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☮ Social ☮ PD Social Distancing Talk Thread: Swirly Congregation That's 100% Pandemic-Proof

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your country is pretty fucked up. who wants that? still they have money for infinite QE and $2000/stimulus per citizen etc?

will everyone who gets coronavirus be in permanent debt for their rest of life if they need medical care?

Fucking scary that od. But you didn't really feel it, just travelled in time?
 
MURICA.... GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: yeah our health system is absolutely fucked, there are like 30 million Americans or more without health insurance. And our medical costs are 10x the next highest country's medical costs. it's absolutely absurd. And if you just get health care on your own they charge you like $500-$700 a month just for the premium... and then you also have a yearly deducttible to meet where you have the pay all costs up to thatamount and then after that, the rest is covered. My work pays 80% of my health care costs and I still pay $140 a month (pre-tax though), and have a $400 yearly deductible. Still, in this case that more than pays for the whole year because with my $120 copay and my $400 deductible, I will be paying only $520 for the ER visit instead of who fucking knows, over $10k probably.

Obamacare was a step in the right direction, there is a sliding scale of government subsidies to pay your premium, and if you're around the poverty level, you're paying pretty little, like $50/month and they give you pretty comprehensive health care with a low deductible. But once you hit about $50k/year, you don't get any help, and even at $50k per year you can't afford $500-700 a month for health insurance, probably.

Yeah I time traveled and then felt a really strong GHB high which I enjoyed in the hospital and the rest of the night... lol.

As for Coronavirus... they're not offering to pay the medical bills. People without insurance who are in the ICU for a month are gonna be saddled with more debt than they will ever have any hope of paying. It's so fucked up.
 
mega fucked up. i pay like 50€/month for health insurance too. but it covers everything if i need icu or anything and if I get permanent damage it gives me great pay. and If I die my relatives get like 100 000€

I still invest in S&P 500 index. your country really knows how to make money. but future is scary.
 
Yeah the stock market is strong (even now it's already recovered from a brief crash to $18k back up to $24/25k, the all-time high was $29k right before covid). But in terms of the average person, that wealth does not trickle down. I have a retirement account tied to the stock market so I am benefitting, but most people can't afford to invest, and don't have retirement accounts, and are stuck at the same minimum wage we've had for ages, while the cost of living has steadily climbed.
 
how does the 401k work? is it like your retirement pay?

here we get something like 700€/month even if you didn't work for a day. and it's something around 1500€/month with normal 40 year long working career. but some rich can get like 3k and more in a month for retirement

but now they're talking about how we won't get it at all. birthrate is at all time low and there are so many old people that maybe when I am at that age I don't get anything? scary future!
 
Americans do pay much less taxes.
In return there are no pensions, expensive higher education and expensive health insurance though.

This exact subject has been done to death in this topic and forum in general. No system is perfect but it's crazy how the American people doesn't get shit while it's such a rich country.
 
Americans do pay much less taxes.
In return there are no pensions, expensive higher education and expensive health insurance though.

This exact subject has been done to death in this topic and forum in general. No system is perfect but it's crazy how the American people doesn't get shit while it's such a rich country.

yes. i just want xorkoth to tell me it since i understand it better than reading it from wikipedia or something :D
 
I don't know that reference?
but I could get some love. it's been so long. the last girl I cuddled with fucking died.
 
how is healthcare in Latin America?

Depends a lot on the country, here the system is kinda similar to de US, but it's nowhere near that expensive. Still, the system reveals the fundamental inquity of our economy, visible in most aspects of our public life: If you have enough money, you can pay for an insurance and get attended at the private system, which has considerably more resources and is all around better. People who can't, get attended at the public system, which is more of a gamble when it comes to what you get and has infamous queues and sometimes absurd waiting times for complex operations. But the public system is at least really cheap.
 
Depends a lot on the country, here the system is kinda similar to de US, but it's nowhere near that expensive. Still, the system reveals the fundamental inquity of our economy, visible in most aspects of our public life: If you have enough money, you can pay for an insurance and get attended at the private system, which has considerably more resources and is all around better. People who can't, get attended at the public system, which is more of a gamble when it comes to what you get and has infamous queues and sometimes absurd waiting times for complex operations. But the public system is at least really cheap.

I read the military coup in 1973 there the other day. does that have a big impact in your history there?

brazil could see coup again soon, at least what I'm seeing from news? fucked up stuff going on
 
how does the 401k work? is it like your retirement pay?

here we get something like 700€/month even if you didn't work for a day. and it's something around 1500€/month with normal 40 year long working career. but some rich can get like 3k and more in a month for retirement

but now they're talking about how we won't get it at all. birthrate is at all time low and there are so many old people that maybe when I am at that age I don't get anything? scary future!

The 401k is for retirement, yes. It's an account you pay into, pre-tax (and then that income is not taxed), which you can only access at retirement. The idea is that it has doubled numerous times by then. And then you can take out some every year to pay yourself a yearly salary after retirement, while the rest keeps gaining interest. it gets taxed when you take it out, as income. If I keep contributing at my current rate and retire at age 65, I should be able to get between $50-55k a year throughout my years after retirement. Assuming the American stock market doesn't totally collapse that is.

You also get social security payments after age 65, which are automatically paid as part of your taxes when you work. Of course they're gutting social security and it's questionable whether it will still exist when young people retire. Which is just outright theft since we've all been paying into it our whole lives.

Basically a lot of people of my generation are gonna be totally fucked and destitute when they are too old to work. Even now I see 80 year olds working at grocery stores and shit in order to survive. it's fucked.

Americans do pay much less taxes.
In return there are no pensions, expensive higher education and expensive health insurance though.

This exact subject has been done to death in this topic and forum in general. No system is perfect but it's crazy how the American people doesn't get shit while it's such a rich country.

Yeah and the craziest thing is that a lot of the people who consistently vote against using our tax dollars for stuff that benefits them like health care are the poorest and most in need of it. Reagan is considered one of the great American presidents but he was a fucking piece of shit, he started the idea of "trickle-down economics" where poor working class Americans somehow were fooled into believing that spending our tax dollars on the wealthy and privatizing public services would allow benevolent ultra-rich to use that money to help them. It was the start of the collapse of the middle class.

The idea of privatizing public services like hospitals/health care, schools and prisons is absolute nonsense and is a scourge on our society, yet so many people now scream "AHH OMG SOCIALISM" at the idea of changing it. It's madness.

Holy shit ! :eek:

Yeah it's insanity. You can have an accident where you need to be hospitalized, or get cancer or something, and end up with $100k or more in debt to a hospital, and have to declare bankruptcy or be in debt your whole life. It's disgusting.
 
does that have a big impact in your history there?
Yes, the coup and the subsequent dictatorship it is the single most impactful event in our history, probably only second to our colonial heritage and independency process. It is the original cleavage of our contemporary politics. Basically, we are still living its downstream effects, and the society we live in today, is largely the one envisioned by the military tyrants that ran this country for 17 years.

On the early seventies we lived in a democratic socialist state that was actually largely inspired by the scandinavian welfare state. This was all destroyed.
 
I feel like i should go try find the ceiling dose for shrooms if there is one will try get my hands on a dried ounce and maybe eat a half oz or more but shrooms are fucking ruthless.

Maybe i will one day get around to eating a whole ounce dried to see how deep it goes.
 
A G for an ambulance.

Are they private companies running them? Or do they just get the bulk of their funding from user fees?

Here in Ontario, we also have to pay for ambulance use in situations like yours where "you did it to yourself" but it's only like 75$ (and I think you can not pay it if you meet certain financial conditions...it's a bit confusing) or so and I didn't have to pay it the one time I needed it because I insisted that I didn't need medical care and the paramedic insisted on taking me to the hospital (I collapsed in the street) because he had to do his job.
Here the ambulances are run by local governments, usually municipal.
 
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