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Hey guys,
Sorry if this is in the wrong place, Mods please feel free to move if it is.
Well after my battles over the last few years with methamphetamine addiction I have finally beaten it.... only to move on up to opiods... It started with codeine just here and there when nothing else was around town and I liked the feeling, that was until I was prescribed Endone (5mg of IR Oxycodone) for a back injury. Well wasn't that a bad idea. Before I knew it I have been doctor shopping my tolerance has sky rocketed and now im taking 3x20mg oxynorm in the morning just to get me going plus another 4 or 5 20mg oxynorms throughout the day and im also taking 80mg oxycontin's to keep the high at a sortve baseline so I don't get dopesick. The thing that is annoying me is that dopesick business... ive never really felt physically ill coming off drugs... (its all in the head for Meth) Now I wanna sort this out before im taking hundreds of milligrams and cant turn back so to speak, however im already aware that detox and withdrawal is gonna suck already but I can imagine it being a lot worse. My question here is, I do not get prescribed these drugs anymore so if I go to my doctor what is he going to do? Wheen me off of them? Rehab isn't really an option as I live in the middle of Australia... there is literally nothing but desert surrounding me for a very VERY long drive, Or will he set up daily pickups from the drug store or will he just cold turkey me.... (in which case I will tell him to go fuck himself.)
Any help would be great,
Oh and I know it sucks but could some of you guys please tell me what to expect with my sortve tolerance in regards to withdrawals... If you need more info regarding my tolerance just let me know :)

Like always THANKS BLUELIGHTERS!! :)
 
Well, all we can do is guess which is sorta pointless but hey I'm just sitting here eating an apple and have free time so...

If he believes you, probably the most likely option (if it's available in Australia) is MMT. Methadone management therapy , you schlep to the pharmacy daily and they give you your juice. Goal here is to stabilize and then taper. But some people are lifers.

Option 2 (which again would be contingent on availability where u are) are suboxone / subutex pills. Take them as directed, you don't have to go the pharmacy daily.. Sane as MMT goal to stabilize then taper.

Next likely is getting a bunch of opiates and telling you these are for a self directed taper. No more opiates from me, ever.

I guess last would be for h to tell you you're on your own. CT "unpleasant- not fatal" and sending you on your way.

I don't think he'll be sending you to rehab if the closest one a I million miles away.. But what about a hospital based detox? Maybe.

Best of luck getting clean, staying clean, and not subbing out for another addiction. Every time you want to use, have sex or make a pie.
 
I used meth for years, then cocaine/crack onto opiods most recently. I did a rapid taper… It can be done but looking back getting on a longer acting opiate would have been the best solution. As the above poster mentions …

Also there are many supplements to detox with and other meds out there.. like Lyrica and Clonidine when you do jump off the opiates.
Look up the Thomas Recipe.
opiatewithdrawaltips.com/thomas-recipe/

If you have any questions about amino acids I know of many of those to take also.

Good luck. So sorry you are in this place, it's an awful place to be in but it's possible to recover… <3
 
Thanks guys, I certainly wouldn't mind a rapid detox but I certainly don't want to go cold turkey... FUCK. THAT. Im just stressed if its worth me even going to the doctor, I mean if he is just gonna cut me off and not help other than useless pamphlets and his best of luck... I will save my $80 Consultation fee thanks... But I plan on being 100% honest about my use and I just hope he will actually give me something to taper off. Do you's think he might or not?
 
He may get you on Suboxone or methadone but both could be a pain because you need to go to the pharmacy daily to pick up your daily dose. Yes even for Suboxone youll most likely be making the trip daily because in Australia and Canada we treat Suboxone and methadone exactly the same (the way it should be). They both have potential for abuse or being diverted to the black market.

That's generally the easier route because its easy to taper those long acting opiates especially Suboxone. Another option is to get more oxycodone prescribed to taper with but this is especially hard to do because oxy was your drug of choice and if you could control your use then well you wouldn't be in the situation you are now.

Another one is cold turkey which will be a week of hell on earth followed by a month or more of minor symptoms. While its not fun It may be best to do while your tolerance is smaller because the longer you put it off the higher your tolerance gets meaning worse withdrawals. For this usually sedatives such as Valium, clonazapam, or Xanax are used along with blood pressure medicine (clonadine) to take the edge off withdrawal. Sleeping pills such as trazadone can also be used to help you fall asleep and stay asleep but even with sedatives this can be hard during opiate withdrawal.

There is also rapid detox where they put you to sleep and inject you with narcan then wake you days later but this is not very good for the body. Its also fairly new meaning not many patient follow ups have been studied.

Whatever route you go remember you can always come here for support we have a wonderful community of people who have been through this many times. Smoky is a good one to talk to for support I'm sure her mailbox is open if you want to send her a PM but I'm also available to talk to I'm on Suboxone but been free from heroin since January:D We have a sober living section and other recovery support forums too. Im going to move this thread over to sober living where you will find more sober educated folks who have been in your situation and came out a better person at the end.

I was able to stop cocaine, Meth, etc no problem but opiates were another story once I felt the withdrawals I was like holy shit this is horrible I never thought I would feel this way not having a drug. Over time the drug changes your personality and makes you a machine run by opiates with only one worry every day.
It sucks how physical the withdrawals are I tell you its one of the worst drugs but you don't want to be hooked to this ball and chain forever do you?

Good luck all the best :)
 
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Hi again,

The Doc is right. He has many valid points.
(by the way, congrats on moderator position Train!).

I could stop the stimulants but not opiates as they DO have Physical withdrawals… When I did my first withdrawal a few years back - I walked straight into the ER told them what was up and they gave me Valium and Clonidine, and I was not on prescription opiates, but street drugs, Roxies 30mgs … quite a bit. I would be straight up with him and tell him how much exactly you are taking so he can match your dose appropriately (if he can prescribe subs that is).

Here they have to give detox meds in Sf if you are in crisis going into withdrawal, although not methadone or subs in ER. One needs to make an appointment for that or go downtown to a Barrt program. As you mention the only issue is if your doc will prescribe subs or methadone. My current one is actually listed to prescribe (just a coincidence, he worked in SA before - is an internist), but not all are under the license to prescribe subs. This might be an issue ... but I am not sure.

Maybe you can do some research on your specific doctor and/or call the office first and ask? He indeed at least should give you the Clonidine and maybe some Valium. If he is familiar with addiction maybe some Gabapentin too! :)

Good luck and yes, I am around anytime.

~ Smoky <3
 
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Back in my days, many years ago. I became so sick, as I was using a huge amount of opiates that the only way to manage was through Methadone.
Even medicated I had the worst withdraws, non stop, and the doctor had to increase the dosage.
It only stabilized when I was already on 120 mg, few days later.
I believe there should be a prepared doctor in every ER to take care of these cases.
Methadone is not good nowadays as it was back then, so eventually I had to decrease the number of mgs.
 
wow... what was your daily intake where 120mg Methadone was barely holding you? I have what is typically considered a high tolerance and 40mg of daily methadone holds me just fine..
 
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Hi again,

The Doc is right. He has many valid points.
(by the way, congrats on moderator position Train!).

I could stop the stimulants but not opiates as they DO have Physical withdrawals… When I did my first withdrawal a few years back - I walked straight into the ER told them what was up and they gave me Valium and Clonidine, and I was not on prescription opiates, but street drugs, Roxies 30mgs … quite a bit. I would be straight up with him and tell him how much exactly you are taking so he can match your dose appropriately (if he can prescribe subs that is).

Here they have to give detox meds in Sf if you are in crisis going into withdrawal, although not methadone or subs in ER. One needs to make an appointment for that or go downtown to a Barrt program. As you mention the only issue is if your doc will prescribe subs or methadone. My current one is actually listed to prescribe (just a coincidence, he worked in SA before - is an internist), but not all are under the license to prescribe subs. This might be an issue ... but I am not sure.

Maybe you can do some research on your specific doctor and/or call the office first and ask? He indeed at least should give you the Clonidine and maybe some Valium. If he is familiar with addiction maybe some Gabapentin too! :)

Good luck and yes, I am around anytime.

~ Smoky <3
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Good advice and to the OP, I hope you get through this! We know you can!

I don't know if I am crossing boundaries, and I really hope I am not, but if I am, I know you will tell me.

Smoky, I am currently tapering off of suboxone. I have posted a recent thread in sober living and would like to know if you'd be interested in keepng in touch with me throughout this ordeal.

Or anybody on here. I've posted a few times,and iam so grateful for resresponses. I feel like I have nobody to talk to, and those few responses did wonders for my mentality and such.

Again, anybody trying to kick anything, I wish you the best of luck! If you want to talk, please mssg me!

Gypsy.
 
Hi Gypsy,

Thank you for reaching out.

Absolutely. I am also in a few of the posts in Sober Living. I'm a few months off opiates myself. I will move onto that section soon and read your post. Congratulations on making a decision to taper off suboxone.

~ Smoky <3 :)
 
You are in sober living smoky I moved this thread over there from OD yesterday:D

Your in good hands with smoky guiding you. Very strong soul that smoky is also nice to talk to and very non judgemental.
 
Thank you very much guys, so the doc is likely to prescribe sub or methadone... what are they, Antagonists? doesn't that mean they work backwards or something? More to the point will it help? Im sick as fuck atm just went to get some codeine tablets as we have some half decent strength ones in australia just to hold me through until I can get more oxy. But yeh I just wanna get off of it? How much will the withdrawals suck? ive never really been into opiates and never really gone without a dose however I am definitely dependant. I might see how I go tomorrow with taking none and see how bad it gets before I take my morning ones... this will be a good test I think to see what im up for or could this be dangerous?
 
Its weird I thought this sickness ive been having lately has been legit thinking "there is noway I am addicted yet" but is the reason im sick right now could that be because I haven't had any since like 9am, its now 5pm. Could this right now be the start of it all? coz I feel crappy but not like utter UTTER crap. Its bearable atm.
 
Hh,

So subs is a partial antagonist, why methadone is a full antagonist. Basically the idea is to block your opiate receptors. Don't get it twisted though, both can still be abused and badly. Asa far as w/d goes, each is different and length of use is a major factor. The good thing is you're using short acting opiates, this is why a real quick taper of either subs or methadone is vital. If you stay on either to long the taper is so so long. Also alot of the fear of w/d is within our own head, worse you think the worse it will be.

You can try and see how it goes, not really dangers like getting off a benzo habit, but you'll feel like pure shit for 5-10 days depending on length of use. Just remember, there is no easy fix, you have to go through the agony, every recovering addict does. The difference between staying clean and relapsing is simply a mind set, you have to want it bad enough that you're just as willing to bathe in a river of shit to get there, versus living is shit be no feeling a damn thing. Congrats on the choice to get clean, I know the struggle and have been in your shoes.

Bob

P.s. all this smokey love is sickening...(JK smokey, you know your awesome) <3
 
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