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[Jesusgreen]

Haha :D

Happy birthday Never :D

I'm sending my rolling vibes your way. If you don't get to celebrate it today, who cares? Do it another day and make up for it!!! :D

 

[Seyer]

Happy birthday Never! No need to get fancy on a birthday. For my birthday this last November, I just chilled at home and puffed some green. Then for the evening/night I did bumps of 2C-E. By far one of my best solo trips ever

 

[Jesusgreen]

2C-E is a great birthday trip man. My 18th was whiskey + 4-aco-dmt + 2c-e and it was brilliant :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBXncZJehC0

What's everyone up to tonight?

 

[pharmakos]

400mg powder DXM... found an old ipod i thought i lost, enjoying it

 

[zirbeldude]

Wow...jesus. first time mdma. enjoy yourself...probably it will never be as awesome as this time again. I'm a bit jealous *g*

Gratz @never

And yup. mxe tonight. was kind of a test run for this batch. Legen... wait for it....daaary.
Hope etizolam knocks me out soon.
was a very nice day. really. from getting up till now.
And tomorrow will be even more nice. Aiming for sobriety.

 

[Seyer]

Chillin, staying in tonight. Although a friend is coming over and bringing some herbals along with her beast steamroller :D

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

Thank you, thank you folks.

I'm always struck that the church just pats people on the back for aspiring to mediocrity. They always venerate Christ in such a way as to distance themselves from him and his teachings. Just make some references to his sufferings while saying oh we do bad things and should do better maybe. Fuck that. The man's life is the example for those who would follow him, he said to deny yourself and take up the cross. Not dress nicely and be talked at one day a week while making a small tithe. Which leads me into another thing I've been thinking about, how the Golden Rule (do unto others as you would have them do unto you) is the philosophy that was being fought against by Love thy neighbor as thyself.

The golden rule has some major loopholes, the first being Ayn Rand (hardcore individualists). People who say you only deserve what you earn yourself. The 1%ers the OWS movement talks about. The newly made internet/programming startup milloniare can say, hey I provided a valuable service, and that's why I have the wealth I have. So I do unto others likewise, my goldman sachs stockbroker provides a valuable service, as does Ferrari, and Armani and Michel Richard. I follow the golden rule. Now you, Mr. unemployed unskilled laborer, you don't deserve shit because you haven't bothered to offer a service or good that is valuable, and in fact you're spoiled as it is with the government giving you foodstamps to eat with, and not denying you emergency room care. And now you say I should pay from what I earned to support your lazy ass? How DARE you, you leech, you spoiled worthless thief! Biblically we list the Saduccees with this group, who denied the resurrection, and lived sumptuously while sucking up to the Roman occupiers.

The second loophole is Legalism. Folks who follow the rules (not just governmental statutes, but the rules of etiquette and propriety, social mores etc. etc.) and consider that what we owe each other. Biblically this would be the Pharisees, who followed the Law of Moses and the prophets to the letter. They would say, I give the required tithes to the temple, that some pittance be given the impoverished, I follow all the laws and commandments given to us, I am a good person. How dare you, Jesus of Nazareth, accuse me of being unust, is it MY fault that there are people in this world sick and impoverished. That's just the way the world is (/God made it), I do give what I ought, and some of that goes to support them, but because I enjoy the life given to me and don't work myself up into a fret for every bit of sadness in the world, you would condemn me? Should I be allowed no joy, to not take the fruits of my lawful righteousness? Fuck you man, you're crazy, let me be.

Jesus, on the other hand, maintains what I mentioned previously on the subject to be the case. We might quote any of the synoptic Gospels account of this dialogue

And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?

And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?

And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.

And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.

And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.

But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,

And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.

And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.

Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?

And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

^That's a lot of Ands and Buts starting sentences. Conjuction Junction, what's your function~
Haha, do you think I should post these ethics related speeches of mine in another thread perhaps? The ole' Psychedelic Ideas and Revelations Inaction one or something.

 

[PepperSocks]

Took mdma for the first time 2 hours ago.

OH MY GODDDDD

I love PD so much guys. You're the most amazing people. Hugs? :D

So gald to hear this, I hope it is everything to you as it was to me. But I have a feeling it's less about substance and more about the first 'door opening', which for me happened with MDMA.

MDMA will forever be one of the greats. It's an eye opening, life-affirming experience that many people can relate to (it's not so freaky and out there like LSD or tryptamines). In terms of a psychedelic with true potential to bring a higher level of peace and understanding to a large population, MDMA fits the bill best I think.

No one is free of those feelings, some just see the futility of acting upon them (as you said, use it productively).

Psox, will rebuking this person lead them to be better (/will they heed advice), if so tell them. If not, ignore it as best as possible. Anger and hatred are not effective tools to fight the anger and hatred in the world. Knowing this, try not to let it fester within you, wish in your mind that through grace they might learn better, then let go. Next time you meet them it'll all come back as strongly as ever, so forgive again as best you can. It's not easy to do so, but is doing the easy thing any better?

That's just my response to having the bureaucratic hammer come down on me. I calmly and logically argued a point but all I got in response was a brick wall of authoritarianism. It made me feel dispirited, ineffectual, and anger for the people who caused that is a proper human response.

Super high stress level with my recent obscene workload and short sleep hours were no doubt a factor.

Anyways, only 2 more labs with the douches and I'm done with them. All my other TA's are great.

In other news, I'm 22 today! And how do I get to celebrate? Coming on here and moderating (didn't see either generous tweaker nor stoner acquaintances while driving around). Yeaaaaah.

Happy birthday dude! :D

Hope etizolam knocks me out soon.

It's in my bloodstream at the moment too, good stuff (well, bad stuff). Over the day: Caffeine, amp, diaz, oxy, diaz, oxy, amp, beer, oxy, etiz, and ethylphenidate because I don't want to go to bed yet, but when I do I'll sleep like a stone.

A good night hanging with some peeps playing games. Now I'm watching Friday lol

 

[yucatanboy2]

Hey pepper, about your TA comment:

Sorry to hear that (I've been a TA and it goes both ways sometimes). Unfortunately, at most schools, TA's are grad students who don't get a lot of training in teaching in general, get a lot of grief from their boss about getting research/work done, and are told that TAing is just something you do to get paid while you focus on research/work and take the classes that you need to take. Sometimes TA's are jerks and take all their stresses and problems out on students (which I tried not to do).

@jesusgreen: awesome, hope you had a great time . What did you think?? HUGS!

@never: HAPPY BIRTHDAY DUDE!

Me, I'm in a good fucking mood. I just took some mxe, and had a really good psychedelic experience, which helped get me out of this recent funk I've been in. Sure, life's hard, but dammit we need to have fun.

I made irish carbomb jello shots for st. patty's day celebrations tomorrow.

 

[ColtDan]

Hello everybody,

Oops ive been chatting a lot in the big and dandy MXE thread... and got an infraction lol. wish i had known about this thread sooner. please to meet you all, gonna subscribe here

my apologies in advance for my love of the MXE afterglow... in the past ive mentioned it quite a lot. gotta love the ole sexy mexy afterglow. amazing stuff

anyways, hope you all have a good day

 

[pharmakos]

dxm is a booger picker's drug...

 

[Cyanoide]

Hello everybody,

Oops ive been chatting a lot in the big and dandy MXE thread... and got an infraction lol. wish i had known about this thread sooner. please to meet you all, gonna subscribe here

my apologies in advance for my love of the MXE afterglow... in the past ive mentioned it quite a lot. gotta love the ole sexy mexy afterglow. amazing stuff

anyways, hope you all have a good day

Well you don't have to be afraid of infractions if writing under the influence in this thread, as long as you don't spam ever other minute Some members just thought you posted too much while under the influence in the MXE thread, and you're messages were sometimes quite confusing. Anyway this thread is quite relaxed so you can write about just about everything.

Strange though you haven't noticed this thread after 5405 posts when it's a sticky :D

I made irish carbomb jello shots for st. patty's day celebrations tomorrow.

What on earth is a carbomb jello shot? Sounds like some kind of weapon.

 

[Cyanoide]

See, this is why I have little interest in trying stimulants. I want to have a productive life, and I can't imagine getting much done if I'm feeling empty, lethargic and uninterested.

This is exactly why I decided to quit using them. Stimulants make every day life extremely boring when you have no interest or motivation to do anything. Then the remedy is of course to take stimulants again, and life feels fine. Stimulants are nasty and change my personality in a negative way under the influence, since stimulants give a huge ego-boost. I clearly notice that messages written on this forum under the influence of stimulants are different from those written while being sober. The high on stimulants is not like the high on other drugs, since your mind is very clear and you can do every day tasks like being at work or eating dinner with relatives. You don't really feel intoxicated at all, rather you feel like you actually function better than sober. Which obviously isn't true.

I would lie if I'd say the aren't good for functionality, when you're tired after work but have to do something you don't want. For example showeling huge amounts of snow or mow the lawn. But those are things that just belong to every day life and has to be done, you shouldn't have to take stimulants to get things done. They are an easy fix for people like me who are a bit lazy at times.

I guess many have seen these picture but they illustrate in a good way the detrimental effects of stimulants. These are pictures of spider webs spun while under the influence of different drugs.

Normal web

Mescaline

LSD

Marijuana

Caffeine

Speed

Chloral Hydrat (sleeping pills)

Now I'm actually an arachnophobic but these pics are quite amazing. Look at caffeine and speed and compare them to mescaline and LSD.

 

[TheAppleCore]

^ Amazing pics indeed. Aesthetically, the LSD web is my favorite. :D Interesting that the angular dimension has been completely omitted, and the radial dimension is kept. I don't think any other web has done anything like that.

Which leads me into another thing I've been thinking about, how the Golden Rule (do unto others as you would have them do unto you) is the philosophy that was being fought against by Love thy neighbor as thyself.

The golden rule has some major loopholes, the first being Ayn Rand (hardcore individualists). People who say you only deserve what you earn yourself. The 1%ers the OWS movement talks about. The newly made internet/programming startup milloniare can say, hey I provided a valuable service, and that's why I have the wealth I have. So I do unto others likewise, my goldman sachs stockbroker provides a valuable service, as does Ferrari, and Armani and Michel Richard. I follow the golden rule. Now you, Mr. unemployed unskilled laborer, you don't deserve shit because you haven't bothered to offer a service or good that is valuable, and in fact you're spoiled as it is with the government giving you foodstamps to eat with, and not denying you emergency room care. And now you say I should pay from what I earned to support your lazy ass? How DARE you, you leech, you spoiled worthless thief!

To me, that's less of an indication that love thy neighbor as thyself is in direct contradiction with the Golden Rule, but more of an indication that the Golden Rule can be quite loosely interpreted. The hardcore individualists would have others do unto them something very different than a socialist would.

In my opinion, there is little point in spreading humanity's collective resources thinly but evenly over all its members. Maybe it sounds cruel, but I might as well be honest -- I'd rather let some people starve so that others can live sumptuously, than force everyone into a just mediocrity out of compassion. You can either have compassion for the poor, or compassion for the wealthy.

Of course there are some levels of obscene wealth that I would consider abhorrent. Everything within reason.

 

[stardust.hero]

Strange though you haven't noticed this thread after 5405 posts when it's a sticky :D

I think people tend to ignore pink sticky threads as being "rules". I know I've done that with sticky threads a lot .

 

[TheAppleCore]

Wow! I am looking out my window right now at some magnificent rains! (Excuse my excitement, I live in a desert.) It's really pouring. I am assuming you are enjoying (or detesting) the same weather, Never.

Not a bad day for tripping, if I do say so myself. I think I'll play the piano a bit, and eat some miprocin.

 

[Cyanoide]

^
Enjoy the rain. It's raining here too, but it's dark and the nights are still mostly sub-zero °C so it'll probably turn into rain and snow mixed or snow later. Then it melts tomorrow morning again.

I've forgot how much I like beer. Usually I'd be high on MXE at this point. I'm really enjoying my cold beer and planning on how to furnish my new flat where I'm moving after a month.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

To me, that's less of an indication that love thy neighbor as thyself is in direct contradiction with the Golden Rule, but more of an indication that the Golden Rule can be quite loosely interpreted. The hardcore individualists would have others do unto them something very different than a socialist would.

In my opinion, there is little point in spreading humanity's collective resources thinly but evenly over all its members. Maybe it sounds cruel, but I might as well be honest -- I'd rather let some people starve so that others can live sumptuously, than force everyone into a just mediocrity out of compassion. You can either have compassion for the poor, or compassion for the wealthy.

Of course there are some levels of obscene wealth that I would consider abhorrent. Everything within reason.

Oh I would definitely agree that forcing anyone to do anything is wrong, and really impossible. My point is that as a personal standard those loopholes make a bad moral standard. They make it incompatible with a philosophy of compassion and non-attachment.

It was always individuals exhorted to do these things, do what you can to make the world better is all you can do. I'm of the opinion that politics as engaged by most persons is just an excuse for them to do nothing, and have someone else to blame for the ills of the farce they call society. By not opposing evil one contributes to it (haha, major hypocrisy in my part, I need to change that or else I'm the worst of us all).

And the rain is indeed great, considering dosing some 2c-e myself, since it is all I have on hand. Or maybe I'll just read more Herman Hesse and Ken Kesey (last time was Pictor's metamorphis & other fairy tales, and one flew over the cuckoo's nest. This time Rosshalde and Last Go Round)

 

[TheAppleCore]

^ (EDIT: for Cyanoide) I quite like a bit of alcohol from time to time. I drink about once a week. I've noticed that tolerance is very real with alcohol. If I go for a good 1-2 weeks without a drink and then have as little as two glasses of wine, I am able to enjoy a wonderful, surprisingly strong intoxication. Whereas if I start drinking multiple times per week, the positive effects are very subdued.


Been about an hour since I ate 20mg 4-HO-MiPT, just ate another 20. Hopefully this doesn't turn into a repeat of your experience, Cyanoide, heh. I'm feeling that hallmark tryptamine sexual energy right now. At this point in my experience with trypts I can fairly confidently say that they are extremely sexy drugs. I'll have to find me a similarly inclined lady to eat miprocin with one o' these days. :D

 

[TheAppleCore]

I'm of the opinion that politics as engaged by most persons is just an excuse for them to do nothing, and have someone else to blame for the ills of the farce they call society.

Wow, very cool, I'm definitely resonating with that.

By not opposing evil one contributes to it (haha, major hypocrisy in my part, I need to change that or else I'm the worst of us all).

That's O.K. It's quite possible to have philosophical views that contradict your own actions, I am also a living example. :D I've, in the past, said something along the lines of, "the part of me that controls my mouth is not the part of me that controls the rest of my body."

Anyways, I think I worded my previous post incorrectly. Putting aside any controversies about government imposition of morals, I don't even think that a wealthy individual is behooved to donate anything to the hungry.