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Overcoming the fear of suicide using psychedelics

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like if you wanted to commit suicide, what psychedelic or dissociative would you want to die on?
 
This is a pointless thread for a harm reduction forum.

If you are having thoughts of suicide or harming yourself i suggest you contact a suicide help hotline.
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Suicide is not something a rational person needs to consider, much less on a psychedelic drug. There is a reason for having a fear of suicide it's a self preservation instinct that's there to remind you that things can always get better. If you have any problems you want to discuss you can also check out the Dark Side forum. There's lots of helpful people there who are willing to hear you out.
 
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This is a pointless thread for a harm reduction forum.

If you are having thoughts of suicide or harming yourself i suggest you contact a suicide help hotline.
USA
1-800-784-2433
1-800-273-8255
UK
08457 90 90 90
Australia
13 11 14

Suicide is not something a rational person needs to consider, much less on a psychedelic drug. There is a reason for having a fear of suicide it's a self preservation instinct that's there to remind you that things can always get better. If you have any problems you want to discuss you can also check out the Dark Side forum. There's lots of helpful people there who are willing to hear you out.
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to requote another misunderstanding :

Originally Posted by NoidDroid View Post
you dont need to commit suicide so why by afraid ?
whether or not I need to commit suicide is incidental and non-sequitur. The question is pretty specific to, what is your preference if you have one at all.

lets try to be a bit more professional and not make assumptions about where this is going, please.
 
Here is TDS's thread Suicide thread, for assitance and support for all things related to suicide the first post of which is an excellent read whether you are contemplating suicide or not.

As has been mentioned, though it could be argued open access to any and all information and discussion on suicide is a complex subject, when it comes to Bluelight's stance on the issue it is pretty clear cut so I'm going to close this now. Feel free to PM me or any other staff member with any questions or concerns about this OP/others and if any PD mods want to chime in for the last word they are more than welcome.
 
No offense but let me reopen this. While I don't think this fear should be encouraged as it is by nasty drug propaganda and the inflation of very uncommon instances where this happened, this is not necessarily a TDS issue. It is more hypothetical as I understand the question, it seems similar to me to the fear of getting a bad trip if you try a psychedelic.

Psychedelic-users should be the ones to discuss these particular fears IMO.

Some people have an irrational fear of flying. Telling them you are safer in a plane than in a car does not usually remove their vision of crashing down in a huge contraption, because this is an attempt to use a rational argument in order to defuse the fear.
Similarly I can try to tell you that suicide on psychedelics just does not happen significantly often enough to be afraid about it, unless you are already so emotionally unstable that you are already contemplating it! In that case: definitely avoid psychedelics. Otherwise, relax.

Just realize that the reason you are thinking this is because of horror stories. You will see a horror story, whether true or not, spreading epidemically but beautiful normal trips are ignored. People who don't have a clue about psychedelics may mostly know myths about them, their perspective can be very skewed.
 
like if you wanted to commit suicide, what psychedelic or dissociative would you want to die on?
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This question upsets me; there should be no reason except in "endgame scenarios" to commit suicide. The very notion of needing to "lose yourself" on a powerful psychedelic before you put a gun to your head, or drive off a cliff, feels immensely disrespectful to me. Not only to the person commiting suicide, but to others who will mourn your loss, people around you at the time, and the people who design and supply these compounds.

Suicide is a really serious issue and I don't like tarnishing it with mindbending compounds. I don't think anyone who is considering suicide should consider it (or need to consider it, rather) under the influence of powerful mind altering drugs. It's a serious topic and I think it deserves the utmost respect and clarity of thought before you make a "final decision".

I don't think the "problem" of not wanting to commit suicide is an issue that needs treating.

[edit] Aldous Huxley's last moments are not an exception here. Taking a psychedelic or dissociative to help nature on its way is different from wrenching your mind into a state just so you can cause permanent damage to yourself.
 
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soli said:
It is more hypothetical as I understand the question, it seems similar to me to the fear of getting a bad trip if you try a psychedelic...I can try to tell you that suicide on psychedelics just does not happen significantly often enough to be afraid about it
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Um, no. The OP quite clearly stated, as sekio just quoted above "like if you wanted to commit suicide, what psychedelic or dissociative would you want to die on?" which when taken in conjunction with the thread title "Overcoming the fear of suicide using psychedelics," is asking "Assuming you wanted to commit suicide but were afraid to, what psych would you ingest to overcome this fear?"

That is unambiguously a suicide assistance thread if you ask me, and completely opposed to HR (yes OP, we know it's a hypothetical, but still this is advice that could be read by someone who is serious).
 
suicide is not worth the risk. lots of religions believe you will go directly to the worst possible afterlife if you commit suicide. it is an act of murder that you cannot ask forgiveness for, since you will die as soon as you commit that sin.

i completely understand being fascinated with and desiring suicide. i am fairly obsessed with the idea myself. but i do not feel it is worth the risk considering the possible consequences...
 
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Please Reconsider...

Before you attempt suicide, or even use psychedelics in a mind state where you are going to be suicidal, please read these two short quotes (I found them here), surely if you are planning on killing yourself anyways, you have a few minutes to read over this and reconsider your life and your situation?

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This is from our Temple literature:

The Signs and "near death" experiences.

There are two ways to see the Signs. One is by Communing with
Yahweh, the Psychedelic, in this physical life. The other is to
physically die, or to come near to physical death. And since everyone is
going to physically die, everyone is eventually going to come to know the
Truth.
As the Koran says, (Surah III, 55): "(and remember) when Allah said:
O Jesus! Lo! I am gathering thee and causing thee to ascend unto Me, and
am cleansing thee of those who disbelieve and am setting those who follow
thee above those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then unto
Me ye will (all) return, and I shall judge between you as to that wherein
ye used to differ."
People who have had "near death" experiences reported seeing a "Light
of indescribable brilliance" which did not hurt their eyes. They also said
that the Light was clearly a Being which then Communicated with them.
Some of the things that these people said that the Light
said to them were: "Are you ready to die?" "What have you done
with your life to show Me?"; "What have you done with your life
that is sufficient?"; "Is it worth it?".
We have been Shown very clearly by Yahweh, the Psychedelic,
the Being of Light, that physical death is not the way to end
suffering, and that violence and anger is Condemned. Committing
suicide does not end suffering and only leads to Condemnation and
rebirth physically.
People who have had near death experiences from attempting
suicide have all reported that it didn't bring them anything but
more suffering. As one person said: "If you leave here a
tormented soul, you will be a tormented soul over there too."
That is, they found that the problems they had attempted suicide
to escape were still there when they "died", but were worse. In
the death state they were unable to do anything about their
problems, and they also had to see the suffering they caused
to others from their act.
A man who was depressed about the death of his wife shot
himself, "died", and was revived. He said: "I didn't go where
(my wife) was, I went to an awful place...I immediately saw the
mistake I had made...I thought, "I wish I hadn't done it."
Others who went to this unpleasant place said that they had
the feeling they would be there for a long time, and that this
was the penalty for "breaking the rules".
Some people who had "died" of causes other than suicide said
that while they were "dead" they were Shown that suicide was a
very wrong act for which there was a severe punishment.
One person who had a near-death experience after an accident
said: "(While I was dead) I got the feeling that two things it
was completely forbidden for me to do would be to kill myself or
to kill another person..." (from "Life after Life" by Raymond
Moody).


NSFW:

This was in a suicide newsgroup.
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About 20 years ago, I tried to do a swingcide. I got scared so bad
that I've never thought about offing myself ever since.

My first wife (I've been married 5 times, my 2nd wife hanged herself,
my 5th wife got shot by the cops, the other 3 were divorces, I've got
very poor judgement about women) was threatening to leave me for
another man. I told her that I would hang myself if she did. She
said, "It's your neck, if you want to break it, that's your business".
Very cold. After she left, I tried to hang myself 3 times. The first
time, I got an old rope in the garage, tied a noose in it, and tried
to hang myself in the garage, but the rope broke. Then I went to the
hardware store to get some good high-quality hemp rope. The hardware
store salesman looked at me strangely, and told me that he wouldn't
sell it to me, that I didn't look right, that I looked like I was
going to hang myself. At the next hardware store, the guy looked at
me kind of funny, and said, "I don't have any rope, not a drop". I
could see the coils of rope behind the counter, he was lying to me. I
yelled at him, "What makes you think I'm going to hang myself?"

The third hardware store had a young guy at the counter, and he sold
me the rope without question. I went home, and tried to hang myself
again. This time I had tied the rope too long, and my feet went all
the way down to the floor. I had failed again. The third attempt, I
tied the rope to a tree in the back yard. I kicked the stool out from
under me, and I felt myself drop, and then I heard this loud "Ghaack!"
and everything went black. I could feel myself swinging. I could
hear this high-pitched laughter, but I couldn't tell where it was
coming from. Then I could sense that the demons of Hell were standing
around me, laughing and enjoying it. They thought it was funny. They
were saying stuff like, "All right! We got him! Yeah! Ha! Ha! Way to
go!" I was scared shitless. I knew I was about to die and go to
Hell.

I felt myself drop again, I hit heavily on the ground on my side, and
then all the light came swimming back in. My next door neighbor was
standing over me with a machete. He had cut the rope. He yelled at
me, "Of all the damn fool things I have ever seen, this takes that
cake! You stupid idiot! You could have died!" I was angry at him,
and I wanted to kick his ass. But he saved my life that day. I
wrenched my neck pretty badly, it took several weeks for the burn
marks to go away.

Offing yourself: It's not worth it.

Ralph Jones

ObT: I shitted and pissed myself while I was hanging
there.
 
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