Oxy withdrawal cold turkey

[Them Witches]

Omg I am so sorry. I thought I had it bad. I feel better after taking a pill but now I am scared I will never get off of it like you said. I have heard of facilities that sedate you for 48-72 hours and just rapidly detox you if you would want to do that, but I can’t afford it because my insurance doesn’t cover it and it was like 25k. It is called ANR Clinic if you would like to do some research on it. That is my last resort if I can’t taper correctly because subs make me terribly sick and methadone makes my heart arrhythmic. It seems like oxy is the only thing that works for me, but at the same time, my mind could just be convincing my body that I need it. If you don’t mind me asking, how the hell did you get your PM dr to prescribe you 24mg of hydromorphone per day, that’s wild!

no need to be sorry for me, some else has it worse. I have meet plenty along the way.

The hydromorphone is added for acute and breakthru pain. A 4mg: 4hrs PO Oral is small compared to 2mg IV: 4hrs.

You should try dissolving the Roxicodone under your tongue. Keep it in there as long as you can. It is 3-4 times stronger and last 2-3 times longer than normal PO Oral route. Damn I should not have told you this...

*** edit -- for me it is 2-3 times stronger and lasts 2 times longer. For someone that has been on them decades, I find this to be the best route. ***

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

You don't wanna go the rehab route after suffering this much. Most will probably tell you to follow your dr.'s orders. Do not cease the ambien booze or benzos suddenly as they absolutely could be life threatening. (I wish docs were that chill around here, have to sign a no drinking clause just to get benzos)

I still think with the amount of progress you made *unless it is pain related, not my area* it is best to take SOME suffering now for the cause of total cessation. I hear stories about doctors not legally being allowed to write opis in some/alot? of states (lsd?). If such a crackdown is indeed underway; and I did see some evidence that points in that direction I would be weary of blowing through them. But you know the context in your situation better than any of us.

ThemWitches -- I echo the sentiments of empathy. Really harsh hand to be dealt that shames us *for fun* users a little bit. (Or should I think)

 

[Them Witches]

I echo the sentiments of empathy. Really harsh hand to be dealt that shames us *for fun* users a little bit. (Or should I think)

No need to feel shamed, there is plenty of poppy & poppy straw for everyone to try or use. The whole world is controlled and driven by the production of illegal and legal opium and poppy straw production.

In 1842 British paid India to produce insane amounts of opium to smuggle into China to weaken China's young population of fighting men (First Opium War). Then the British took control of the major control points of China. 4 million young Chinese were turned into addicts. China was upset they were disgraced on the world's front. Thus is why China is importing Fentanyl and Fentanyl precursors to the United States, do not be surprised if the United States is attacked on their home soil. The influx of the immigrants that landed into the US during Biden, being all young fighting age men may be connected.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

That is the biggest crime of it that there is plenty for everyone the hoarding bastards! I feel less shame than they should. Good historical points -- well I know China is not thrilled with us right now "Tarriffing" the hell out of them though it (appears) to be hurting us more. (I don't have eyes in china either and I assume even with the current 'pain' it is probably comparatively better to be here). I mean look at me shit talking Trump. (for now) lol.

 

[Them Witches]

That is the biggest crime of it that there is plenty for everyone the hoarding bastards! I feel less shame than they should. Good historical points -- well I know China is not thrilled with us right now "Tarriffing" the hell out of them though it (appears) to be hurting us more. (I don't have eyes in china either and I assume even with the current 'pain' it is probably comparatively better to be here). I mean look at me shit talking Trump. (for now) lol.

the reason the US went to war after 9-11 was to sieze poppy & poppy strains that contain high amounts of Thebaine. The Middle East is where the most illicit Thebaine rich poppy and poppy straw is. easily stolen. The perfect crime. The demand for Oxycodone in the US fits the time frame. Thebaine is also the starting blocks for Oxycodone, Hydrocodone, Oxymorphone, Hydromorphone, and Suboxone. No hospital or pharma plant can run without it. There is only 2% Thebaine and 12% morphine in their raw opium so the demand is high.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

Omg I am so sorry. I thought I had it bad. I feel better after taking a pill but now I am scared I will never get off of it like you said. I have heard of facilities that sedate you for 48-72 hours and just rapidly detox you if you would want to do that,

I find it best, when you have chronic pain and are trying to also break a dependency….dont think in absolutes like “I will never take an opioid again” or “I will never get off opioids for the rest of my life”

Take it day by day, focus on right now. The danger though with the mindset of “I will never NOT take an opioid again” can’t be a justification to take something if you can truly tolerate the pain…but if the pain is truly breaking your soul - don’t feel guilty taking something.

If the pain is constant u relenting and severe - maybe you will never get off opioids or maybe you won’t get off for years - accept that. But also believe that it is possible to get off them if you have the right luck with your health and the right determination.

And the pain I’m all talking about is chronic pain not withdrawal pain

Try not to torture yourself self with “what ifs” regret etc. whatever the situation is, go for acceptance. It’s hard and I can’t say I’ve achieved acceptance but it’s seems to be all we can’t do and all that people offer advice wise

 

[db7132]

no need to be sorry for me, some else has it worse. I have meet plenty along the way.

The hydromorphone is added for acute and breakthru pain. A 4mg: 4hrs PO Oral is small compared to 2mg IV: 4hrs.

You should try dissolving the Roxicodone under your tongue. Keep it in there as long as you can. It is 3-4 times stronger and last 2-3 times longer than normal PO Oral route. Damn I should not have told you this...

wait, dissolving it under your tongue makes it stronger and last longer?! i gotta try that. idk how that even makes sense but i 100% believe you considering your experience with the drug. how long would you say it lasts vs the normal 3-4 hours and how much stronger so i dont overdo it?

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Them Witches -- Roxicodone is IR and has a PO bioavailability of about 60-70% -- no way is it going to get 3 to 4x stronger. Honestly when I used IV these still went in the nose or mouth.

I do not mean to call BS but I do not believe that is true until I see some data.

 

[DharmaCollective]

I have used Kratom to get off of opiates, but it is also habit forming. I found it easier to taper off of, and gradually stop taking it. Good luck, be strong and ask for help. You are loved and can get through this.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

I thought about suggesting that but I have heard kratom w/d can be pretty brutal and last a long time. Guy is ALMOST there. (even if today was a slip).

Was a hell of a crime until fet/xylazine/nitrines? became accepted as the standard. There were some good years for H after 01.

 

[db7132]

I thought about suggesting that but I have heard kratom w/d can be pretty brutal and last a long time. Guy is ALMOST there. (even if today was a slip).

Was a hell of a crime until fet/xylazine/nitrines? became accepted as the standard. There were some good years for H after 01.

Yah I did slip today but doc told me to. He said it could change my brain chemistry bad for months if I do it right away Cold turkey. I need to just taper off 10% every 2 weeks and he said i should be fine. He even said i could just decrease by 5-10 pills per month which is like 5%. Pharmacist agreed too. I know I was almost there but my pharmacist said it is not normal at all for me to be experiencing the muscle aches and not really see much of a decrease in the physical withdrawal after a week. It was most likely because I was barely eating nor sleeping and drinking a decent amount but my resting HR was 140 and BP was 145/95, so it wasnt safe at that point. I think I made the right decision, I just hope I can stick to the plan. Thanks for all the support you guys, it means the world, as I was doing the first 5 days completely alone and had very BAD thoughts.

 

[db7132]

I have used Kratom to get off of opiates, but it is also habit forming. I found it easier to taper off of, and gradually stop taking it. Good luck, be strong and ask for help. You are loved and can get through this.

I don’t wanna mess with kratom. My doctor said that stuff is super unpredictable and dangerous and not regulated and also addictive. No need to add another pain killer into the equation imo. But i have heard it works for some people, it just didn’t sound like the right move for me.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

wait, dissolving it under your tongue makes it stronger and last longer?! i gotta try that. idk how that even makes sense but i 100% believe you considering your experience with the drug. how long would you say it lasts vs the normal 3-4 hours and how much stronger so i dont overdo it?

This makes zero sense what that person told you pharmacokinetically speaking.

The sublingual bioavailability of oxycodone is shit (see study linked below) while oral has 90% bioavailability. Oral is the most superior dosage form besides IV. Even better than IV for pain management. Plus IV has large health consequences

Effect of pH on sublingual absorption of oxycodone hydrochloride - PMC

The purpose of this study was to develop a sublingual spray drug delivery formulation of oxycodone and evaluate the effect of formulation pH on sublingual absorption of oxycodone for acute pain management using rabbit as the animal model. Using a ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Them Witches]

Them Witches -- Roxicodone is IR and has a PO bioavailability of about 60-70% -- no way is it going to get 3 to 4x stronger. Honestly when I used IV these still went in the nose or mouth.

I do not mean to call BS but I do not believe that is true until I see some data.

I have been on Roxicodone 30's for 14 years. I would say I am the study doctors should be looking at. I am the data.

What I should have explained is " first pass metabolism " and how to get around that.

PO Orally of Roxicodone is actually 86%, but due to first pass metabolism not as much crosses the blood brain barrier.

PO Orally they do not even register with me. Dissolve under the tongue and I feel it intensely & quickly. I also do not start thinking about another dose for hours later.

 

[Them Witches]

wait, dissolving it under your tongue makes it stronger and last longer?! i gotta try that. idk how that even makes sense but i 100% believe you considering your experience with the drug. how long would you say it lasts vs the normal 3-4 hours and how much stronger so i dont overdo it?

have a great day

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

It does not make sense. I am sorry but Them Witches is not correct. LSD and I are (Until I see something pointing to otherwise) -- I thought 80% for oral bio too but got 60-70% back when I checked it. That means 60- 80% of the possible amount of oxycodone ends up in your bloodstream --- cant double that. Them Witches -- Idk we all are different maybe you are the anomaly and should have it checked out; I say that with sincerity. W/e works for you.

Forget first pass metabolism that is nonsense. If you truly believe in voodoo you can always snort them to bypass "first pass metabolism" -- but dont.

Trust me I have shot them, it is not worth poking you're arm the rush is fairly negligible compared to morphine or heron. Not many drugs you shoot and than go eh nah ill go back to chewing those. (I was a snorter -- hell some ppl say smoking them on foil is the best way ala "justified" season one)

If you use the search engine this has been discussed at lengths, smoking, snorting, shooting -- the end result was shooting of course 100% believe oral was next at 80-85 nasal around 60% -- smoking debated if it works or not but some swore up and down by it.

 

[Them Witches]

None of you guys/girls should listen to me.

OP -- I hope you achieve your goals and find a healthy balance.

I have been on Roxi 30's longer than 14 years so they work differently for me.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

I think most of us here are speaking from experience backed by all the empirical evidence -- Other ppl's experiences/opinions tend to be worth .02 cents; including mine. I encourage both you and the OP to google and question everything anyone says. Noone would be more happy than me if you could get 8x potency out of oxycodone.

your post probably falls under the no dicksizing rule not that I (Or anyone as long as it doesn't escalate) cares.

 

[db7132]

I think most of us here are speaking from experience backed by all the empirical evidence -- Other ppl's experiences/opinions tend to be worth .02 cents; including mine. I encourage both you and the OP to google and question everything anyone says. Noone would be more happy than me if you could get 8x potency out of oxycodone.

your post probably falls under the no dicksizing rule not that I (Or anyone as long as it doesn't escalate) cares.

No worries my dude, you are more than welcome to have your discussions on this post, it doesn’t bother me. It’s not like I own the site lol. I got everything I needed from you guys and I really appreciate it. Going to just do the long taper, as I am guessing by now my withdrawals have probably reset at least half. I just couldn't take it. But now I gotta figure out how to lower my dose of Ambien back down to 10mg from 30mg since the past week I have been taking about 30-45mg and a couple drinks just to sleep for a few hours. I took 20mg last night and barely felt it. That is now a new issue RIP. If anyone has any advice on that, let me know!

 

[db7132]

It does not make sense. I am sorry but Them Witches is not correct. LSD and I are (Until I see something pointing to otherwise) -- I thought 80% for oral bio too but got 60-70% back when I checked it. That means 60- 80% of the possible amount of oxycodone ends up in your bloodstream --- cant double that. Them Witches -- Idk we all are different maybe you are the anomaly and should have it checked out; I say that with sincerity. W/e works for you.

Forget first pass metabolism that is nonsense. If you truly believe in voodoo you can always snort them to bypass "first pass metabolism" -- but dont.

Trust me I have shot them, it is not worth poking you're arm the rush is fairly negligible compared to morphine or heron. Not many drugs you shoot and than go eh nah ill go back to chewing those. (I was a snorter -- hell some ppl say smoking them on foil is the best way ala "justified" season one)

If you use the search engine this has been discussed at lengths, smoking, snorting, shooting -- the end result was shooting of course 100% believe oral was next at 80-85 nasal around 60% -- smoking debated if it works or not but some swore up and down by it.

Btw, dont smoke the Roxis. My buddy has popcorn lung from this. Plus is lasts way shorter. The only ones I hear are a bit safer to smoke (ironically) are the fake fentanyl ones. I mean, not safer in the way that you have less chance of ODing, but safer for lungs if it’s actually pure fentanyl. Still, those things kill so PLEASE STAY AWAY from those fake ones.