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Oxycodone vs Heroin...

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Somethingelse3221

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Just had 800mg of codeine which is feeling pretty good as usual. I usually take it with 25mg of promethazine or doxylamine. Which feels as good as 20-35mg of Oxy to me.. anyways. Last night I IVed 60mg of Oxy. It had a kinda of rush that lasted a few mins. which i can describe as feeling drowsy really. I sometimes take it with a fair amount of valium, but not last night. Pretty good but not something that I would feel compelled to chase every day.
Ive had Heroin a few times but it's always been crap quality or I havnt had enough or something.
Ive chewed up up to 160mg of Oxy.
Anyways Ive heard how u shouldnt play around with H cuz it's really addictive. I dont really find Oxy addictive. Well if I had it I'd take it u know. but i dont go out my way to get it.
Just wondering how it compared to quality H. Am I half way there of a good bag shooting 2 30mg Oxys in a shot?
 
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Anon, how is this harm reduction? IV heroin is more intense than IV oxycodone, but they are a lot more similar when taken in ROAs other than IV.
 
why are u calling me anon?
sorry, I guess it's no really a HR question. I just wanted to get an idea of how strong heroin is. Im concerned at how addictive I might find it. atm im in control. I dont wanna loose control
 
IV Heroin > IV Oxycodone. Oxycodone should just be eaten, high BA and lost longer. Oxycodone is nowhere near as euphoric, just my .02
 
Umm. lol, to me it all really depends on how tolerant you are. I had a really nasty addiction to oxycodone at one point, roughly 160-190mg daily. IV oxycodone would last per about 15-30 minutes, per 30mg. Everybody is different tho'. And really with IV oxycodone, unless you IV 60-90mg at once... it is hard to really even notice that you just IV'd oxycodone, it is just a quick abnormally short onset and high, no real rush. If you eat oxycodone, I think the time frame, for me personally is about 4-5 hours. I am little tho', you get those cool after-high effects which stay with you. Like a wee bit of sedation. It all really depends on tolerance, and how much you want to feel your high. IV oxycodone is really silly tho. The five minutes after you inject are about the best five minutes of all the money you just wasted.

Edit: I thought I was managing my addiction to oxycodone pretty well. Then I got a better connection to hydromorphone, and then heroin. Heroin and hydromorphone tore me up buddy. With dilaudid, I just chased that high all day, shooting pill after pill. With heroin, I was shooting enough to be borderline alive. Some days, within 24 hours, I would shoot 4-5 bags. Which is silly, because usually two would have sufficed. It really depends on the quality. Some days I got shit that knocked me out after one shot, borderline dead, son. Be careful. Then I caught some felonies to keep up with my habit, then I went to recovery. Now I am back to what I know and love. Sobriety, with brief intermissions of MDMA use to keep me from being utterly depressed. :) Opiates are nasty. But you live and learn.
 
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I havnt Ived many times & probably should stay away from it. after all it doesnt seem u get any better results from doing it that way. Im sorry u had to deal with addiction. I lucky I only really take valium & codeine usually. I dont drink anymore which is good.
 
If you're gonna shoot opiates how can you still be worrying about which one is more addictive? you're pretty much at the end of the line for addictiveness anyways. shooting H is way better than shooting oxies. I was addicted to opiates for 3 years, i tried every opiate other than raw opium every way you could do it, and as soon as i tried shooting h i knew it was the best. if you can't tell that from trying it then you must really be getting shitty h. for me 100mg of h from my dealer was as good as 160 mg oxy.
 
Diloadid said:
IV oxycodone would last per about 15-30 minutes, per 30mg.
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That is the most incorrect statement I've read on Bluelight for quite a long time. Either you don't know what you're talking about, or you're talking about the rush, which I've never found lasted that long. If you were dopesick and shot 30mg of Oxy, you would not need more in half an hour. That's like opiod crack or something, what the fuck?
 
IV certainly lasts less time than other ROAs because as soon as it hits your bloodstream it starts to be metabolised/excreted, but yes, 15-30 minutes should not be correct (YMMV depending on tolerance and dose to a certain degree though). The rush is a different matter and doesn't last anywhere near that long, although most people don't get a rush from IV oxycodone anyway.

IVing oxycodone has a particularly poor risk:benefit ratio; very high oral bioavailability, insufflate half or plug it if you want the quick onset. Shooting pills is even more risky than standard IVing due to the huge amount of fillers/binders/crap in the pills which can damage your veins and cause an irreversible lung condition called talcosis/pneumoconiosis which is not a million miles from emphysema. If you insist on doing it, always use a micron filter and never heat the pill, and follow standard good IV practice.

Comparing opioids tends to lead to lengthy discussions with a wide variety of opinions, which is not suitable material for BDD, and telling you how much heroin to shoot is not HR at all; it's your decision to do it of course, but be aware that purity varies hugely and the differences between it and oxycodone can be pretty subjective. Personally I find heroin a lot more sedating. Always start very low; shoot half a shot even and see how it hits you before you finish it. Many people have lost their lives by IVing too high a dose of heroin accidentally.

Oxycodone is addictive, I have no idea why you think it isn't - it is a strong opioid and you are kidding yourself if you think you can't get addicted to it. You can get both physical dependency and psychological addiction in the exact same way you can for heroin.

Please stop IVing. The oral bioabailability of oxycodone is very high and the risks are much lower. Be aware you definitely can still get addicted by this, or any other ROA however.
 
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dont fuck around with h ... hard drugs are a dark tunnel , and not enough people ever get to see the other end .

edit: ^ i love how hypocrytical i am , ive only just recently started fucking around with opiates , mostly codeine , and did oxys for the first time the other day .
 
800mg... wtf? Isn't the ceiling dose around 380mg or something? If you need 800mg of codeine to get off then you need to get something a little stronger.
Anyway.
IV heroin is better than IV oxycodone
 
From my experience quality H is sooo much better of a feeling than any type of opiate pill. But also with quality H i usually get quite sick even having a very high tolerance for the stuff. To me oxys, percs, vics, roxys whatever it be in the class of opiates do not compare in any way to heroin. im pretty sure many would agree with me.

usually heavy opiate users progress from pills to H because the pills lose their magic after a while of using it.
 
PeacePipeChief said:
dont fuck around with h ... hard drugs are a dark tunnel , and not enough people ever get to see the other end .

edit: ^ i love how hypocrytical i am , ive only just recently started fucking around with opiates , mostly codeine , and did oxys for the first time the other day .
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yea dont fuck with H i sadly did, and it's very hard to get off of, my buddy does 60mg of oxy a day, and him withdrawing is like a candyland compared to mine, he would complain of feeling a little naesous whereas i would be unable to move cold sweats, hot chills, my bones felt like they were breaking if i tried to stand, i would start freaking out, i had trouble breathing, i would hyperventilate, i couldnt sit still, i couldnt sleep, i HATED MY LIFE, i went to college for Aviation, i have a degree in aviation technology, with a private, commercial, multi engine, and instrument pilots license, and i threw everything away plus the 160,000 my parents spent on college dont do it, if you need to just use oxy in low dosage, and not often so that low dosage will get you the rush you need
 
pneumoconiosis is a little worry. can u get it from just one time shooting binders or is it something that gets worse & worse the more u do it? im starting to get really turned off shooting oxy.
u know my friend heats the oxy & only uses a pice of cotton.
how long after u get pneumoconiosis do u start to get symptoms. I hope i dont already have it.
I quit smoking 2 months ago & im gunna get a lung x-ray one day. hope it would come up in that if i got it
 
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^ it's from shooting fillers/binders (especially talc) and it progresses over time, in the same way emphysema can progress the more you smoke, and is irreversible. the symptoms start as the damage becomes bad enough to cause them - to be honest I am nut sure about the time frame but I believe it is years before the disease manifests itself even if you have stopped shooting pills without micron filters some time ago; symptoms include shortness of breath and a dry cough. This variant of pneumoconiosis is also known as talcosis.

Basic info on it here (it's also sometimes called "coal-workers lung" because coal dust does a similar thing - causes inflammation then scarring of the alveoli - air sacs - in your lungs).

There is a paper on talcosis caused by IV drug use here too, and one about it causing pulmonary hypertension (high blood pressure in your lungs as they become stiff with scarring - can cause heart failure) here.

Re codeine ceiling; metabolism is complex but in a nutshell, only 5-10% is converted to morphine (codeine itself has no opioid action, it needs to be metabolised) but a higher percentage is converted by a different metabolic pathway to codeine-6-glucuronide (C6G). The morphine metabolism has a ceiling of around 400mg; C6G does not. Also, to add to the confusion, some people are high metabolisers (make more morphine) than others; some lack the necessary enzyme completely. In my (and many others') experience, dosing above 400mg most definitely produces more effects.
 
well im not gunna IV oxy again. I hope i already dont have this desease. Ive only IVed oxy like 5 times. Probably be unlikey if I got it. I know someone who has been IVing for years & heats it up & only uses a cotton filter.
All I used was a cotton filter while I did it which is a bit of a worry. Seems like it lasts longer oral anyway.
u think it would come up in an x-ray if I had it even if the symptoms havnt started yet?
I wonder if u can get this from doing oxy less than 10 times or something.
 
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