Overcoming Pinning?

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How can i overcome my aversion to pinning? I`ve done lots of oral cycles before and have had some good results,i took all the precautions that i could concerning health but i still know that i probably did some damage.Pinning just makes sense and i know that i would have much better results,but the last and only time i pinned Test e was in my quad,it was painless but before i could plunge i had passed out and cracked my head on the floor with my trousers round my ankles...Yes i know it sounds funny,but for me it put me off,i really didn`t want to experience that again.

If i had the oppurtunity of having someone else do it for me i think i would do it,but i don`t....So how the hell can i get over this?
 
First, I know nothing about steroids. However, I am a phlebotomist. I'm assuming "pinning" is injections?

Since you don't have someone else to do it, which would be my first choice. You can get over it eventually be desensitizing yourself to it...meaning doing/seeing it so frequently, it becomes normal.


I don't think cracking your head on the floor is funny at all. I'm sorry that happened, and I"m glad you didn't seriously hurt yourself. O.k., have some music on that you like.

You're going to need: a few blankets to put on the floor. Either ice cubes in a plastic bag w a cloth around it, or a gel ice pack. Pillows, one to put your head on, and one for behind you. A glass of orange juice or fruit juice you like. Smelling salts within your reach. Alcohol pads, or a cotton ball w alcohol on it.

1. You're going to have to start off already on the floor. Arrange blanket(s) on the floor so you can comfortably lie down.

2. Put pillows down. One for your head, and one behind you.

3. Arrange, within your reach in front of you...your ice pak, juice, smelling salts and alchohol pads or Alcohol and cotton.

4. Lie on your side with your head on the pillow, your top leg bent.

5. Wipe the injection site w alcohol.

6. You "dart" an injection in. It's a 1-2-3 thing. It literally takes a second. So, dart in, push the plunger down, pull out.

7. If you're really woozy, crack the smelling salts open. Put them under your nose.

8. Take a sip of your juice.

9. Put ice-pak on your head, take some deep breaths, calm yourself. Lie there for a few mins. and gather yourself.

If it takes you a little time to work up the nerve, so it takes you a little time. It's over in a second. Don't do it standing up, or even sitting if you get woozy like that. I wouldn't want you falling off of a chair either.

Concentrate on the music...people do get over that. I have seen it many times in patients I took blood from and gave injections to. Good luck. Hope t his helps a little. If there is any way you can find someone else to do it for you, that would be great. I'd still lie on the floor even if someone else did it.
 
Thanks stargazer for the very informative advice,i shall put this to practice and hopefully overcome my aversion. :)
 
It sounds like you are phobic a bit mate. I did not much like the thought of using a needle in the beginning either but, you get use to it. Star is right on with that you have to desensitize your self to it. And do your injections in your glute, then when your comfortable with that you can try other areas. There are a few things you can do to help minimize the PIP. one pin after a shower when your muscles are relaxed. Take the syringe ( preloaded) into the bathroom with you leave it out covered in a towel, to warm during your shower. Get out dry off swab your area and follow all the proper precautions and with the warmed syringe, inject into your upper glute. I use a 25g needle, 1 1/2" long the gauge matters the thinner the gauge the less pain. Though you have to have quality gear to use smaller gauge pins really, because poorly made, gear and be think same goes with high concentration gear. Warming it helps, the quads are great fro injections but for a first timer, go with the its easier. I use a slightly different method, I go in in a smooth motion not to fast not too slow, then depress the plunger slowly, this helps especially with gear as the volume of the injection and viscosity of the liquid can be an issue if your rush. Not to mention virgin muscle take to a slow approach with the volume as it is new to having the compound introduced into it.

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So as you stated you do not have either a significant other who can do your inject/ or wont/ cant. I am never a big fan of letting someone-else give me an injection let alone some one with no training lol. That being said unless your mate has training like Star there, Man up. I think A lot of this is your over thinking the process and this is starting to precipitate the beginnings of a phobia. If you dotn start to get a handle on it it will begin to develop into a full blown anxiety disorder around receiving/ watching an injection.
Watch some videos on performing an IM injection the glute, watch it a lot so it becomes part of your normal life, then it will begin to just become part of what you see and do, so when you begin doing it just becomes part of your normal day mate.
 
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It seems that your fear of injections is pretty severe. You can try using benzos a couple times to reduce the anxiety. Then it should be easier to inject.
If your gear is pharmaceutical, you can inject it subcutaneously. But don't do it if your gear is from a ugl. Cause you are at a greater risk of infection if you inject subcutaneously.
 
Just be careful of relying on a benzo, and even if it is Pharmaceutical grade be wary of the sub-Q injection with Oil based products, it may be fine with water suspended compounds, but I would be wary of oil Sub-Q. It would be best to slowly desensitize your self to the process of receiving an injection.
 
Yes, Neo that is a good point. I once had to have an H Big series done, I had put a needle through my hand, after injected a patient w hepatitis. I was beside myself. The gammagobulin is thick, and hurts going in. The gauge on those types of needles is long, wide, w a opening in the needle, so the thick gammagob can get out...I had it done in my glute. Needles don't bother me though. It hurt like hell, burned. I had to have three shots of that, but hey I didn't get hepatitis. Phew.

I had a patient, that like you got faint from needles, but he didn't tell me that. I'm drawing his blood, and falls forward onto me...his head is on my shoulder, the needle is still in his arm...and I slowly inched backwards so I could lean against the wall...there I was, this man against me pinning me to the wall ,I was saying "I need some help back here"...if he would've told me he got faint, I would've had him lie down while I was drawing his blood, and stayed right next to him...I had adrenalin in my reach to..so I was prepared for anything. In that situation smelling salts, some juice, and and ice pak worked, and I had him lie down for about fifteen mins.

I don't know if you can go to the Pharmacy/Chemist to get rigs where you are. I'm assuming you're from the UK, because you say "trousers" instead of "jeans or pants"...in my state, you can buy syringes over the counter. Always be clean w needle use, and only use it once.

Neoprimitive made a great point about the warm shower...everything is softer aftwards, and it warms up the contents in the syringe. Best of luck to you.
 
Yeah Gamma is think, a lot of AAS is around that consistency especially the vast majority of UGL stuff. That must have been a close call, I have seen what Hep C does my mother has it ( bad body part from Jefferson Hospital a few years back and the bastards waited out the Statute of Limitations. before disclosing to some thing like 3200 patients) using a shoddy body part procurement company detestable. But OP take it slow man, really, what you want to do is just become comfortable with the act of the injection. It took me a bit, my self, but only with the large volume injections, Now with the HGH its 2x a day, plus twice a week with the large volume injections, when I move to adding in the IGF-1, and Test Suspension lol it will be 2 HGH / 1IGF-1 LR3 / 2x Test Suspension that's every day lol plus the twice weekly injections LOL you get use to it.
 
I didn't have any issues injecting 0.1-0.2ml of Test Enanthate sub-Q abdominally, though that's quite a small amount and being enanthate it's dosed at 250mg/ml, so only small volumes are needed. If you're running a shorter cycle of 6-8 weeks, you'll more than likely be using propionate which in my experience is always dosed much lower at 100mg/ml so you'll need a larger volume for the same dosage...might not be so comfortable injecting sub-Q or could cause problems.

My 2c
 
Neo, I 'm sorry to hear about what happened to your mom...Not only was it unethical, it was dispicable. They should be shot for that.
 
I think most steroid users had a fear of some kind when they 1st started pinning, when I got my 1st 2 10ml vials of Sus250 and Test400 for my 1st cycle and all my needles and shit I was buzzing and ready to go, I loaded up the barrel with a ml of each , wiped my glute with an alcohol wipe then boom , the fear kicked in, I must of been walking around the living room for about 15 minutes syking myself up to do it and just couldn't , so I got my MRS to do it, didn't feel a thing, got her to do it the following week, same again, after that my weekly injections soon became 5 days then 4 days then 3 lol, I was jabbing like it was going out of style, until the rage of crazy amounts of test kicked in, it was my 1st cycle and I jabbed over 2grams in 1 jab, so you could say I got carried away with the needle, long story short, you can overcome it lol :D
 
Idk what it is but injections don't bother me but getting blood ttaken screws me. Ugh gotta do bloods tomorrow and dreading it. And I know the pin cushion feeling. I shot heroin for 3 years with some IV coke abuse so we're saying 20+ pokes a day back then in some cases. Then I used peptides for a bit and that was 3 sticks a day. Just got my gear today so after bloods I'll "push off" (lol junkie term) next Monday or so. I'm just not accustomed to IM injections as I've done thousands of IVs (myself and others) and probably a good 200-300 Subcutaneously. I'm gonna have my girl do my first pin though.
 
Indeed. Said thing is it was while she was in for surgery on her back 3 fusions in the lumbar region she was a nurse, specialized in Alzheimer's, and psych patients, She met my father in the service, pulled some shrapnel out of his ass in a field hospital lol.

Eh its better IM in the long run as most convert from testosterone to estradiol ( or what ever parent hormone to its various metabolites) point being there is a higher density of Ai receptors in areas of dense adipose tissue. So say in the abdomen, with a higher rate of Adipose tissue the conversion rate of the parent hormone to its various metabolites at you guessed it a higher rate.

As fro 6-8 week cycles. I would not waste my time take a full 12 weeks, 10 at the minimum, and you will get what your looking for out of a cycle. I know there are proponents of the short higher dose cycles, but frankly a standard dosed, and length cycle is just going to give you a better chance of achieving your goal. Yes you can do, short esters but frankly, again the changes still take time, and to shut your self down for 6 weeks, is not worth it. In my book, same goes with people running HGH for short cycles 180days, thats 6 months people is what you want to run it for, other wise dotn waste your money, save it and run it properly.

So Trozzle why the Sub-Q injections? just a way to spread out your injection sites?
 
Honestly can't recall what the reasoning was, mate. I suspect it was to do with the fact I was cruising at the time but pinning the enanthate ED with a 0.5" 27g insulin syringe - so most injection sites were no good for such a short needle. My source (both the gear and all information) said to pin belly fat, which I did for a couple of weeks. Sometimes got a little bit swollen around the area, though so did pinning the same area with water-suspended HGH. Main reasons I stopped was that I realised the fat later on my quads was almost non-existent, so the 0.5" needle was plenty long enough for low-volume IM injections either in quads or delts. I don't do delts though due to the retarded angle you gotta get your hand into haha
 
lol I got you on that delts are a bitch to get your self. I have a low BF% too but I still use the lawn darts of the 1.5" pin just to make sure i get into the muscle lol. But I have tried the delt thign my self solo shit is annoying.
 
If I'm blasting I'll be using a 1" 25g (or 1.5" 23g if I've run out of 25g lol), but given my cruise is either 0.1 or 0.2ml it doesn't feel like enough volume to necessitate a deeper injection. Absolutely no issues so far with the 0.5" 27g even with 0.4ml ED injections. Plus unless I hit a sensitive spot, I deadset don't feel a thing when pushing the needle in :)
 
lol yeah im use to the needle at this point lol. I have had to use 2og at times but that dose suck like going from a nice civilized needle to a lawn dart lol
 
Fuck. That. I've almost had to use a 21g one time, was NOT keen. Accidentally put an 18g on one time too lol, put the point to my skin and was like wait a second, something doesn't look right here....OHSHIT NO THANKS!!!
 
Exactly, It was like son of A bitch last time I forget to make sure to order enough needles for the actual pin, and not just the one withdrawing the compounds. Now yeah ll of my shit is 25g, or 29 for my peptides, I hope the test suspension I end up getting is thin and i don't need to deal with PIP plus lawn dart fro the old school water solution it is lol.
 
Luckily I can just stop by the govvy needle exchange place on the way home from work and grab 100x 25g, 100x 21g, and 100x 3ml barrels for a grand total of AU$27 lol...plus 45x 27g 1ml insulin syringes for free...so running out isn't always going to bite me in the ass, plus I just keep plenty on hand anyway :)


Back on topic - TL;DR - suck it up OP :P


haha jks jks of course


EDIT: I really hope the above doesn't somehow fall under price discussion LOL
 
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