☮ Social ☮ PD Social Distancing Talk Thread: Swirly Congregation That's 100% Pandemic-Proof

[Jabberwocky]

Tried 4-aco-dmt/mipt/met, 4-ho-met, dpt, none of which I kept.

I only have about 60ug LSD for tripping, and 600ug of Parvati Tears just in case I ever get a bad diagnosis.

 

[Pfafffed]

Yeah, it gets tough to know what to count. Do you count "nootropics?" They really run the gamut of psychoactivity, from a lot to none. Do you count various salts vs the freebase/FAA? Should 4-AcO-MET count if you've had 4-HO-MET? Should 4-HO-DMT count if you've had mushrooms? Should you say you've had NMT if you've vaped the oil from an Acacia confusa whole alkaloid extract? And if you're counting psychedelics, do you count MDA? 4-MeO-MiPT? 4C-D? And how about ROAs? Coca leaf quid is pretty radically different than crack. Vaped salvia extract is different from buccal leaves. Ayahuasca is pretty different than changa. It all gets pretty messy, so I've given up for now.

 

[Buzz Lightbeer]

I'd just count all of them, not that it really matters.

I do think that most RC psychedelics are truly very good or even excellent and probably worth trying or collecting. My interest in collecting might fade with time but I doubt I'll ever find them less good. It goes in line with previous passions I've had, once I'm into it, I'm REALLY into it

 

[cosmic charlie]

It's a hell of a hobby that's for sure I had no idea the rabbit hole I was going down back then when I first got involved. I have this constant desire to seek out new mind blowing experiences and if that's your thing the RC scene is right up your alley. And pretty much all of these different drugs are worthwhile in there own ways and it's fun exploring the differences. Gives all of us drug geeks plenty to talk about.

 

[Img_9999]

If counting psychs/dissos I'm only at 24.



I'm also not interested in RCs anymore. For the most part that's a result of losing interest in psychedelics, or at least, psychedelics that aren't plant medicines. But I also just have no interest in benzos, opioids, stimulants, or anything that's not an empathogen or plant medicine.

However, if MXE came back on the market, I would be on that in a heart beat. 10g immediately purchased, and likely taken semi-regularly again.

Well, in my case I wouldn't say I lost interest in RCs, I'm just taking it easier than a few years ago. May I ask why you are only interested in plant based psychedelics, as opposed to lab made?

 

[woodyfence]

I love 2C-E. My favorite dose was about 30 mg. I went as high as 42 mg, and time slowed down. Here's a 2C-C trip report of my first experiment with it. I was very surprised to find it acts like levoamphetamine to an extent.

June 21, 2020: I saw the blinding white shards of 2C-C. Black and white. Now I see rainbows. A rainbow guy came in stabbing the air toward me when I had my eyes closed. It reminded me of the cover art Digital Renegade by I See Stars, but with a huge grin that got bigger by the second. I realized 2C-C was a norepinephrine releasing agent, and I saw my big ass norepinephrine dick manifested as rainbow hand growing six feet from out my dick. Sombitch. WTF! I took 80 mg oral 2C-C. I was bored on 150 ug ETH-LAD. I saw a goofy looking rainbow Dragon curling and looking at me from the ETH-LAD and then I was like woah because I snorted 2C-C and shit went down. I played some COD. I puked from insufflating that 2C-C before I saw the rainbow dragon. My dog shat because he was weirded out by the 2C-C I took. A cockroach came at me for some reason. It scurried over my foot while I was on Modern Warfare so I stomped it out. 2C-C is some crazy shit. I took a bunch more 2C-C and kept tripping because it's more on 5HT-2C than 5HT-2A. I enjoyed it, but it was quite reckless. I didn't expect it to be a NRA; I only expected a rather psychedelic like 2C-B. I know 2C-B has some dopamine properties. Perhaps it is a DRA?

 

[woodyfence]

Nice
If you have 2C-D, I'd try adding something of that to the 2C-C, there's incredible synergy.

I definitely intend to combine 2C-D with 2C-C! I expect I will enjoy it enough to write something of the experience! I haven't acquired it yet, but it is on my wishlist!

 

[psy997]

Well, in my case I wouldn't say I lost interest in RCs, I'm just taking it easier than a few years ago. May I ask why you are only interested in plant based psychedelics, as opposed to lab made?

It's not a natural vs synthetic thing necessarily. It's more of an interest in using psychedelics in intentional, ceremonial settings vs recreational ones. And plant medicine is what's used for that. I do think there's something real in those compounds having been used for thousands of years for those purposes, too.

This really isn't cut and dry though, seeing as LSD + alcohol has been nice the past six months, and I do still have interest in reaching expanded states that aren't in a set container.

I think another part of it is that I simply regard the -DMTs and Mescaline as having a spiritual component not necessarily found elsewhere. Though, that may just be a result of bias related to what I said in the first paragraph.

I don't know.

 

[JackARoe]

@psy997 I know exactly what you mean. There are times I think natural psychedelics have a more teacherly vibe to them as opposed to just seeming like realizations. Like a kind teacher comes with the natural ones. Now I say that and I can say with LSD I have had teacherly trips too so I really don't know either. But there is something there I can't put my finger on but not always.

@Vastness I think I'll wait for the movie. :D (other thread)

 

[psy997]

@psy997 I know exactly what you mean. There are times I think natural psychedelics have a more teacherly vibe to them as opposed to just seeming like realizations. Like a kind teacher comes with the natural ones. Now I say that and I can say with LSD I have had teacherly trips too so I really don't know either. But there is something there I can't put my finger on but not always.

I do think LSD is special considering it's comparative usage in history vs other man-made psychedelics. Hell, it may even have a similar quantity of usage as traditional plant medicines, considering it's ubiquity in modern society.

I read something recently about someone having an experience on a plant medicine in which the medicine told him that the reason the plant medicines are medicinal is because powerful individuals a long time ago used them and morphogenetically sculpted their essence more to that use. Or something like that.

 

[Img_9999]

I think I consider Shulgin a powerful enough individual to appreciate all his creations as sacraments haha.

 

[cosmic charlie]

I'd gone through periods where I only used natural psychedelics, they do have a certain spiritual component to them that's hard to dent. Though I do find that in one particular synthetic Trypamine as well which is 4-AcO-DMT. That is one of the most powerful drugs around and the best anti-depressant/anti-addictive substance for me. Yes I can gain the same benefits from Mushrooms and I do but its deff there in that drug in spades. But yeah some of the other ones I can see as having less impact in that regard and can be easier geared towards recreation. But I've also had some extremely powerful and beneficial trips on 4-HO-MET and 4-HO-MiPT that left me with significant afterglow and helped my mental illness for weeks after the drugs effects worn off.

I feel like the Trypamines in general are more geared towards spiritual sorta epic journeys for me and find alot of the 4 subs to be useful therapeutically. All that said I am very drawn to trying Ayahuasca at some point in a ceremonial context or sounds like a really rewarding experience. I'm not sure about going to the Amazon or all that but I'd certainly like to do it in a group going in with set intention and what not. I've gotten off my blood pressure pills and may have to stop my lamictal for a period to avoid interactions, the later is what's been holding me back from an oral DMT trip but I wanna try it so badly it sounds like such a healing experience.

 

[Xorkoth]

When it comes to dicksizing, no one can touch Shulgin:

TiHKAL: 55 compounds, synthesized and many (most?) of them discovered by the Dr.
PiHKAL: 179 compounts, synthed and mostly discvered by him
Total: 234 - I asssume he sampled most of them personally. Plus whatever else he toyed with but didn't publish in those two books.

Little known fact: Shulgin's dick was nicknamed "Thick Slapper", on account of the sound it made while slapping his thigh as he walked.

I read something recently about someone having an experience on a plant medicine in which the medicine told him that the reason the plant medicines are medicinal is because powerful individuals a long time ago used them and morphogenetically sculpted their essence more to that use. Or something like that.

Yeah my thought is that each psychedelics (as well as psychedelics as a whole, and also any other sort of experience, ritual, etc) connect us to a sort of read-write shared consciousness space, so not only are we affected by the previous collective experience of others, we also add our own experience to that collective. Plant medicines tend to have been used ritualistically as sacraments, ie, important, central aspects of a peoples' spirituality and view on reality. By using those plants, we are tapping into that. We are also changing that space, as well, but the history of it is still there.

One of the reasons why RCs are so fascinating to me is that they are so new. Shulgin and his friends set the stage, and then in recent times, we have all contributed heavily to the "morphological space" (I don't really like that term much as it seems sort of... not hippy-dippy, pseudoscientific, but whatever, it's a good term for it). The internet greatly increases this sharing, as we read and write trip reports, which directly influence the expectations of others.

I think the same is true of ritual, and indeed, of culture in general. We each occupy the "morphological space" of expectations, worldviews, body language, slang, and so on, of the culture(s) we are a part of it. Not only do we occupy it, but we contribute to it, in the way that a drop of water contributes to a lake. Or in the case of some charismatic and influential people, in the way a rock in a creek alters the course of the flow of that creek. That space slowly changes over time, and it changes because of the collective contributions of everyone participating. So, too, I believe, does the psychedelic space slowly change over time. I believe that a person who trips for the first time today is going to be exposed to a somewhat different space than the person who tripped in 1967 for the first time. I have no proof of this, of course, but I believe it nonetheless.

 

[Deleted member 521610]

I believe a persons essence is infused into somewhat into the psychedelics when synthetically created by a chemist after all the batches of LSD i have done some have just seemed to have a certain karmic holy feel to them that let me with intense loving from the moment it started to take effect and even got feedback from many people who said the same about the batches. While certain batches from a certain group in europe have been the ones to show me demonic satanic visuals more than 50% of the time i have done them even though i had good set and same setting every trip. I know the northen cali group still make LSD ritually by praying over it and playing holy music and blessing it and Europeans do not.

Nick sands said orange sunshine had a certain special karma to it.

For natural plant based ones ayahuasca is prayed over for hours infusing the shamanic essence into the brew to try protect people from the dark side of the mind and reality. Mushrooms originally in mexico were only picked by a virgin women and prayed over for hours before ingestion aswell to ensure healing and good trips.

 

[Img_9999]

Little known fact: Shulgin's dick was nicknamed "Thick Slapper", on account of the sound it made while slapping his thigh as he walked.



Yeah my thought is that each psychedelics (as well as psychedelics as a whole, and also any other sort of experience, ritual, etc) connect us to a sort of read-write shared consciousness space, so not only are we affected by the previous collective experience of others, we also add our own experience to that collective. Plant medicines tend to have been used ritualistically as sacraments, ie, important, central aspects of a peoples' spirituality and view on reality. By using those plants, we are tapping into that. We are also changing that space, as well, but the history of it is still there.

One of the reasons why RCs are so fascinating to me is that they are so new. Shulgin and his friends set the stage, and then in recent times, we have all contributed heavily to the "morphological space" (I don't really like that term much as it seems sort of... not hippy-dippy, pseudoscientific, but whatever, it's a good term for it). The internet greatly increases this sharing, as we read and write trip reports, which directly influence the expectations of others.

I think the same is true of ritual, and indeed, of culture in general. We each occupy the "morphological space" of expectations, worldviews, body language, slang, and so on, of the culture(s) we are a part of it. Not only do we occupy it, but we contribute to it, in the way that a drop of water contributes to a lake. Or in the case of some charismatic and influential people, in the way a rock in a creek alters the course of the flow of that creek. That space slowly changes over time, and it changes because of the collective contributions of everyone participating. So, too, I believe, does the psychedelic space slowly change over time. I believe that a person who trips for the first time today is going to be exposed to a somewhat different space than the person who tripped in 1967 for the first time. I have no proof of this, of course, but I believe it nonetheless.

Yeah, I think this is very true. As we are building a body of collective experiences around this chems we are also creating expectations of what they do, that probably reinforces and amplifies the subjective effects attainable upon ingestion. I'm sure taking LSD now is very different to what it was in the sixties in the same way taking mushrooms as a city dweller in the XXI century is most probably quite different from taking them in a forest four centuries ago ... After all, the cultural landscape and mental paradigms in general an integral part of the "Set and Setting" part of the experience.

 

[JackARoe]

All this talk of collective experience reminds me of the morphonic resonance theory. And I remember Terrance McKenna saying ketamine seemed like a large empty room when he tried. And indeed that is what I experienced in 1990, when only a few people were experienced and it was not as popular as today. So with so many new experiences maybe I should check back. lol (that is all I need is another drug problem) I bet it would be a different experience filled with the collective visions of everyone that has gone there now and not be an empty room. And I agree, with all the RC's they are also not as new and have some morphonic resonence.

DM Turner died in a bathtub after doing ketamine. He had already had the warning to slow up. But my issue with saying that if he stopped he would be alive is we can say that with anything. Like a person that dies in a car crash we can say if he didn't get in the car. Granted there was a warning. But a deeper part of me believes we go when we go so I refuse to ever blame a drug. All they are are tools. You can take a hammer and build a house. Or you can take that hammer and hit yourself over the head and die. It is not the hammers fault. Yet we all get warnings in our lives when we should take a different route. So it is a toss up to what I believe.

 

[cosmic charlie]

One of my father's stories I always enjoyed was when he talked about using Ketamine back in the late 70's and them having people that were stealing it from the Great Adventure theme parks Safari which is pretty much a drive thru Zoo. Looking back I wonder how they even found out about that stuff. But he only tripped in the 60-70's so he had to have been doing it pretty early on as far as recreational use is concerned and he also used Phencyclidine back then. He talked to me about snorting the K and said that his group called it Monkey Dust as it was stolen from Zoo, lol.

Dude had some seriously wild stories he was a big time Dead Head and involved with LSD distribution. Really miss him man, but yeah anyways at least some people were using Ketamine back in the day even if it wasn't mainstream he told me that story when I was a little kid maybe like 12-13 years old. My family was a little unorthodox and when I started smoking Weed and tripping back then they didn't get on me too bad and my father tried to teach me about the truths of drug use and which ones were bad or good.

He got really upset with me when I started using Heroin at 17. But I remember the first time I came back to the house on LSD at 14 he knew right away I was on something, lol. He always loved talking about tripping with me but I couldn't get him to take anything as he got older and believe me I tried. For whatever reason he just stopped at and would just smoke Weed and Drink as he got older. He was pretty blown away by the RC scene tho and by the different drugs i could get my hands on. Sometimes we would snort Coke together and we smoked Bud everyday when I was growing up together like I said it wasn't like most people's relationship with their father most likely but it's what I knew and I wouldn't trade it for anything.

One week when I first got into MDPV he noticed I was twacked out and I got him to try some and he really liked it for the first few hours. But those of you that have tried it know the crash is way longer then Cokes and I had to give him something to comedown. One of his best friends he grew up with back in the day came over this one time and my father had me show him my psychedelic collection he really got a kick out of it.

I could tell you so many stories of when I was all wacked out on Psychedelics with my friends and he would come hang with us, he knew some BLers IRL that used to come to our house back then. We had a nice amount of property and I used to throw these big parties all the time and we had a fire pit and everyone would be on all kinds of drugs, good times. But yeah anyways point of this story was that I'm pretty sure at least some people have been using Ketamine for awhile now but like I said I doubt it was mainstream. My father was pretty well connected and talked about moving bales of Cannabis back in the day and etc. One time they broke one open he told me and there was a dead Rooster in it and they had to toss almost all of it, probably was coming up from Mexico.

 

[PYTH]

What's interesting is that I had very little framework for DMT or Ketamine and never really researched much before doing them for the first time... I definitely looked up usage and safety information but didn't have a ton of preconceptions about the subjective visual experience. DMT I guess I'd had more exposure to, you can't really get away from DMT influenced artwork, writing, etc.

It was alarming to dive in and later find trip reports that corroborated visual motifs, entities, etc. that hadn't been represented in the few things I'd seen or read. And some of the things I did expect to see (machine elves, etc.) I never have.

So I went in not completely ignorant but sort of naive. I'd done plenty of LSD, mushrooms, DXM, etc. by that point, which I guess are experiential reference points.

Yeah, I think this is very true. As we are building a body of collective experiences around this chems we are also creating expectations of what they do, that probably reinforces and amplifies the subjective effects attainable upon ingestion. I'm sure taking LSD now is very different to what it was in the sixties in the same way taking mushrooms as a city dweller in the XXI century is most probably quite different from taking them in a forest four centuries ago ... After all, the cultural landscape and mental paradigms in general an integral part of the "Set and Setting" part of the experience.

I sort of get that, there's very little represnted 'life' in a ketamine trip for me, and when there is it feels like a prop or piece of furniture... it's like travelling through endless empty spaces, but they're very visually rich empty spaces.

All this talk of collective experience reminds me of the morphonic resonance theory. And I remember Terrance McKenna saying ketamine seemed like a large empty room when he tried. And indeed that is what I experienced in 1990, when only a few people were experienced and it was not as popular as today. So with so many new experiences maybe I should check back. lol (that is all I need is another drug problem) I bet it would be a different experience filled with the collective visions of everyone that has gone there now and not be an empty room. And I agree, with all the RC's they are also not as new and have some morphonic resonence.

 

[Img_9999]

What's interesting is that I had very little framework for DMT or Ketamine and never really researched much before doing them for the first time... I definitely looked up usage and safety information but didn't have a ton of preconceptions about the subjective visual experience. DMT I guess I'd had more exposure to, you can't really get away from DMT influenced artwork, writing, etc.

It was alarming to dive in and later find trip reports that corroborated visual motifs, entities, etc. that hadn't been represented in the few things I'd seen or read. And some of the things I did expect to see (machine elves, etc.) I never have.

So I went in not completely ignorant but sort of naive. I'd done plenty of LSD, mushrooms, DXM, etc. by that point, which I guess are experiential reference points.

Yeah, that was kinda the same case for me with my first LSD trip. I guess drugs most probably have an inherent "content", but further culture/expectations around them further shape and round the experience.





May I share another song born during quarantine?

 

[Xorkoth]

May I share another song born during quarantine?

That's beautiful, man. Did you record all of the parts?