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Where does the 3 come from? I can understand the 1. Maybe it's the way you worded it, or maybe my tiredness (and general fail at chemistry ;))?

Sorry for the dumb questions, but I haven't touched a chemistry book since 3 years ago, and even then I was only 16, so I'm more than a little rusty.
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You got me, sorry for the choice of words, made it looking even more complicated than it already is. There are no dumb questions ;)

As pointed out, "-ol" can refer to five membered rings containing one or more non carbon atoms. For making up the systematic name, at first one acts as if all five atoms were carbons. Then one indicates which carbons are replaced by what kind of heteroatom, in the actual compound. So, in [1,3]dioxol the first atom, the one where you started counting, is actually a oxygen; the second atom isn't changed, but the third is again a oxygen atom.

Hope that made it clearer.

Roger: I recently stumbled over something during a lecture that made me laugh out loudly: "computational evidence".

One more stressful week at the university for me. Holidays badly needed.
 
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Aha! Thanks yes that makes a whole lot more sense to me. More chemistry videos and drawing structures today I expect, but I have D&D in a couple of hours so I might not get much done.

In other news, I'm enjoying the AM-2201 I purchased, seems quite a well rounded high - I'm a bit confused by how everyone seems to have been saying it came on pretty much instantly though, as my two experiences so far it's taken 5-10 minutes to kick in, actually a little longer than JWH compounds.
 
^ how does it compare to a cannabis high ?????

i am wondering whether synthetic cannabinoids could be useful in the future; they are easier to produce on mass then cannabis and you could produce a careful, specific mix of synthetics thereby allowing the cannabis highs to be predictable, of course unlike the unpredictability of the ever-dynamic chemical composition of plant matter.
although of course people have already thought of this

this video is a 4 minute clip of a lady being injected with pure THC then THC with a bunch of cannabinoids; the results are predictable
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGr0ne9FHOM
i am wondering whether, if she was better at controlling her mind, she could potentially enjoy the pure THC high ??
 
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Okay another chemistry noob question.

Today rather than drawing molecules from their systematic names I'm trying to work out systematic names from the molecules - worth noting, I was never taught systematic naming at school, just common naming, so I only have 15 minutes of Googling under my belt.

Anyway I'm trying to name the following:
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I'm not sure if when going alphabetically you count the "cyclo"? Also I've heard that in cases like this where there are two of your first group (cyclobutyl), you first take the one closest to an alkyl chain, e.g. the one on the right?

If so, you'd end up with:
1,6-dicyclobutyl-7-cyclopropyl-2,4-bis(2-methylpropyl)cyclooctane

No?

It's just if I used the numeric method where you start from each and work your way around, adding the numbers each way, you end up with: 1+2+4+5+7=19 and 1+2+4+6+7=20, so that would suggest you'd start from the cyclobutyl on the left, which'd leave: 1,4-dicyclobutyl-2-cyclopropyl-5,7-bis(2-methylpropyl)cyclooctane.

I'm not sure which is right. Any good resources for reading up more about naming and drawing based on names? I'm just randomly googling atm.

If anyone's curious, I'm not actually studying for school as I'm not in education any more, but given my interest in drugs etc, and how much I used to enjoy chemistry, I feel it'd be a good place to put some time into studying myself :)

Oh and as for AM-2201 comparing to Cannabis. Like all synthetics, it feels more focused on particular areas rather than the more all-rounded Cannabis high. Cannabis affects way more receptors than just CB1 and CB2, so this is understandable. It feels like a nice hybrid high, but treat it as a different drug to weed and you'll enjoy it more. It also feels quite dissociative at higher doses. :) Interestingly the anxiety is almost non-existent so far with this one for me, I suspect people getting it are dosing way too high.

Edit: Another thing worth mentioning about AM-2201. Both nights that I've smoked it I had many extremely vivid clear dreams, including a lucid dream each night. This is very unusual for a cannabinoid for me, as cannabis makes me have very cloudy dreams, and usually I forgot most/all of them.
 
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i am basic with chemistry but i found your above drawing amusing like a little space man ! =D

Jesusgreen said:
Edit: Another thing worth mentioning about AM-2201. Both nights that I've smoked it I had many extremely vivid clear dreams, including a lucid dream each night. This is very unusual for a cannabinoid for me, as cannabis makes me have very cloudy dreams, and usually I forgot most/all of them.
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mmmm yes this is extremely interesting. i suppose different cannabinoids can create different effects entirely - we could isolate the hunger cannabinoid for the anorexics, a relaxing cannabinoid for the overworked, a motivating cannabinoid for the lazy, an anti-psychotic cannabinoid for the mad, something effecting blood sugar for the diabetics, etc etc etc; i think there's real potential there and it excites me. i suppose SATIVEX is already pushing this kind of thing

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it's all in the BALANCE !
 
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Haha well if you're wanting to be overly systematic then I suppose you don't use those (I don't honestly know, but being surrounded by chemists all the time everything is referred to by those names, you won't typically say 2-methylpropan-2-ol you say tert-butanol)... but that kind of naming is as good as any chemist will use, there's really no reason to be overly clunky with your naming. Why all this practice in super drawn out IUPAC naming anyway? Most chemists won't even be practiced in that..

And even using a structure->name converter like is built into chemdraw will use iso/tert/sec terms often enough.

Edit: and I would think your second name is correct, you want the numbers to be as small as possible.

Also now having read your post all the way through... I would focus on other aspects of chemistry to learn up on than naming. That will be a very minor portion of an organic chemistry course anyway. I would instead start learning about different types of reactions and how to draw reaction mechanisms as this will be the more difficult areas to do well in.
 
Very true, nomenclature's just there to make sure people understand each other conveniently. Getting used to its basics is important but the behaviour and properties of molecules is way more interesting :)

A good starting point for organic chemistry are alkyl halides, read how they are made, and what reactions they undergo.
 
I'm mostly learning this kind of thing so I can understand a chemical more just by seeing a picture or it's name. I think without that, the rest would be a lot more difficult to grasp - plus, it's fun and interesting to me (oh if only I had that attitude back when I was doing chemistry at school! ;))

Thanks for the suggestions, I'll do some reading :D

PS can you draw haloalkanes aka alkyl halides in the same way? I'd assume so but can't find any examples.
 
Mr Christ sir, I think you might enjoy this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_chemical_compounds_with_unusual_names =D
lookit lookit, the funny shapez!!

So, I had my first martial arts 'friendly' fight tonight to close the sesh - have not had much general training experience but apparently I'm advancing like a mofo and did pretty well against someone who's got like a year or more on me. I'm so proud! Still lost though, but at the start I got some really sweet moves that pissed him off. It was an ex-colleague of mine, became a friend fast and was the reason I joined. I tried keeping up and did, very correct counter moves and proper blocking... but the last 30 seconds I was exhausted (mind you this was at the end of heavy training) and he just lunged at me with flurries lol.

It's called pencak silat by the way.

Hey, I have been thinking about getting tattoos for a while now. One good reason is to symbolize one crazy phase in my life and now cleaning up my act totally. I am being redirected to an addiction clinic where they will help me taper off from my current daily 12 mg dose - I already started the Ashton scheme... but also I will probably get help with the general drug-seeking mentality. I fully agree, have gotten off shit like stims because I am fucking fed up, and I am tapering benzo's because I simply do not want to be dependent. Problem is though, I still got this mode that makes me think like: oooh modafinil will come in handy right now. And tbh I am getting ketamine cravings again after not having thought about them for quite a long while.

Anyway it will be shitty to confront this but I think it's a very good thing.

I still feel though, that psychedelics are special. Another long break like before is probably best for me, just not to confuse myself about what is okay and what is not... but at some point I will pick up tripping again and monitor my mental health (which, I feel, if anything improves with them IF they are not used inappropriately and IF I make sure not to get into a hellish setting like one traumatizing mosquito raid - long story).

So to return to the tattoos, I won't do that before I get into at least moderate shape again and work out semi regularly. I don't need to be super buff, but if I would do it right now it would be too junkie-style.

Anyway I would like to put one on each arm: the first and second law of thermodynamics combined with a Sphongle line. I don't mean to borrow from them (i.e. shame it's unoriginal) but it is just too beautiful to let it stand in the way I think.
Also combining it with the laws of thermodynamic is not something they did.

So on one arm the first law - 'conservation of energy': the tat would be the formula for it and the text "NOTHING IS LOST"
On the other arm the second law - 'entropy': the tat would be the formula for it and the text "NOTHING LASTS"
I probably would not want the formulae to be that big, I'd feel too nerdy and it's symbolic anyway.

I really have no idea IF and WHEN, but this sounds perfect to me - like a conclusion of years of tripping, a recurrent theme. I also am not sure if I would want them on my upper part of the arms or lower part. I really prefer the lower parts. And regarding jobs, worst thing that could happen is to have to wear long sleeves in summer right?

In general I am doing better and better - so a good time to do this would be if I both feel like I deserve to physically manifest a form of closure, I feel okay now in the sense of stabilized... but not yet free from the urge to self-medicate left and right. When I have swapped some of that for good things like working out and martial arts and cranking up the creative output and keep it up for a nice while - then. Then.
 
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i can think of one tat i'd really like to have but i wouldn't get it unless i somehow won the lottery or some shit and had enough cash so that i'd never need to work/get a job.
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would be the tattoo, i dunno about whether or not i'd want the 2nd molecule, depends on if i were able to use it moar....i'd wanna get it on my chest like where my heart is.
 
Broke my computer while blacked out the other day (second computer I've done this with, this time from toppling over the desk it was on). Add in vomiting all the next and still being a lil' hungover the day after that, haven't had time to secure more internet access 'till now...in other words, same old, same old. :\
 
never you get dat meff, we'll smoke a few fat bowls, then we can go steal car radios and shit to get you the cash for a new computer.
 
Flights to England booked :D heading over from the 27th to the night of the 4th. It'll be nice to see all my old friends again, and I'm looking at maybe obtaining some MDMA and DMT in that time. Fun times ahead! :D

In other news the wind outside is crazy, I've never experienced winds this bad, sounds like a train going by the window, repeatedly..
 
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