🧑‍🌾 Gardening 🧑‍🌾 Oxycodone synthesis vs Heroin synthesis if you have a field of poppy plants what would you use the opium for?

[Delmonte421]

So, my question is with the different routes of synthesis and if you had a full 3 acres of poppy plants ready for harvest. What would you make for the opium and what would be the most profitable?
From my understanding Oxycodone is synthesis from a chemical from the poppy plant and so obviously is heroin.
Someone recently is trying to tell me that his pill says pressed with oxycodone and they aren't but my argument was brought up was how could they get the oxycodone powered if the only way is if it came from the plant and there is not AFFORDABLE synthetic route to synthesis oxycodone?

 

[Delmonte421]

Sorry if this is the wrong place.... I think I wanted this in opiates or H or something. Sorry mods I am new to BL and am still learning

@Fertile - I am bringing you in cause I know you know this and want your personal feed back on this.....
@G_Chem - I want you here too
@unodelacosa I want you here too

 

[Delmonte421]

Off to work I go, ill be back in 10 hours guys, hope to hear some good ideas

 

[G_Chem]

For some reason I didn’t get the notification…

Anywhoo, not sure we can talk about what’s most profitable. But how about we talk about which one is most worth it.

Heroin is infinitely easier to synthesize and produce. Not only that but it’s much stronger. Oxycodone really isn’t all that strong, it’s more unique than anything but not a strong opioid. While there has been illicitly produced oxycodone it’s rare.

Also oxycodone is often produced from thebaine or codeine, so the chemist needs to be proficient in separating them or have a supply of pure codeine.

If someone thinks they’re illicitly pressed oxys actually contain oxycodone they are fooling themselves.

-GC

 

[kongoman]

If I had 3 acres of poopy plants i would separe it in three portions:

1* opium , dry rough opium.

2*morphine

3*heroin and oxycodone.

I'd be happy for long time.Ita beautiful Dream man.Ive been ina poppy fields in Spain two years, Its magic when you get into the field.its a very tedious work to cut thousands of pods.and collect is still more tediosa.finally i collected 200grams or opium.

I dont know anything of chemist so i could do nothing bit eat the opium or plugged it.

KONGOMAN

 

[Jabberwocky]

Hey guys, please do not discuss:

1. Theoretical profitability of manufacturing scheduled substances.

2. Any actual synthesis routes or instructions.

I will leave this thread for now, but it's cutting it awfully close on 2 rules.

 

[Fertile]

I don't believe Papaver Somniferum contains a useful amount of thebaine (oxycodone precursor) or oripavine (oxymorphone precursor).. Before the Norman strain was introduced, thebaine was extracted from Papaver bracteatum, Papaver orientale or a cross between the two. Neither of those species contain any morphine.

Interestingly, they do seem to grow well in cooler and wetter climates and under more varies soil conditions. I mean, they are (or at least were) grown in Ireland.

I concluded that in spite of oxycodone and oxymorphone not being THAT difficult to synthesize, the synthesis cannot be telescoped. It would require some skill and experience. It seems that the key to a drug being mass produced is the fact that the synthesis can be simplified down to the most basic commonplace chemicals and vessels and carried out by largely unskilled people.

 

[kongoman]

@Fertile always a super post but can I ask what would you do with 3 acres of papaver somnífer.
I mean for your consumition not for business.

Kongoman

 

[negrogesic]

One could skip papaver somniferum entirely, and instead legally grow three acres of papaver orientale -- a poppy that contains negligible morphine but who's latex contains something like 20% oripavine by weight, which in turn could be used to make etorphine or an etorphine derivative. Perhaps there are even some unscheduled etorphine derivatives.

 

[Fertile]

That is just over a hectare. Planted with Papaver Somniferum, it would yield about 1Kg of morphine. Theoretically that land could yield 58Kg of thebaine BUT it takes a proper daily analysis of samples to find optimal point to harvest.

Now, presuming one is living somewhere while allows these spies to be grown and harvested would be good... but thebaine is a Schedule 1 precursor according to the UNODC. BUT if you simply sold off the 'opium straw' as is (as is done in Turkey and India for morphine production), I think it's legal.

But whoever isolates the thebaine would need a licence. Officially it's only worth $1700/Kg in bulk, but I cannot help thinking that if it's legal to sell the poppy straw and anyone can buy it, it would be worth more. It's worth noting that the roots have a significant amount of thebaine, so harvest would be interesting.

 

[MobiusDick]

So, my question is with the different routes of synthesis and if you had a full 3 acres of poppy plants ready for harvest. What would you make for the opium and what would be the most profitable?
From my understanding Oxycodone is synthesis from a chemical from the poppy plant and so obviously is heroin.
Someone recently is trying to tell me that his pill says pressed with oxycodone and they aren't but my argument was brought up was how could they get the oxycodone powered if the only way is if it came from the plant and there is not AFFORDABLE synthetic route to synthesis oxycodone?

Oxycodone and oxymorphone are all easier to synthesize using P thebainesis and not P somniferum (opium poppy) plus the former is not illegal to grow.

 

[Delmonte421]

I really wish we were aloud to make it ourselves like growing a weed plant but its so much more complicated then that and the risk to reward is not worth it to me AT all. ill spend half my paycheck on oxy before I would risk growing and producing the drug. Those are federal AND state charges and my freedom and my passion for my work(none illicit) is too important to me. I feel for other chemists and biologies and biochemist who have made 1-2 mistakes and now cant work because of such.... I am sorry and I hope things change for you guys
@ions
@G_Chem
I forgot the guys name who is silicodonvalley but him too are all the people I can see that have formal chemistry training.
And of course my person fav in here @Fertile and @AlsoTapered
and my favorite person(s) here who does chemistry studying on his own like good will hunting, like a tru researcher @simstim and @cosmic charlie

 

[ions]

Morphine to heroin is simple. Acetic Anhydride.
Thebaine to oxy or hydrocodone is the other opiate manufacture.
Then there's codeine.
You can get each alkaloid from raw opium, well morphine, thebaine and codeine.

 

[Delmonte421]

Morphine to heroin is simple. Acetic Anhydride.
Thebaine to oxy or hydrocodone is the other opiate manufacture.
Then there's codeine.
You can get each alkaloid from raw opium, well morphine, thebaine and codeine.

there's the chemist in you. I wanna inspire you to try to start applying dog even to bullshit glass washing jobs.....foot in the door
Acetic anhydrite...... VINGER smell