPB I think, 30mg 2C-C, 20mg 2C-D.
Still a cool experience but I wished it was only the 5-MAPB. I have combined it with 4-HO-MET which was much better, if you do take a psychedelic on it, I'd go for a tryptamine personally, I chose 4-HO-MET due to reading a reddit post about the so called 'borax' combo which had a whole explanation for it.

In theory it does sound good with 2C-B. If you do try it, please let me know