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Overcoming the fear of suicide using psychedelics

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You know what, some of these replies are starting to get on my nerves.


thenightwatch said:
lots of religions believe you will go directly to the worst possible afterlife if you commit suicide. it is an act of murder
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If it's murder, then logically if you fail you should be criminally tried for attempted murder with possibility of a lengthy prison sentence. You are a horrendously cruel person, or you need to consider what you say more carefully. And on the previous sentence, trying to scare people into living, what a wonderful treatment for the psychologically distressed.

as for Cpt. H's:

Dying people have bad 'dreams', with a side of religious fear-mongering, okay...


sekio said:
Suicide is a really serious issue and I don't like tarnishing it with mindbending compounds. I don't think anyone who is considering suicide should consider it (or need to consider it, rather) under the influence of powerful mind altering drugs. It's a serious topic and I think it deserves the utmost respect and clarity of thought before you make a "final decision".
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This was wonderful, and very respectful to the persons you are directing it at. Though quite opposed to your earlier post where you said
sekio said:
Suicide is not something a rational person needs to consider
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And that is rather demeaning, you are not the arbiter of rationality.

Amapola's dodging the issue, and rocker's kindly suggestion without judgment are also pretty nice in their own way.
 
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Solipsis said:
No offense but let me reopen this. While I don't think this fear should be encouraged as it is by nasty drug propaganda and the inflation of very uncommon instances where this happened, this is not necessarily a TDS issue. It is more hypothetical as I understand the question, it seems similar to me to the fear of getting a bad trip if you try a psychedelic.

Psychedelic-users should be the ones to discuss these particular fears IMO.

Some people have an irrational fear of flying. Telling them you are safer in a plane than in a car does not usually remove their vision of crashing down in a huge contraption, because this is an attempt to use a rational argument in order to defuse the fear.
Similarly I can try to tell you that suicide on psychedelics just does not happen significantly often enough to be afraid about it, unless you are already so emotionally unstable that you are already contemplating it! In that case: definitely avoid psychedelics. Otherwise, relax.

Just realize that the reason you are thinking this is because of horror stories. You will see a horror story, whether true or not, spreading epidemically but beautiful normal trips are ignored. People who don't have a clue about psychedelics may mostly know myths about them, their perspective can be very skewed.
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i have removed a phobia of wasps on a dose of shrooms. i just kept saying to myself "i can kill them , but they can't kill me" over and over while laughing and after the trip i no longer experienced severe nausea and fear when i saw a wasp. i will agree i find them unpleasant and dont want them in a confined space with me but the somatic improvements were very big indeed.
 
Never Knows Best said:
You know what, some of these replies are starting to get on my nerves.




If it's murder, then logically if you fail you should be criminally tried for attempted murder with possibility of a lengthy prison sentence. You are a horrendously cruel person, or you need to consider what you say more carefully. And on the previous sentence, trying to scare people into living, what a wonderful treatment for the psychologically distressed.
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dude i was in the hospital in the end of march for a suicide attempt. i think i can say whatever i want. i was just sharing what has helped prevent myself from trying it again.

when you've been there you tell me what works for you. until then please leave the insults to yourself. thanks.

btw attempted suicide used to be punishable by law... the laws still exist, but they're never enforced anymore...
 
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Never Knows Best said:
Um, no. The OP quite clearly stated, as sekio just quoted above "like if you wanted to commit suicide, what psychedelic or dissociative would you want to die on?" which when taken in conjunction with the thread title "Overcoming the fear of suicide using psychedelics," is asking "Assuming you wanted to commit suicide but were afraid to, what psych would you ingest to overcome this fear?"

That is unambiguously a suicide assistance thread if you ask me, and completely opposed to HR (yes OP, we know it's a hypothetical, but still this is advice that could be read by someone who is serious).
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I wholly agree with this. The concept of this hypothetical thread is completely against the harm-reduction philosophy and purpose of these forums.

edit: and anyway: K
 
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thenightwatch said:
dude i was in the hospital in the end of march for a suicide attempt. i think i can say whatever i want. i was just sharing what has helped prevent myself from trying it again.

when you've been there you tell me what works for you. until then please leave the insults to yourself. thanks.
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I see it's still a touchy subject for you then, I'll admit my only attempt was like 14 years ago and it was half-assed, so you got me there. And trying to call someone a murderer for what they decide to do with their own lives is very cruel (I should have made that clear rather than saying you were cruel, that was wrong of me), I'm not gonna back down on that. Though the definition of murder kind of requires it to be done to someone else.

I do not approve of it when people try to intimidate others into living through guilt or fear either. That will just cause them repress the issues at the heart of the matter, which may not be so bad if they were motivated by acute suffering from a transient circumstance, but if the issue is more systemic it needs to be understood and dealt with in an environment of respect and human decency (assuming the person wants to live that, is).
 
actually i got touchy because of the condescending tone of your post.

if someone is on a ledge getting ready to jump you say whatever you can say to get them to not do it. the slow approach that you hint at is probably a lot less effective in dire situations like that. IDK how close the OP is to the edge and neither do you. say whatever you want to the OP, but to tell me that i cannot share the beliefs that prevent myself from killing myself is ludicrous.

you are not an expert, and neither am i. for all you know what i said may have saved the OP's life when nothing else could have. idk if thats what did happen, but there is no denying that its possible that what i said was the best thing the OP could have heard...

anyway, this is not the place for arguments like this. if you have anything more to say about this PM me or start a new thread please...
 
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I don't get how having this thread isn't a bad idea. If it actually went somewhere, it would basically be a guide on how to kill yourself with the assistance of drugs. This could lead to loss of life and horrible press for psychedelics. None of that is harm reduction in the slightest.
 
I don't think posting such thread was a bad idea, although now it seems it would be much more suitable in TDS, rather than PD.

The literal answer to the OP's question. Yes, psychedelics can help to overcome the fear of death. If you're going to have no fear at one point of trip, then it probably won't work this way, and, moreover, it will have the opposite effect - intesifying of your fear. It doesn't happen magically and instantly.


OP, if you didn't ask this question out of pure curiosity, i.e. if you considering a (small) possibility of commiting a suicide, I strongly advise you to create a thread in The Dark Side. There are a lot of respectful people there, who were in different kinds of life situations, and you will get some good advices there. :)

(Feel free to contact me via PM, especially(but not only!) if you have questions about bluelight in general.
 
Nobody has the right to make the choice to kill themselves! as long as you have friends and family, that you leave behind.
Every living person has a duty towards their surroundings, to stay alive no matter how bad they feel.

Sure, if you have no friends, no family, no one to leave behind, then the decision is yours. Otherwise not.

What I mean is, when you are alive, you are choosing to be something in other peoples lives, when you kill yourself you are making a huge impact into their lives. You do NOT have the right to choose to affect other peoples lives this way. If you are depressed or something, you´ll just have to suffer and wait till you die of old age.

it´s just how I see it. People who kill them selves are giant egotists, they never think about the people they hurt, they only think about themselves.
 
Fagott said:
Nobody has the right to make the choice to kill themselves! as long as you have friends and family, that you leave behind.
Every living person has a duty towards their surroundings, to stay alive no matter how bad they feel.

Sure, if you have no friends, no family, no one to leave behind, then the decision is yours. Otherwise not.

What I mean is, when you are alive, you are choosing to be something in other peoples lives, when you kill yourself you are making a huge impact into their lives. You do NOT have the right to choose to affect other peoples lives this way. If you are depressed or something, you´ll just have to suffer and wait till you die of old age.

it´s just how I see it. People who kill them selves are giant egotists, they never think about the people they hurt, they only think about themselves.
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This is an incredibly heartless and selfish way to view a suicide victim's plight... where's your empathy? I really think to denigrate the unique burden and ungodly pain of a suicide victim as "egoistic" only displays that you've never been through such immeasurable suffering before.

From a purely objective standpoint (since you're trying to call someone selfish for killing himself) if a person is in such pain that they cannot bear to live, you are being just as selfish as he is asking him to undergo this pain simply so you can avoid the pain of him dying. In all honesty, you are probably being more selfish as your own pain at his death will not drive you to suicide - I'd imagine the kind of suffering he was experiencing was even greater.

edit: I do not advocate suicide: I think that seeking out therapeutic help is always the best option. However,

1) I find shitting on a suicide victim's plight and memory by calling them an "egoist" to be morally abhorrent. And,
2) I do not think that loading on guilt and shame to someone contemplating suicide is an effective method to prevent them from doing so. Honestly, do some of you listen to what you say? "Shame on you for the pain and suffering you are going to cause your family!" You think that's going to stop someone who is in such a rut that they are contemplating suicide?
 
Fagott said:
Nobody has the right to make the choice to kill themselves!
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what the fuck are you on about? its that persons life, its theirs to live, they can end it if they so wish. its that persons choice!
 
I've attempted suicide before, and never will again after finding my higher power (which is my business and I'm not here to preach). I think that this thread should be closed or moved to the dark side because what does suicide have to do with psychedelic drugs? Oh and I truly hope the OP is just being hypothetical and isn't dead right now after all of these replies getting into the erm... politics of suicide and all of the opinionated bickerings. No offense, but this thread really bothers me.

Oh, and there should be no shame in calling a suicide hotline... I've done it when I was very depressed and it chilled me out and made me realize that life is a terrible thing to waste. Life, in my opinion, is a painfully beautiful experience. It is chock-full of suffering, yes, but to transcend the suffering brings peace and happiness for me.
 
i think you could accidentally kill yourself on datura, but i'm pretty sure the thought process to which would never be as simple as "i am going to suicide" like you wouldn't even be thinking of dieing at all, you could be thinking something like "this swimming pool is great!" and then dive in only to be falling off a cliff
i have never actually done datura but i was reading on the B&D about how this guy who does it recreationally says the hallucinations appear very real i don't know how to describe it
 
Psychedelics can be very useful if used correctly to give you insight to the problems your facing. I've had some trials with 2C-P which have given me insight to a number of personal issues I have, and shown me the link between these and everyday life. I've never had these kinds of insight from other compounds including LSD.

It may be worth exploring some of these compounds to see if they can help you through the issues which are making you contemplate suicide. Its something I've never considered, as although I've had many personal issues, which are hard to live with on a day-to-day basis, there is also so many good things in this world that I still wish to explore.

Oh and also the thought of death spooks me a little. I guess its the ultimate unknown, and therefore cannot envision it in any way, and that kind of frightens me a little.
 
A better question might have been "can psychedelics help you overcome the fear of death?" The answer to this question is probably yes. However, "overcoming the fear" is somewhat ambiguous. If it means only overriding your survival instinct long enough to do something stupid, then psychedelics are hardly necessary. If, on the other hand, it actually means gaining enough insight into the nature of your mortality that it no longer bothers you, then I suspect that suicide would be the farthest thing from your mind if you were successful in this.
 
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