Palestine discussion

[Didgital]

That's a big balls martyr right there. Going up against Putin, not just thinking, but knowing your life will end in a gruesome death or the rest of your life in gulag.

yeah i don't want to derail thread. But that's a fucking statement. Not saying you need to set yourself on fire to make a real statement.

Greta's statement was weak, ineffectual and ultimately more of a show than an actual attempt to help the Palestinian people.
She's entirely unwilling to compromise on any issue, and that there is only one right way to act, so I can't be sure she's supportive of anything besides some other form of autocracy. She's a fanatic.

 

[tryptakid]

Here is my response to your entire post.

Great, so you've got nothing. Thanks for coming out!

 

[tryptakid]

yeah i don't want to derail thread. But that's a fucking statement. Not saying you need to set yourself on fire to make a real statement.

Greta's statement was weak, ineffectual and ultimately more of a show than an actual attempt to help the Palestinian people.
She's entirely unwilling to compromise on any issue, and that there is only one right way to act, so I can't be sure she's supportive of anything besides some other form of autocracy. She's a fanatic.

If she weren't a she, would you be so butthurt about it?

You don't seem to be railing on any of the other activists on there. Why is she the one that's got your panties in a bind?

 

[kiely]

Yup she moved on from Environmentalist. This is so sad. No actually, Tragic.


source:
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-ea...e-footage-greta-thunberg-selfie-yacht-riders/

okay moving on ....

 

[SeekingOblivion]

Did she eat the sandwich?

 

[kiely]

She's a Thug.

Is she Elon's daughter ... but that's changing the subject.

 

[mal3volent]

I do think that it shows that someone's trying to do something rather than just give money or smash that like and subscribe. Actions are powerful.

You'd have to ask her - my guess is that she feels compelled to take a more significant action.

Maybe? Or maybe she believes in trying to alter the course of history. I mean... why be jaded?

It feels like you might have missed my point. If her goal was actually to help feed hungry Palestinians, a monetary donation to the WFP would have been a million times more efficient. Everyone, including her, knew she wasn't going to make it to the shores of Gaza. In case you haven't heard, there is a naval blockade of that entire coastline. She knew with 100% certainty that there would be Israeli intervention. I tend to think that might've been more of the objective.

 

[SeekingOblivion]

It feels like you might have missed my point. If her goal was actually to help feed hungry Palestinians, a monetary donation to the WFP would have been a million times more efficient. Everyone, including her, knew she wasn't going to make it to the shores of Gaza. In case you haven't heard, there is a naval blockade of that entire coastline. She knew with 100% certainty that there would be Israeli intervention. I tend to think that might've been more of the objective.

Maybe she was saving her sandwich for the Gazans.

 

[Quasimoto]

“There are ways to deliver aid to the Gaza Strip. They do not involve Instagram selfies. The tiny amount of aid that was on the yacht and not consumed by the ‘celebrities’ will be transferred to Gaza through real humanitarian channels,” he said.

“To poor Greta, we say, who is really feeding Gaza, and who is feeding their own ego. When it comes to this flotilla, it wasn’t a flotilla, it was a selfie yacht. It was Instagram activism,” Mencer said.

"The Israeli Navy tried using loudspeakers to tell the Madleen it could lawfully dock and deliver its supplies at the port of Ashdod, but the activists refused to change course, instead posting social media video of themselves conducting “emergency drills” and sounding “alarms” as Israeli drones buzzed overhead."

Yeah, it was a show.

 

[someguyontheinternet]

Everyones talking about it. So therefore every bit of awareness/discussion focused on her stupid mission is a bit of attention away from whats actually important, ie the deaths of palestinians that are probably happening this moment. I regret bringing it up for that single fact.

I just think she should spend a week in israel jail.

You wanna who was brave? Someone who actually took a risk?

Alexei Navalny - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Again. I'm not talking about Israel. I'm talking about Greta and how I think she's ineffectual and detracting from the problem. You keep bringing up and focusing on Israel's crimes. I don't think you've mentioned greta once?

I'm asking why is it reasonable for Israel to stop aid to Gaza

 

[Didgital]

If she weren't a she, would you be so butthurt about it?

You don't seem to be railing on any of the other activists on there. Why is she the one that's got your panties in a bind?

Not going to comment on any statement that don't have a clear relationship to anything I've said thus far.

Until recently, I had never heard of any of the other activists' names including the EU diplomat which I did mention. Had you heard of any of them prior to this? Their names?

Greta has been in the news for years doing environmental work. She's now inserting herself into geopolitical conflict that's been going on for centuries that doesn't have a clear easy resolution.

Regardless I literally consider them all in the same boat.
EVERYONE onboard that ship knew it was destined to fail, and they knew by advertising an EU diplomat that Israel would have to play the PR game, which they did.. Probably the EU diplomat had the most to gain. Just wait a year or so when she comes back on whatever political platform she campaigns for next.....

Barely anyone else was mentioned by their name, just their nationalities.

I'm asking why is it reasonable for Israel to stop aid to Gaza

Ask Israel why it does the fucked up shit it does. I'm sorry if I inserted my negative comment about Greta, but she also inserted herself onto a geopolitical conflict thats been on going for centuries and that's what I was commenting on.




----- I say kill 2 birds with one stone (FIGURATIVELY!) We just move Israel to Florida but they have to keep the floridians.
(Very few birds were harmed in this statement)

 

[Fire&Water]

Hansa and Greta

 

[Quasimoto]

I'm asking why is it reasonable for Israel to stop aid to Gaza

That's a normalcy in war. I'm not saying it's a good thing or justified, only that it's normal. It's not some novel tactic.

Is it reasonable for Hamas to steal said aid for themselves? (As they routinely did/do... stealing aid from civilians and hospitals for the purpose of trying to genocide more Jews)

My point is that war isn't so black and white. You can't make one dimensional moral arguments like this in these situations, that's a cop out.

 

[Didgital]

She's basically the Kanye west of environmentalists for the 21st century.

"I am the voice of a generation!!!"

Anyway i regret i brought it up. Yall can go back to calling Palestinians and Israelis murderers

Man I hate being moderate.

it's actually somewhat normal as a moderate to be called an extremist, by both the left and the right political spectrums.

"If you're not with us, youre against us." is what both sides have always said w v little middle ground. So if you're in the middle, someone on the extreme left considers you on the right, and someone on the extreme right considers you on the left.

HISTORICALLY, both sides chip at the moderate, until there is nothing but "US or THEM" mentality.

In almost every modern extremist revolution that I can think of , the moderates are typically the 2nd to go after the initial objects of hatred.. teachers that teach moderation get executed by both sides. Because they tried to show 2 points of view.

In the midst or aftermath of a revolution, ANYONE who encourages active discussion in the wrong direction of the winner is usually considered an enemy. Expect to get slandered hard in the history books. (Trotsky)

So yeah double whammy, as a moderate you're gonna be hated by both extreme sides of the spectrum because you didn't agree with either.

One plus of being a moderate is knowing you're not alone in your thinking. But when political violence does eventually rears it's ugly face, expect +95% of moderates to choose one side over another, because they're essentially forced to out of fear. This isn't just me speaking. This is history over and over and over.

And @tryptakid talking about how history remembers individuals. --- Some people work for the betterment of humanity, some people work to get their names in the history books. There's plenty of overlap so again it's not black and white.
Some people have a "need" to leave a legacy and be remembered. Not everyone cares about how history books will be written.

Here's a shout out to the countless millions of people who lost their entire lives to making ours better and history doesn't know their names.

 

[someguyontheinternet]

and here's a shout out to everyone who is taking action to get our governments to stop the genocide rather than just telling people to vote

That's a normalcy in war. I'm not saying it's a good thing or justified, only that it's normal. It's not some novel tactic.

Is it reasonable for Hamas to steal said aid for themselves? (As they routinely did/do... stealing aid from civilians and hospitals for the purpose of trying to genocide more Jews)

My point is that war isn't so black and white. You can't make one dimensional moral arguments like this in these situations, that's a cop out.

you seem to think its justified otherwise you wouldn't be making excuses for Israel

something being done in the past isn't a reason to do it again

 

[SeekingOblivion]

Her “kidnappers” gave her a free ride home. No one wants her.

 

[Didgital]

and here's a shout out to everyone who is taking action to get our governments to stop the genocide rather than just telling people to vote


you seem to think its justified otherwise you wouldn't be making excuses for Israel

something being done in the past isn't a reason to do it again

Bluelight should have an unlike emoji. and moderators should encourage and guide open discussion, that's what moderation is.

Moderators should NEVER insert their own beliefs into the discussion, and if they do, they shouldn't do it with force/manipulation/intimidation, like some do here at every chance they can get. Most of the moderators here, I respect.

If a discussion gets ugly, a good moderator cuts off the discussion before it gets too heated and people start getting aggressive.

A bad moderator inserts their own view into that discussion, incites/manipulates other people to feel that view/viewpoint, modify or shut it down when there's a disagreement so they always feel like a winner.

As a previous mod, ive seen how petty people can be when things don't come out as they want.

 

[Mjäll]

If she weren't a she, would you be so butthurt about it?

You don't seem to be railing on any of the other activists on there. Why is she the one that's got your panties in a bind?

Lol what kind of lame crap shot is this

 

[Didgital]

and here's a shout out to everyone who is taking action to get our governments to stop the genocide rather than just telling people to vote

agreed. But i'm not patting internet warriors on the back here. Im shouting out to the people that have made real sacrifices. their lives, their futures. their children are gone... because of what they believed in.

I'm pretty sick of people in general, but i'm fucking more than sick (downright angry) of being told what to believe, how to feel, how to act, what to say.... and I'm really happy to be a regular bluelighter again, because I can say what I mean openly.

I'm not gonna feel bad because some BL keyboard warrior or a fake prophet like Greta want me to. Neither of these wannabe influencers takes actual risk yet they pass judgement.

Lol what kind of lame crap shot is this

A weak tactic to try steer the convo, ignore it

 

[Quasimoto]

you seem to think its justified otherwise you wouldn't be making excuses for Israel

This is a woefully lazy logical fallacy which puts words in my mouth and does nothing to progress the discussion. It's just as lame as when the conservatives here start throwing around insults instead of actually debating.

something being done in the past isn't a reason to do it agagain

I clearly stated I don't think it's justified, just normal. I don't think you would be able to run a country, especially during wartime. Life isn't all peaches and idealism. Humans suck.

There are some realities about life I think you need to come to terms with.