P&S Alternative Theories thread v. orange tang

[Psyduck]

have you considered there are people with similar skills who are using them for much worse purposes that does much more damage to the human species? All this is quite harmless ... Believing in Jesus never hurt anyone...

harmless, really?

You feel so unease with the idea because you are an eternal being. By the way, I feel a sense of euphoria imagining taking my last breath.

I don't understand why people feel so attached to these "flesh-suits" and feel they define them, never mind their existence being dependent on them.

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I tried to kill myself on benzodiapines last week so I should know

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Don't you see that all these crazy ideas get you too wound up? And sorry for all the people replying to her threads, unintentionally you are just throwing more heat on the fire and making "her condition" worse.

Ninae, do you really think I am just trying to make your life worse and bullying you? Don't you see that I am also worried about you? Your behavior is not normal and your "speculative theories" are not just harmless: they have a real negative impact on the world.

What if other people started to believe they lived in the 6th dimension and life here on earth does not really matter. Do WE just want to stand by idly and let these crazy ideas infect other people their minds?

 

[-=SS=-]

You're wasting your time psyduck. It will take someone close to her or a realization of her own that will make her reconsider her position. All I will say is Ninae, I think you should re-examine some of the tenets you hold to be true in your paradigm because from where I stand it seems you've taken a wrong turning somewhere. You shouldn't give up and go back to square one but think critically upon all the information and theories that have gone in to making up your paradigm, and you may find a new path that is more reconciled with "normality" whilst actually taking you further towards Truth. That's all I'm going to say.

 

[Ninae]

How come no one here seems to be able to tell the difference between what is just supposed to be a fun, adventerous thread, not to be taken too seriously, but more just more amusement and speculation because it is such an out-there subject (like ailan-landings, hollow-earth, elemental spirits, etc.)

I don't post these because I totally believe or claim to know much about them, but because it's good entertainment, and would find it interesting to exchange ideas about it. But everyone are so uptight, take everything hyper-seriously, and use it as an opportunity to bash all my beliefs and sanity, just making wild assumptions.

There's a difference between those threads and the more serious threads I make about connecting with Jesus, which is an experience I've shared with many others and am not alone in, and enlightenment of consciousness, where I feel I actually have something to contribute, even if there might be those who can't relate.

For what's it worth I had to go in for a psychiatric evaluation this week, and no one found anything wrong with me mentally. Stressed and emotionally unbalanced, yes, but considered rationally sound and normal.

It's just so over the top. Everyone sees everything in the worst way, apparantly gets very confused about a lot of things, and take things seriously I never meant them to as I also have a sense of humour. Of course in the middle of all this most of what I do have to say of value gets lost so I might as well not even bother.

 

[What 23]

Some might disagree.

I feel that any species that may land here will regard us as we regard ants scrambling about an anthill.

To some, ants are rather interesting creatures. Disinterest isn't such a specific sign of intelligence

We might also be an experiment. Might be directed. Humans study individual species of bacteria. Humans study DNA. Just because we can't see something in ourselves, doesn't mean something isn't there.

 

[alasdairm]

How come no one here seems to be able to tell the difference between what is just supposed to be a fun, adventerous thread, not to be taken too seriously, but more just more amusement and speculation because it is such an out-there subject (like ailan-landings, hollow-earth, elemental spirits, etc.)
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It's just so over the top. Everyone sees everything in the worst way, apparantly gets very confused about a lot of things, and take things seriously I never meant them to as I also have a sense of humour. Of course in the middle of all this most of what I do have to say of value gets lost so I might as well not even bother.

communication is a two-way street. perhaps you're not communicating very well?

alasdair

 

[Ninae]

My communication skills are one of my main strengths, though. I'm a trained writer and communicate very easily with people in person. You should have seen me dealing with doctors, psychiatric staff, and police this week - or I wouldn't even be here. I think the problem is more that many can't follow my unusual line of thought and get too overwhelmed with all the unfamiliar and un-orthodox ideas and speculation I put out there.

I just assume people will follow, but guess I could take time to clarify more. I think a big part of the problem lies on the receiving end too though.

 

[Ninae]

Can anyone take a look at this who might undertand a bit more about how alternative timelines work? Because this is a subject that seems to come up more and more these days and I can't say I can get my head around it. Are we supposed to presume we, or most of us, are living multiple parallel lifetimes on the same Earth?

And never mind the source, as there are endless sources.

http://spiritlibrary.com/starchild-global/earth-team-support-timeline-energies-and-the-ptd-effects

 

[ebola?]

Ninae, I think that people are consistently misunderstanding you because you claim to be lightheartedly entertaining the matter, yet many of your posts imply that you hold such beliefs with a lot more certainty. So of course these beliefs will be criticized. But then your response to such criticism further buttressed the misperception that you seriously hold these beliefs.

ebola

 

[Ninae]

But with matters as surreal as alternative timelines can't it be a bit of both?

Or wouldn't that be a logical response? You can wonder if there could be any truth to it but at the same time have no way of knowing. It's not like something like feeling Jesus' presence, which I know is a reality.

I wouldn't say I seriously hold all of these beliefs, more like I like to consider and explore them in my mind, and exposing the possibility of it to others.

I'm also interested to see if there are some who have some ideas and information for me as I know it's out there.

I do understand this would only be for a few specially interested.

 

[ebola?]

I was talking about the thread's primary topic.

ebola

 

[sekio]

I wouldn't say I seriously hold all of these beliefs, more like I like to consider and explore them in my mind, and exposing the possibility of it to others.

You sure don't do a lot of critical thinking, for someone claiming to be considering and exploring these viewpoints. It seems to me you're content to just accept and defend what you're told. There are a lot of big claims and not a lot of questioning.

Realistically though, you don't get to have your cake and eat it too. Either you seriously believe in the supernatural claims of others, or you don't. Trying to defend viewpoints you don't hold yourself is just arguing for the sake of argument.

If you want to expose others to this kind of thing, become a science fiction writer. Safer than being labeled a quack.

 

[Numb19]

(not that I support the imagery, but...)

Never trust. Just love.

I'm curious to know which translation that is from because I have read several and have not seen the world "deceiver" in any of them.

I also realize why whoever made that would leave the full verse from the Quran out as well: 3:54 And they planned [to kill Jesus], and Allah planned too. And Allah is the Best of the planners.

When you read the entire verse it is clear that Allah is planning/plotting against those who plotted to kill Jesus. I guess to some people that is satanic lol?

But hey, it does have the sensationalist imagery going for it.

 

[What 23]

But I can see also in the context plan works. Thanks for your attention to that.

 

[Ninae]

Mohammed, who got the Quaran inspired by Gabriel, defended Jesus as a great prophet and noble man who was unjustly killed, though.

He keeps saying "The one born of the virgin in Bethlehem, who was a divine man and prophet of great stature, but was rejected and killed by the Jews".

Or something like that.

 

[Ninae]

I think this whole thread have been in that category.

You sure don't do a lot of critical thinking

I actually do in most areas.

or someone claiming to be considering and exploring these viewpoints. It seems to me you're content to just accept and defend what you're told. There are a lot of big claims and not a lot of questioning.

You seem to be saying there's no value in anything I have to say no matter in what form. That is you're right to feel, but could be that not everyone sees it the same way.

And there's one thing that seems to elude you, which is that gaining spiritual insight isn't just about study, thinking, and accepting outside authorities or not. When you've reached some level of spiritual development most of the teaching comes from within, your higher self, guides, guardian angels, etc. and from observing things from the vantage of the higher aspect of yourself.

I do a lot of questioning, but that doesn't mean I can always arrive at a definitive answear. Can you tell us the real truth about any of these subjects so we can know what to think without doubt? And isn't this a Philosophy board?

Realistically though, you don't get to have your cake and eat it too.

No, but you can have a bit of both.

Especially when it comes to subjects that have thousands of references by countless sources from all over the world up through the centuries or millennea, and has had a great deal of human activity and money involved in it, but still the modern opposition is very strong and it's generally considered superstition or idiocy. It's enough to make you think once or twice.

You can be open-minded but a sceptic at the same time.

Either you seriously believe in the supernatural claims of others, or you don't.

No, I don't. I believe as I see fit. And try to see things through MY lense. Most of these claims are unclear and dubious and someone who just either believes or disbelieves is someone who can't think. That's how society teaches you to see things. I both do and don't believe in Christianity because of the nature of mass religions.

The fact is that there is no pure religion out there. What you mostly have is a few pearls thrown in with a lot of crap, and it's very hard for anyone to discern which is which, including myself. So I'm not going to make myself look stupid by pretending I so easily can

And either believing everything wholesale or rejecting all it not is not a sign of high intelligence, and definitely doesn't show much ability for critical or creative thinking.

Trying to defend viewpoints you don't hold yourself is just arguing for the sake of argument.

I never bring up anything I don't feel there's a chance could be some truth in, could be of some help for others, or at least be good for entertainment (though most don't seem to appreciate that).

If you want to expose others to this kind of thing, become a science fiction writer. Safer than being labeled a quack.

LOL. "Using the word "quack" in this way suggests you don't really have much spiritual faith, anyway.

I have Gabriel in my ear right now. He's trying to groom me into a little messenger-angel. He seems to consider it quite successful as we have a good telepathic connection and I feel strongly motivated to bring messages on to humanity.

It means I'm easily inspired, but it can be very intense and like a constant pressure on my mind. I'm still only a partly developed channel. I need to become a purer channel for the angelic kingdom.

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And before you say it, I think it's well known I don't care if people think I'm crazy, as long as I can share some experiences/information/inspiration that might be of help to them in their spiritual growth.

Most want humanity to remain unenlightened, things haven't changed much like that since the time of Jesus, and anything else has been made nearly impossible. But some of us have to have a go at cracking that mould.

I also think we see these things too differently for there to be much point of a debate to be honest .

 

[What 23]

The message Mohammad sends about Jesus, pertaining to him being killed by Jews, was that he was not killed. Instead, a look alike was crucified in his stead. Deception.

He claimed a lot about the earlier books was wrong. Meanwhile, he himself was led astray by "evil spirits", it has been said... Though his followers seem to think his Quran is perfect.

It's all dangerous. If I were an artist I'd consider the entire line full of errors and wipe it away and start over.

 

[rickolasnice]

I also think we see these things too differently for there to be much point of a debate to be honest .

Indeed.

In one corner we have the voice of reason.. in the other corner we have, well.. you.

I agree with Psyduck

As argued before: truth stands higher than tolerance. I am prepared to fight against people who are racists, sexists, anti-homosexuals... I am prepared to fight against people who think pseudo-science (e.g. homeopathy) can cure you. I am prepared to fight against the further dissemination of mass conspiracy and delusional theories. Personally, I think these things all do humanity more harm than good.

All you are doing is stunting critical thinking, education and reason..

You promote ideas that sometimes lead to robbery of the naive (paying for psychics, mediums, homeopathy, etc etc)

I haven't read a single post from you that could lead to someone becoming enlightened.

adjective
adjective: enlightened
having or showing a rational, modern, and well-informed outlook.
"the more enlightened employers offer better terms"
synonyms: informed, aware, educated, knowledgeable, learned, wise, literate, intellectual, tutored, illuminated, apprised; More
antonyms: ignorant, benighted
spiritually aware.
"we become enlightened in our relationship with God"

In any shape, form or alternate meaning of the word. If you feel differently I'd love for you to point me to a post of yours contrary to this.

 

[sekio]

You can be open-minded but a sceptic at the same time.

If you never run any experiments to try to falsify your position, you're not a skeptic...

If you can't prove nor disprove something, then it's a useless postulate. See also: Russel's teapot.

Some people speak as if we were not justified in rejecting a theological doctrine unless we can prove it false. But the burden of proof does not lie upon the rejecter. ... If you were told that in a certain planet revolving around Sirius there is a race of donkeys who speak the English language and spend their time in discussing eugenics, you could not disprove the statement, but would it, on that account, have any claim to be believed? Some minds would be prepared to accept it, if it were reiterated often enough, through the potent force of suggestion.

The idea that we can't know anything for certain is more of a Westerrn concept than you'd expect. It seems to me some of this is an argument to moderation.

people from the Western pluralistic civilization are more prone to this fallacy because they are used to resolving problems by making compromises and accepting alternative interpretations, unlike Russians who are looking for the absolute truth.

An individual operating within the false compromise fallacy believes that the positions being considered represent extremes of a continuum of opinions, and that such extremes are always wrong, and the middle ground is always correct.

 

[Ninae]

But how am I supposed to "run experiments" on things like time travel or civilisations within the Earth?

There is no such thing possible. All I can do is observe what others have said and found and use my own intuition.

I started this thread with a question because I wasn't going to pretend I had any sure way of knowing myself and was interested in what others had to say about it.

I do strongly agree with you on one thing though - the concept that there are no absolutes, everything is relative, and nothing can be known for certain. This has only served to keep us in ignorance stumbling around like scattered ducks on any subject. It doesn't matter how right a conclusion someone manages to come up with because everything can be questioned and is relative or subjective. So really there is no way of knowing anything at all.

I feel this was a concept deliberately introduced by those in knowledge to keep the ignorant ignorant never knowing anything for certain a long time ago. And it's been adopted by almost everyone so it's almost impossible to have a debate about anything and come up with any useful answear for anything at all.

 

[Ninae]

I haven't read a single post from you that could lead to someone becoming enlightened..

1. Spiritual enlightenment, or enlightenement through consciousness, is very different to "enlightenment" through wordly knowledge. I have seen some of that and that is more what I focus on. What I share of my personal experiences of the power of Christ is conducive to helping people in their spiritual enlightenment, just like anyone else who does.

2. You seem to trust the conventional "knowledge" or "science" given to you by this world and refuse anything that seems to be in opposition with that.

3. There are many good reasons for not doing above. Not because there's no worth in scientific knowledge, but because the little of it we are presented through the mass media is frequently very restricted, delayed, and plain wrong (deliberately or not). Just like religion has been manipulated for social/political/financial reasons. So there is just as much need for scepticism here, the concept is just not as well understood, or accepted.

All fields of knowledge are corrupt for all kinds of motives. If you think religion is any worse, you're seriously in the dark. Then again, most prefer living in the dark, as living in the harsh glare of reality is too uncomfortable for most.