Jamshyd
Bluelight Crew
Like I said in almost all discussions concerning K analogues, I personally do not see the point in increasing the analgesic effects.
Methoxetamine is interesting, but I still find it inferior to K in all respects except hedonism.
I guess I'll have to repeat once more, that to me anaesthesia (no-sensing) is a very, very, very different thing from analgesia (no-hurting). The former is seen in Nitrous Oxide, the latter in Aspirin and Morphine. I think we can agree that these two things are very different.
(I think I need to save my anaesthesia/analgesia shtick and use it for c/p since it seems no one takes note of it no matter how many times I repeat myself
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Interestingly, Methoxetamine is FAR more analgesic than K, yet is completely devoid of anaesthesia.
With that said, I think that anaesthesia - sensory deprivation - is a very important part of the shamanistic aspect of Ketamine's entheogenic effects. Ketamine is unique in that it produces such strong anesthesia while preserving consciousness. People who are trying to make a more psychedelic-like Ketamine have the wrong idea as far as I'm concerned. If you want quality psychedelics, go play with ergolines
. Mind you, anaesthesia is not the only good thing about Ketamine. IME, Nitrous Oxide is a stronger anaesthetic than K, yet it lacks much of the latter's usefulness.
I personally do not care about making money. I don't mind it if a quality ketamine analogue happens to be less potent. My concern is bringing to attention the medicinal qualities of Ketamine or a superior analogue should one be found.
What I personally look for in a K analogue - one which preserves the anaesthetic qualities of K - is the following (in order of importance):
1. Less renal toxicity.
2. Slightly longer duration.
3. Less habit-forming
4. More pronounced/enhanced overall effects.
5. (Theoretically) - a medicine that retains all of K's qualities but circumvents its stigma to allow further research into its miraculous therapeutic effects.
From your description, it seems that N-ethylnorket comes very close to fulfilling some of the above (2, 4, 5), and (1) particularly if we were to accept the theory that renal toxicity is due to norketamine (unconfirmed, afaik) and that the N-Ethyl homologue circumvents this metabolic step. If anything, this compound will help prove or disprove the theory surrounding renal toxicity.
As you may have guessed for now, I actually think K is wonderful as-is. It is the little details that I think can be improved to create a better sacrament and medicine - euro vendors be damned
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Methoxetamine is interesting, but I still find it inferior to K in all respects except hedonism.
I guess I'll have to repeat once more, that to me anaesthesia (no-sensing) is a very, very, very different thing from analgesia (no-hurting). The former is seen in Nitrous Oxide, the latter in Aspirin and Morphine. I think we can agree that these two things are very different.
(I think I need to save my anaesthesia/analgesia shtick and use it for c/p since it seems no one takes note of it no matter how many times I repeat myself

Interestingly, Methoxetamine is FAR more analgesic than K, yet is completely devoid of anaesthesia.
With that said, I think that anaesthesia - sensory deprivation - is a very important part of the shamanistic aspect of Ketamine's entheogenic effects. Ketamine is unique in that it produces such strong anesthesia while preserving consciousness. People who are trying to make a more psychedelic-like Ketamine have the wrong idea as far as I'm concerned. If you want quality psychedelics, go play with ergolines

I personally do not care about making money. I don't mind it if a quality ketamine analogue happens to be less potent. My concern is bringing to attention the medicinal qualities of Ketamine or a superior analogue should one be found.
What I personally look for in a K analogue - one which preserves the anaesthetic qualities of K - is the following (in order of importance):
1. Less renal toxicity.
2. Slightly longer duration.
3. Less habit-forming
4. More pronounced/enhanced overall effects.
5. (Theoretically) - a medicine that retains all of K's qualities but circumvents its stigma to allow further research into its miraculous therapeutic effects.
From your description, it seems that N-ethylnorket comes very close to fulfilling some of the above (2, 4, 5), and (1) particularly if we were to accept the theory that renal toxicity is due to norketamine (unconfirmed, afaik) and that the N-Ethyl homologue circumvents this metabolic step. If anything, this compound will help prove or disprove the theory surrounding renal toxicity.
As you may have guessed for now, I actually think K is wonderful as-is. It is the little details that I think can be improved to create a better sacrament and medicine - euro vendors be damned

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