Palestine discussion
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That's not nothing. It's a blockade, people are starving. Any amount of food helps.
You say that, yet most of the governments of the world are complicit.
They didn't necessarily accomplish anything with it, but they definitely highlighted where people's priorities are, and that Israel really doesn't care about international law, as if that wasn't totally clear already.
I mean how do you propose anyone help those people though? How does anyone get food to those people without literally doing something like this? Isn't there a blockade going on, people can't come or go? The right thing to do would be to just let Israel finish the job and all those people die? Because that's what's going to happen if they have their way, their government has blatantly said as much.
There's no actual crime here on her part or anyone else on the flotilla. The actual crime is mass murder and famine, so personally that's the only thing I'm willing to criticize.
I mean, by all of this logic, why do anything at all? Why care about government surveillance? Why care about mass incarceration? Why care about genocide, why care about any type of government or political overreach? Why care about freedom of speech or the right to assemble? To me it seems like any political expression or activism is just going to be deemed as attention seeking by some people.
I mean, have at it, I'm just pointing out that sending humanitarian aid isn't a crime, and you cant actually know these people's motivations. You're pasting your own perception of the world and of political action onto them.
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I would also argue that, when you have a big platform like she does, taking direct action like this, isn't nothing. It will likely encourage others to take similar actions, and if the goal is to bring people food, that's not a bad thing.
Yes, her proclaimed actions were to enter Gaza to deliver aid to the population
That population which is under active ethnic cleansing and genocide, as proclaimed by leaders of Israel
ethnic cleansing isn't a war, its not a warzone its a slaughter house. she's definitely braver than any of us to try and actually do something
every action that Israel takes is not justified just because they claim it is
That population which is under active ethnic cleansing and genocide, as proclaimed by leaders of Israel
ethnic cleansing isn't a war, its not a warzone its a slaughter house. she's definitely braver than any of us to try and actually do something
every action that Israel takes is not justified just because they claim it is
Much much more than anything you've accomplished with regards to Israel/Palestine.
We're talking about it, aren't we? That's increased awareness.
So sitting idly by is a preferred method of protest? She chose to take action - that's more than most people have done. Just because you might find her annoying or perhaps are envious of the attention she gathers, doesn't make her actiosn pointless.
History will remember her far more than history will remember you or I. That's not insignificant.
Your thoughts and 2$ won't feed a person in Gaza for a day.
Didgital
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Again, I refuse to get pulled into divisive discussion here over what the crimes against humanity Israel is committing.
I never said Greta is stupid and I do consider her brave. But not for this. When you calculate the odds, knowing you're 99% more likely to get peacefully arrested and immediately released where is the real risk in that? All I said is she should spend a week in jail. I never even said prison, i never said torture. @someguyontheinternet extrapolated from my words.
Israel made a calculated decision to merely confiscate, deport. It wouldn't do them any good on the geopolitical stage right now to be heavy handed with a group of peaceful but naive activist. Had it made sense to them, Madleen would be on bottom of the Mediterranean and everyone would be dead because we've all seen and know how much respect Israel has for anyone perceived as an enemy.
Most people born in recent history have come to the realization that it is impractical if not impossible to just stop human course, much less reverse it, even if it is better in the long run for humanity. I don't jive with extremists on either side of the political spectrum.
This was meaningless distraction and if she inspired other people to do other stupid meaningless actions, then I would say she actually detracts from the overall cause.
I never said the aid meant nothing to those 2250 people. I DID say that any aid helps and also that those 2250 people would have probably gotten aid much quicker had they just donated it or even better, smuggled it in discreetly. That would have actually been helpful and brave. That would have been an actual risk. But no. She expected and planned to get intercepted to make a statement.
I never said Greta is stupid and I do consider her brave. But not for this. When you calculate the odds, knowing you're 99% more likely to get peacefully arrested and immediately released where is the real risk in that? All I said is she should spend a week in jail. I never even said prison, i never said torture. @someguyontheinternet extrapolated from my words.
Israel made a calculated decision to merely confiscate, deport. It wouldn't do them any good on the geopolitical stage right now to be heavy handed with a group of peaceful but naive activist. Had it made sense to them, Madleen would be on bottom of the Mediterranean and everyone would be dead because we've all seen and know how much respect Israel has for anyone perceived as an enemy.
Most people born in recent history have come to the realization that it is impractical if not impossible to just stop human course, much less reverse it, even if it is better in the long run for humanity. I don't jive with extremists on either side of the political spectrum.
This was meaningless distraction and if she inspired other people to do other stupid meaningless actions, then I would say she actually detracts from the overall cause.
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That is super clear to anyone paying attention. So yes we can agree, she didn't do anything. She didn't highlight anything beyond her desire to remain the poster child of the global environmental revolution. She thinks that without her, the millions of people across the globe that actively resist totalitarian practices while engaging in REAL risk would be lost or unable to act without her?
Get out of here.
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Is she? Israel Palestine is one of the most famous conflicts in human history. It's been the lead story on the news for going on two years. Every young person has a phone in their hand at all times. Do you genuinely think there was a significant amount of people she enlightened?
Why not just make a donation directly to the WFP rather than this?
Seems like perhaps she gets a slight thrill from being the center of attention?
Israel has been saying that every step of their genocide is a "calculated decision" but those calculated decisions have been resulting in genocide and ethnic cleansing. I don't think that it is reasonable to give Israel the benefit of the doubt
Israel has been severely limiting the amount of aid being delivered, there are trucks still waiting. would Greta's supplies just be in that line? how does that help anything when Gaza needs over 200 trucks of aid per day and Israel is letting in 9?
Didgital
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Everyones talking about it. So therefore every bit of awareness/discussion focused on her stupid mission is a bit of attention away from whats actually important, ie the deaths of palestinians that are probably happening this moment. I regret bringing it up for that single fact.
I just think she should spend a week in israel jail.
You wanna who was brave? Someone who actually took a risk?
Alexei Navalny - Wikipedia
I'm of the realist/pessimist opinion there isn't much the average person can do about it except vote. It sucks, but that's the reality of war or genocide or whatever word you want to use.
I think the US needs to spank Israel, but the geopolitical ramifications of that are complex.
I didn't say she was some criminal or bad actor. My opinion amounted to me essentially calling her a dork.
I do think that it shows that someone's trying to do something rather than just give money or smash that like and subscribe. Actions are powerful.
You'd have to ask her - my guess is that she feels compelled to take a more significant action.
Maybe? Or maybe she believes in trying to alter the course of history. I mean... why be jaded?
Yet here you are.... can't help yourself can you?
Making a statement gives people hope.
Sometimes people feel called to do more than the bare minimum (giving donations/giving aid through established channels. Those established channels are also the ones that are resulting in people being shot and killed when attempting to access aid. Also, the US and Israeli government are the ones doing it and let's be real, neither two are halmarks of humanitarian considerations at this time.
Maybe. Still - it caused people to take note and probably meant something to the people in Gaza who are suffering under a lot more than you or I ever will know.
Didgital
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Again. I'm not talking about Israel. I'm talking about Greta and how I think she's ineffectual and detracting from the problem. You keep bringing up and focusing on Israel's crimes. I don't think you've mentioned greta once?
Didgital
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Here is my response to your entire post.
That's a big balls martyr right there. Going up against Putin, not just thinking, but knowing your life will end in a gruesome death or the rest of your life in gulag.You wanna who was brave? Someone who actually took a risk?
Alexei Navalny - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Didgital
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