Oxy withdrawal cold turkey

[neversickanymore]

if you have not taken any opiates at all since your on right about to hit the light at the end of the tunnel!

The way to determine a really strong approximation of the worst of acute withdrawal symptoms without the addition of ANY opiates is to take 5x the half life of the substance and then add 3.5 days for the system to reset. It often takes less, but that is just a bonus.

If we take any opiates for a reprieve from the withdrawal symptoms the clock automatically resets with that substances half life plus around 3.5 days. This is not reticent to how much detox relief garnered from whatever substance.

After acute withdrawal we commonly run into PAWS or post acute withdrawal syndrome and in some cases “psychological addiction” or in better words addiction.

Fight, Fight Fight.. as others have said your pretty much there.

If you slip please remember your tolerance will be absolutely shit so taking anywhere close to your normal dose could be fatal especially with the benzodiazepines on board. Once you have successfully detoxed your tolerance will be only a little higher than someone who has never taken opiates.

Successfully jumping the prison of opiate dependency imho is most likely to be successful if you design a recovery plan that addresses acute withdraws, but even more important is having a plan for the paws and potential addiction.

We often focus on the acute withdrawal because it’s awful and such a hard barrier. In the end it may be the “eas” part and if you don’t have a solid plan for the long term war we can end up pushing through that hell multiple times.

Nice work keep fighting!!

Edit.. read through the rest of the thread.. as you fight through this i’d consider adding a plan for the acutes and paws into your jump.

Tapers just keep you miserable for prolonged periods of time.. everyone pays the piper.

You could stabilize on subs and then jump with the shot.. people are claiming they are jumping off the physical dependence scott free.

 

[db7132]

if you have not taken any opiates at all since your on right about to hit the light at the end of the tunnel!

The way to determine a really strong approximation of the worst of acute withdrawal symptoms without the addition of ANY opiates is to take 5x the half life of the substance and then add 3.5 days for the system to reset. It often takes less, but that is just a bonus.

If we take any opiates for a reprieve from the withdrawal symptoms the clock automatically resets with that substances half life plus around 3.5 days. This is not reticent to how much detox relief garnered from whatever substance.

After acute withdrawal we commonly run into PAWS or post acute withdrawal syndrome and in some cases “psychological addiction” or in better words addiction.

Fight, Fight Fight.. as others have said your pretty much there.

If you slip please remember your tolerance will be absolutely shit so taking anywhere close to your normal dose could be fatal especially with the benzodiazepines on board. Once you have successfully detoxed your tolerance will be only a little higher than someone who has never taken opiates.

Successfully jumping the prison of opiate dependency imho is most likely to be successful if you design a recovery plan that addresses acute withdraws, but even more important is having a plan for the paws and potential addiction.

We often focus on the acute withdrawal because it’s awful and such a hard barrier. In the end it may be the “eas” part and if you don’t have a solid plan for the long term war we can end up pushing through that hell multiple times.

Nice work keep fighting!!

Edit.. read through the rest of the thread.. as you fight through this i’d consider adding a plan for the acutes and paws into your jump.

Tapers just keep you miserable for prolonged periods of time.. everyone pays the piper.

You could stabilize on subs and then jump with the shot.. people are claiming they are jumping off the physical dependence scott free.

I was still in Acute WD after 7 straight days which is why my doctor said I needed to taper. I wasnt getting any better at all and since I wasnt sleeping or eating much, he said I wouldn’t get better until I could sleep as your body needs sleep and nutrients to heal and function. My pharmacist agreed as well. She said it shouldve been over at that point but it was just staying the same for a whole week. Something was wrong and I was in stage 2 hypertension at all times, so it became potentially life-threatening. I wouldve normally just tanked it cold turkey, but the fact that my doctor said I had a risk at seizures and/or cardiac arrest, I lowered my dose from 150mg a day to 40mg and will be going down 5mg a week. Subs make me super sick every time I take them so that wasnt an option. I agree I was probably close to the end of the tunnel, but both my doc and the pharmacist said the fact that I was still having muscle spasms and piloerection (goosebumps) and the rest of the acute symptoms, that I needed to taper to stop the risk of any emergency/life-threatening events. I should be off the meds within 3-6 months. I just want to get to the point where I can take the medication as needed and not have to take it multiple times a day. You are right though, my tolerance is completely reset. 20mg makes me feel like I took 60mg lmao. Probably because the drug exited my system after 3/4 days.

 

[neversickanymore]

I was still in Acute WD after 7 straight days which is why my doctor said I needed to taper. I wasnt getting any better at all and since I wasnt sleeping or eating much, he said I wouldn’t get better until I could sleep as your body needs sleep and nutrients to heal and function. My pharmacist agreed as well. She said it shouldve been over at that point but it was just staying the same for a whole week. Something was wrong and I was in stage 2 hypertension at all times, so it became potentially life-threatening. I wouldve normally just tanked it cold turkey, but the fact that my doctor said I had a risk at seizures and/or cardiac arrest, I lowered my dose from 150mg a day to 40mg and will be going down 5mg a week. Subs make me super sick every time I take them so that wasnt an option. I agree I was probably close to the end of the tunnel, but both my doc and the pharmacist said the fact that I was still having muscle spasms and piloerection (goosebumps) and the rest of the acute symptoms, that I needed to taper to stop the risk of any emergency/life-threatening events. I should be off the meds within 3-6 months. I just want to get to the point where I can take the medication as needed and not have to take it multiple times a day. You are right though, my tolerance is completely reset. 20mg makes me feel like I took 60mg lmao. Probably because the drug exited my system after 3/4 days.

Yeah, your up there on acutes, I totally agree that sleep is very desirable for healing and reset, but prescribing you opiates you are physically dependent on to facilitate a successful withdrawal will only prolong your journey outa this hell imho.

I have not posted on many detox threads in a bit, so I'll just throw a little history to lend some backing behind my take.

Just before I joined BL, I jumped 80 mgpd methadone, 230 mgpd Roxy, 4 mgpd alprazolam and some other bs. In support of others who are in the same viscous trap I was in, I moderated recovery forums on bl and senior moderated. I have participated in and hopefully contributed to thousands of opiate withdrawal support threads. I made it and am completely off opiates (besides two therapeutic runs after medical procedures) and have been completely off benzos ever since. If I can make it, anyone can. True.

Some things i'd really consider right now, since you have some relief from the hard core withdrawals.

I'd be brainstorming a plan to address probable paws and looking at dealing with a possible addiction? Won't take too long and putting together a plan of attack ahead of time can really benefit you. It's just rmuch easier to do it when you are still functioning. If we focus solely on the acutes, we can end up pushing through that fjkn nightmare only to find ourselves in a much harder battle unprepared and physically and mentally weakened. If we have a battle plan formed.. well shit we already know know what the game plan is and we don't need to try and formulate it on a one cylinder detox brain.

When coming up with a plan i'd consider comprising it of a list of simple easily understood and accomplished goals. How can anyone accomplish the impossible? Dissect the impossible down to extremely simple components and then just start accomplishing those simple tasks. Whats really important about this approach, when it comes to addiction, is both its underwhelming simplistic power and that it is really easy to adjust. Addiction regularly includes relapse.. relapse isn't guaranteed, but it's extremely common. So by taking this approach, if a relapse happens, we are able to look at our super simplified life plan and identify what likely lead to that relapse and make a few small adjustments to increase our power moving forward. If you stumble, just get right back up, dust yourself off and make an adjustment so you are less likely to stumble moving forward. Repeat.

A little about my acute detox.. Sleep is nice, really important and healing.,. that being said.., I didn't sleep for almost two weeks.. likely after around 9.5 days I had micro naps I didn't even notice. I then slept for under 4 hours every day for 1.25 years. Thats due to the prolonged acute benzodiazepine withdrawal. Sleep is important, but if sleep was needed to recover from withdrawals, then we would never recover. Sleep deprivation is a side effect of the neural transmitter imbalance created by prolonged substance use and the resultant effects of removing that substance from that system. To make it through you nieed to completely remove the substance and system will reset.

 

[db7132]

Yeah, your up there on acutes, I totally agree that sleep is very desirable for healing and reset, but prescribing you opiates you are physically dependent on to facilitate a successful withdrawal will only prolong your journey outa this hell imho.

I have not posted on many detox threads in a bit, so I'll just throw a little history to lend some backing behind my take.

Just before I joined BL, I jumped 80 mgpd methadone, 230 mgpd Roxy, 4 mgpd alprazolam and some other bs. In support of others who are in the same viscous trap I was in, I moderated recovery forums on bl and senior moderated. I have participated in and hopefully contributed to thousands of opiate withdrawal support threads. I made it and am completely off opiates (besides two therapeutic runs after medical procedures) and have been completely off benzos ever since. If I can make it anyone can. True.

So some things id really consider right now, since you have some relief from the hard core withdrawals.

I'd bebrainstorming a plan to address probable paws and looking at dealing with a possible addiction? Won't take too long and putting together a plan of attack ahead of time can really benefit you. It's just rmuch easier to do it when you are still functioning. If we focus solely on the acutes, we can end up pushing through that fjkn nightmare only to find ourselves in a much harder battle unprepared and physically and mentally weakened. If we have a battle plan formed.. well shit we already know know what are game plan is.

When coming up with a plan i'd consider comprising it of a list of simple easily understood and accomplished goals. How can anyone accomplish the impossible? Dissect the impossible down to extremely simple components and then just start accomplishing those simple tasks. Whats really important about this approach, when it comes to addiction, is both its underwhelming simplistic power and that it is really easy to adjust. Addiction regularly includes relapse.. relapse isn't guaranteed, but it's extremely common. So by taking this approach, if a relapse happens, we are able to look at our super simplified life plan and identify what likely lead to that relapse and make a few small adjustments to increase our power moving forward. If you stumble, just get right back up, dust yourself off and make an adjustment so you are less likely to stumble moving forward. Repeat.

A little about my acute detox.. Sleep is nice, really important and healing.,. that being said.., I didn't sleep for almost two weeks.. likely after around 9.5 days I had micro naps I didn't even notice. I then slept for under 4 hours every day for 1.25 years. Thats due to the prolonged acute benzodiazepine withdrawal. Sleep is important, but if sleep was needed to recover from withdrawals, then we would never recover. Sleep deprivation is a side effect of the neural transmitter imbalance created by prolonged substance use and the resultant effects of removing that substance from that system. To make it through you nieed to completely remove the substance and system will reset.

Got it, thanks for the advice! I think I am going work on a plan with my psych as well as my PM dr. That way, I have dual support.

 

[neversickanymore]

When formulating your plan please look at exercise. Many people are relatively unaware of the neurophysiological effects of exercise. Exercise both promotes the production and regulation of important neurotransmitters involved in PAWS. It also increases neuroplasticity that likely eventually aids addiction treatment and recovery if you end up battling that.

Exercise and Brain Neurotransmission
Neurobiology of Exercise
Aerobic Exercise

 

[db7132]

When formulating your plan please look at exercise. Many people are relatively unaware of the neurophysiological effects of exercise. Exercise both promotes the production and regulation of important neurotransmitters involved in PAWS. It also increases neuroplasticity that likely eventually aids addiction treatment and recovery if you end up battling that.

Exercise and Brain Neurotransmission
Neurobiology of Exercise
Aerobic Exercise

Will do. I am about to go on a bike ride for the first time in like 3 years so hopefully I don’t pass tf out hahahaha. Appreciate the advice fr. You seem to have a lot of experience.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Btw, dont smoke the Roxis. My buddy has popcorn lung from this. Plus is lasts way shorter. The only ones I hear are a bit safer to smoke (ironically) are the fake fentanyl ones. I mean, not safer in the way that you have less chance of ODing, but safer for lungs if it’s actually pure fentanyl. Still, those things kill so PLEASE STAY AWAY from those fake ones.

grazi -- I never would. I tend not to believe in things that don't make logical sense (Most came to the conclusion it was utterly wasteful). Probably would work better with the fet roxi's but hell if I trust the consistency of dosage on a black market knock.

Neversickanymore gave some great advice regarding PAWS (and in general) for me it was benzos (still on 2mg a day experiencing PAWS from 'over researching in about 2015. Most people (almost all) recommended medical assistance at the time and it was figured my odds of getting out without many seizures was low....I did not have that option as what I was taking would have been scoffed at as hyperbole by the local medical community as well as redflagged myself. So I tapered for years and it was brutal; even with 2mg of clonazepam a day I do not know if or when PAWS will discontinue. (Although it really isn't THAT bad.)

Here is my advice; trust your brain more than your doctor. .02 cents as always but I think going back to your dose -10 mg is going to be something you regret at somepoint despite what you are being told by them and I think neversickanymore echoed this as well.

*second edit* -- "Not like I own the site" is what went through my head when I mentioned the rule too lol (Things use to turn into "I do 10 bags of dope I day so I know more" --- "I bet your dope sucks compared to mine and I do 20 etc" which just doesn't really help or impress)

 

[db7132]

grazi -- I never would. I tend not to believe in things that don't make logical sense (Most came to the conclusion it was utterly wasteful). Probably would work better with the fet roxi's but hell if I trust the consistency of dosage on a black market knock.

Neversickanymore gave some great advice regarding PAWS (and in general) for me it was benzos (still on 2mg a day experiencing PAWS from 'over researching in about 2015. Most people (almost all) recommended medical assistance at the time and it was figured my odds of getting out without many seizures was low....I did not have that option as what I was taking would have been scoffed at as hyperbole by the local medical community as well as redflagged myself. So I tapered for years and it was brutal; even with 2mg of clonazepam a day I do not know if or when PAWS will discontinue. (Although it really isn't THAT bad.)

Here is my advice; trust your brain more than your doctor. .02 cents as always but I think going back to your dose -10 mg is going to be something you regret at somepoint despite what you are being told by them and I think neversickanymore echoed this as well.

*second edit* -- "Not like I own the site" is what went through my head when I mentioned the rule too lol (Things use to turn into "I do 10 bags of dope I day so I know more" --- "I bet your dope sucks compared to mine and I do 20 etc" which just doesn't really help or impress)

I may regret it, we will see, but only time will tell. I notice it is a lot easier to taper off now though since I let it get out of my system. I remember last time i did a taper down, i got to 5mg roxi per day once per day, then got down to 0mg at all. i had almost no acute WD symptoms except for diarrhea and minor body aches. That is why I think I should be okay with doing the taper instead of continuing the cold turkey WDs (i already started the taper). My doctor and pharmacist both thought it was the right move, since I hadnt gotten any better even after 7 days (maybe i got like 10% better). I am also now able to cut down on other medications like benzos and ambien because the opioid WDs stopped for now.

 

[Them Witches]

I may regret it, we will see, but only time will tell. I notice it is a lot easier to taper off now though since I let it get out if my system. I remember last time i did a taper down to 5mg roxi per day once per day, i had almost no acute WD symptoms except for diarrhea and minor body aches. That is why I think I should be okay with doing the taper instead of continuing the cold turkey WDs (i already started the taper). My doctor and pharmacist both thought it was the right move, since I hadnt gotten any better even after 7 days (maybe i got like 10% better). I am also now able to cut down on other medications like benzos and ambien because the opioid WDs stopped for now.

I suggest not tapering down off multiple drugs at the same time or within short periods of time.

Ambien and Lunesta a has much weaker detox than benzos.

 

[db7132]

I suggest not tapering down off multiple drugs at the same time or within short periods of time.

Ambien and Lunesta a has much weaker detox than benzos.

yah im doing one by one. i know better than that haha

 

[Babygirl25]

I can totally sympathise with what you're going through. I take it oxycontin with oxynorm for breakthrough pain and due to a stomach problem that causes me to o throw up for 1 week out of 3 I can take my last dose of meds the evening before my next delivery of pain meds and the withdrawal is something I wouldn't fish on my worst enemy. I've done possibly hundreds of heroin rattled and been feeling better after 4-5 days, but icy w/d is like nothing I've evsr experienced before in my life. What I'm trying to say us you're an incredibly strong person to get this far. You're doing so bloody well. I'd love to do that he same thing as my life is ruled by this drug. I find that although I redose every 12 hours about 6-8 hours after i6tske it there is such a crash as I come down and have to wait a further 4 hours before I can take another dose. I find your experience inspiring and although I don't know you and I'm very new to this site I feel proud of you for doing what you're doing. Your post, which I can really relate to has enabled me to see that yeah, I'm not the only person struggling, maybe in n a different way, but struggling nonetheless, and ok m amazed by your resilience to complete what you started. I don't know how it's going to go or what would help. All I know is that when you have come through this it's got to be better. Well done sweetheart. And thank you.