Covid-19 Outbreak of new SARS-like coronavirus (Covid-19)

[AutoTripper]

The fact that we had shutdowns and mask mandates does not automatically mean this is a sinister plot to subvert our rights.

I do not dispute the logic of what you say here.

 

[AutoTripper]

The time for evaluation is now. In fact, the time for evaluation was the first day your government shut down society. That's when alarm bells should have been ringing. The alarm bells were in fact ringing all around the world but the messaging has been so powerful, the sheer amount of resources globally utilized in every aspect of government to weaponize this pandemic, many people who simply automatically trust their parental government who always know best and kisses you before you go to sleep, didn't even challenge what was happening. In many ways they didn't stand a chance.

This isn't a new thing. Historically humans have always tried to find ways to control one another, sometimes in the most brutal and sickening of ways. Today warfare isn't so straightforward. You don't need troops on the ground to take over peoples lives. You don't need to drop bombs. Advanced military tactics involve non-violent alternatives to the old fashioned rape and pillage method that stretches back through history. If you research anything on your government try researching how much money and resources they've pumped into being able to wage wars against adversaries without so much as a boot print on the ground. Governments can destroy societies and segregrate them accordingly very easily without anyone so much as blinking an eye. They did it in the sixties with the counter culture revolution. They have done it historically with black people. This isn't accidental. The thing to remember is, how many bullets were used throughout these ordeals? You'll see that much of it was covert and involved sinking deep into the fabric of social reality in order to distort it to achieve their goals.

Compare that to now. All they are doing is turning all their resources onto the general population at large, not specific minorities. It's an all-out attack on everybody. The intelligence and military apparatus of your country is now running at full capacity. Psy-ops, propaganda, puppet mainstream media operatives, psuedoscience, formenting of public unrest, smear campaigns, manipulation of history, science, culture, social constructs, torture techniques. It's all on display and yet it's hidden away. It's on your TV, radio, billboards, it's being chirped like repeaters by your neighbours, etched into the public consciousness so that you cannot get away and yet... where are the tanks? the GIs? the physical threat?

That's the art and power of divide and conquer. If you do it successfully, your adversary will willingly give you the sword to chop off their head. They will willingly open the gates to the kingdom because they will be so distracted by the ongoing theater they won't know the enemy from a friend. And here you are today. Much of the people around you have opened those gates and let those people in and now they are supplanting themselves in YOUR kingdom in order to ensure from now onwards they've got the best vantage point to guarantee dominance over their newly acquired victims. While people are screaming to each other in the streets whether this a virus or that is a virus, whether it's a matter of this or that, life in your kingdom is being forcedly transformed to accomodate the new form of governance.

Religion was used at one point in similiar ways. It was the power of the cross, not the power of automatic firearms. Yet still, the power of the cross caused devastating bloodshed across the planet. And the people? How many are Christian today because of those crusades? Work it out. Christian. COVID-19. Christian. COVID-19. What's similiar about those two things? The power of belief. You MUST believe in God and if you do not you will be cast out of society, or killed. You MUST believe in COVID-19 and if you do not you are a criminal, a murderer, a crazy person, and likewise, you will be cast out of society.

The time is now to evaluate.


Vaccines have a lengthy history of controversy. What makes it go away though and become less prominent is the fact the mainstream media has been bought out along with practically every other medium for conveying information to the public. You don't hear of vaccine failure, you only hear of vaccine success. Just like you only tend to hear of anti-depressant success instead of the vast amounts of failures globally with many around the world failing to reap any longterm benefit from taking them, many actually getting worse. You only tend to hear about the good things which then paints a picture of these areas being innately good. The fact is that is wrong. And when it's ignored it's also dangerous.

But who is reporting on both sides? You won't find your mainstream news channel doing that. Most websites you visit you won't find unbiased information for both sides, and yes, that includes the positives. The other side of the story is vastly different to what many people believe. If people knew the dark reality of the vaccine industry, of big pharma, of it's ties to government and private interests, linked to that the agendas (which are public knowledge) they would be more cautious.

Vaccine harms are real. The evidence linking them to all sorts of extremely negative things is all over the place but, you won't be seeing that while you're being told to roll up your shirt.
Just like you're not told the reality of war and who is behind it when you're new in the military and think you're fighting for guardian angels who only really fight because they absolutely need to (and not because of the dirty world of war, politics, power, resources and psychopathic leadership). Take it everything and then work things out.

This entire process had to happen, unfortunately, as an essential, catylist, for humanity to awaken, whichever way it goes. Will it be too late?

We will see. I hold hope, but prepare for anything.

Unimaginable good can emerge from devastatingly bad, one of the ironies in life.

 

[AutoTripper]

Mandates and sanctions by puppets and clowns.

It's a thearter alright.

 

[ions]

Clandestine drug synthesis is a strange behavior.

 

[finitelifeform]

Something I posted about the 1918/1919 pandemic the other day addresses this. This is NOT unprecedented. 100 years ago in the last pandemic, they also shut down, and in fact jailed people for refusing to wear masks and conform to guidelines. They did this in the last global pandemic too, in fact more stringently (in America anyway, I can't speak for other countries). And then those restrictions were lifted when the pandemic was over. The fact that we had shutdowns and mask mandates does not automatically mean this is a sinister plot to subvert our rights. There is precedent.

As I said, if things don't return to normal once vaccinations have happened, I will call foul. Until then, the response makes sense to me, even if some places probably went overboard.

That was a real thing. It really happened. Comparing the Spanish flu to COVID-19 is like comparing apples and oranges.

Spanish flu was not theater. It was also not weaponized. It came about naturally, was dealt with at the time, and then went naturally. This has been blown up into a new paradigm of war and the enemy is everybody. Your body is now essentially a disease and you're being punished it. The goal is to eradicate the filth that is your flawed organic existence. No society that values its existence deems it necessary to throw everything away but then again, this is Western civilization. Here we are narcissistic, materialistic, superficial and lack our own sense of personal and collective responsibility. We are devoid of a sense of real meaning and identity, lost our connection to community, spirit, nature a long time ago. Philosophers and academics have been writing about the imminent demise of the Western world for a long time. There's a reason we are the most mentally unwell, overweight, starved of creativity, attention and lost trying to find our place among everything. There's a reason people think happiness is Instagram followers and doing whatever the crowd think is acceptable.

Give the people a puzzle to solve, a crisis to reckon with and they show they are closer to their prams and their mothers bosoms than they are what you might call a mature, realised, self aware and integrated individual. As soon as the picture fragments they go running to anybody who assumes an authority figure desperate for solutions. The government has ensured through years of gradual conditioning and manipulation, you choose them first. Meanwhile, your world never remains the same. There's no stability, nothing that makes sense, everything is merely an illusion (just like the matrix says) and within a split second we're at war with somebody else for reasons that are hidden away, we are given another product to consume, told were not good enough until we make it in life, that we need X Y Z, that we must hate on X Y Z, we must believe X Y Z. The answers never seem to be found. The solutions never actually appear. New problems always occur and it's somehow your fault or at least you are made to sacrifice your freedoms for something you never asked for, be it war or anything else.

But hold the line, all of this being true, COVID-19 and the destruction of society around the world is legitimate. Nothing to see here folks. Keep paying for your Netflix subscription. Keep medicating yourself with highly addictive pharmaceutical medication. Keep thriving for that promotion, then the next, then the next. Keep consuming like a good citizen. Keep watching the brainwashing mainstream news. It got "hacked" in the sixties when project Mockingbird was a thing. What makes you think it's not still ongoing? Everybody knows the news is trash. Yet we now all of a sudden believe it? Keep in line for your latest iPhone, that will distract you.

None of this would happen in a healthy, stable and functional society. But seeing as we focus on trying to escape reality at any cost and want to find anything that takes us away from the raw facts of how our world works, we aren't very healthy, stable or functional, are we? In fact, a long psychotic break is what everyone is desperate for, they are just already too far gone to understand the difference between psychosis/delusion and reality.

 

[finitelifeform]

And so the problem already existed for a long time. Society that lacks any real values, self awareness, direction, identity etc and has corrupted itself is going to attach itself to anything whether its a new iPhone or the next war. And this is exactly what benefits those in power. And its not accidental

 

[atara]

I got vaccinated :D

 

[AutoTripper]

I got vaccinated :D

Good luck. Genuinely. I care for all people.

 

[Xorkoth]

And so the problem already existed for a long time. Society that lacks any real values, self awareness, direction, identity etc and has corrupted itself is going to attach itself to anything whether its a new iPhone or the next war. And this is exactly what benefits those in power. And its not accidental

I completely agree with you on this, that has been happening long since before this pandemic. As well as the entire premise of the problem. But pandemics also happen unplanned. Occam's razor to me, based on the information I have from what I've read and what I see in my life, suggests to me that what I'm hearing from the people that have made it their life's work to study viruses and epidemiology, and people in my family who are doctors, is an actual natural event that we are responding to. Yes, some governments might be pushing too far, but the whole thing isn't being coordinated on the whims of a few shadowy characters. Look, you guys are saying this is like a flu season, I have never known one person personally who has died of the flu in all my life. I know 5 people so far from covid. There are people with long-lasting complications; I know one of them. A lot of people are reporting long-lasting loss in the sense of taste and smell. You can't tell me it's not happening, I see it happening, to people I know.

 

[Deleted member 521610]

I have a feeling covid 19 is going to peak really bad by the end of 2021 with how retarded and stingy the governments are been with the vaccine doses. Covid-19 has a huge chance of mutating in people who only had one dose which does not give them any protection til the second dose and with the way it seems to be going is the fucking retards want to give one dose and then the second dose 3 months later if at all by then. This will lead to covid mutating as some form of resistance is present by not enough to prevent infection the virus will realize this and mutate into a super covid-19 which will cull the worlds population by tens of millions.

I dont think this problem is not going to be fixed til at least the end of 2022.

 

[negrogesic]

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Not trying to be mean but do you actually believe that these contraptions work? Do you really believe that these boxes containing a 9 volt battery could have saved someone from succumbing to COVID-19 as you have suggested? Let me guess, you never had a positive test result, you merely suspected (much like the Lyme disease, chronic fatigue syndrome or whatever diagnosis of exclusion disorder i would imagine you are afflicted with). Not trying to be cruel but perhaps i am short on patience at the moment.

Perhaps that's because my grandmother is currently dying of COVID-19 at the moment. They just started higher doses of palliative morphine. Sure she is old but she didn't have to die this way, in isolation, away from her family. She was otherwise healthy. Just old. A box with a 9v battery in it won't save her life.

The destructive nature of this disease will be take time to be felt. Long-term impacts of the disease in the young and mildly symptomatic will haunt us in the years to come. It's interesting how quick we are to sacrifice the old and weak, but the imaging seems to suggest a myriad of detriments may afflict the young (they just don't quite know it yet).

 

[Meth novice 79]

I have a feeling covid 19 is going to peak really bad by the end of 2021 with how retarded and stingy the governments are been with the vaccine doses. Covid-19 has a huge chance of mutating in people who only had one dose which does not give them any protection til the second dose and with the way it seems to be going is the fucking retards want to give one dose and then the second dose 3 months later if at all by then. This will lead to covid mutating as some form of resistance is present by not enough to prevent infection the virus will realize this and mutate into a super covid-19 which will cull the worlds population by tens of millions.

I dont think this problem is not going to be fixed til at least the end

Not trying to be mean but do you actually believe that these contraptions work? Do you really believe that these boxes containing a 9 volt battery could have saved someone from succumbing to COVID-19 as you have suggested? Let me guess, you never had a positive test result, you merely suspected (much like the Lyme disease, chronic fatigue syndrome or whatever diagnosis of exclusion disorder i would imagine you are afflicted with). Not trying to be cruel but perhaps i am short on patience at the moment.

Perhaps that's because my grandmother is currently dying of COVID-19 at the moment. They just started higher doses of palliative morphine. Sure she is old but she didn't have to die this way, in isolation, away from her family. She was otherwise healthy. Just old. A box with a 9v battery in it won't save her life.

The destructive nature of this disease will be take time to be felt. Long-term impacts of the disease in the young and mildly symptomatic will haunt us in the years to come. It's interesting how quick we are to sacrifice the old and weak, but the imaging seems to suggest a myriad of detriments may afflict the young (they just don't quite know it yet).

Not trying to be mean but do you actually believe that these contraptions work? Do you really believe that these boxes containing a 9 volt battery could have saved someone from succumbing to COVID-19 as you have suggested? Let me guess, you never had a positive test result, you merely suspected (much like the Lyme disease, chronic fatigue syndrome or whatever diagnosis of exclusion disorder i would imagine you are afflicted with). Not trying to be cruel but perhaps i am short on patience at the moment.

Perhaps that's because my grandmother is currently dying of COVID-19 at the moment. They just started higher doses of palliative morphine. Sure she is old but she didn't have to die this way, in isolation, away from her family. She was otherwise healthy. Just old. A box with a 9v battery in it won't save her life.

The destructive nature of this disease will be take time to be felt. Long-term impacts of the disease in the young and mildly symptomatic will haunt us in the years to come. It's interesting how quick we are to sacrifice the old and weak, but the imaging seems to suggest a myriad of detriments may afflict the young (they just don't quite know it yet).

I am so so sorry to hear about your Grandmother Negrogesic, I can think of nothing more horrific for you, your family and your Gran. This disease is cruel, it doesn’t discriminate despite popular belief and the cruel taunts of those crying ‘hoax’ or selling snake oil treatments is nothing short of insulting at such a time.
Not cruel at all, you were kinder than I could have been.

Thinking positive for a miracle for you guys x

 

[finitelifeform]

I completely agree with you on this, that has been happening long since before this pandemic. As well as the entire premise of the problem. But pandemics also happen unplanned. Occam's razor to me, based on the information I have from what I've read and what I see in my life, suggests to me that what I'm hearing from the people that have made it their life's work to study viruses and epidemiology, and people in my family who are doctors, is an actual natural event that we are responding to. Yes, some governments might be pushing too far, but the whole thing isn't being coordinated on the whims of a few shadowy characters. Look, you guys are saying this is like a flu season, I have never known one person personally who has died of the flu in all my life. I know 5 people so far from covid. There are people with long-lasting complications; I know one of them. A lot of people are reporting long-lasting loss in the sense of taste and smell. You can't tell me it's not happening, I see it happening, to people I know.

I disbelieve most of the alleged deaths from COVID-19. Not because I don't care but because the deaths have been massively exaggerated.
This has been proven across the board. All you have to do is find the right sources of information that provides both sides of the story and you see information that otherwise is 'dangerous' to the public not because it's actually dangerous but because it exposes the reality that you're being lied to. There would not be a massive deal being made about it if it was concrete and people were told the truth. Millions of people around the world including respected career professionals from all fields have come out expressing the same reality - much of what you are told is a lie and that the virus is a political one. A political virus with the PR machine and psy-ops in full swing.
And yes, this whole thing is being driven by external influences to your government doing this to 'protect' you. As I keep saying, this is a change in paradigm triggered by those who govern the economy, financial sectors, health and social policy etc. Paradigm shifts happen every other decade, they've just never been as extreme as this one. This one didn't pull back on the punches. This one if you like, was the big one. And it's intended that way. It's all been a process of establishing the foundations, hence why society has been systematically prepared for events like this. You are conditioned to expect events like this, even when you're not fully aware of it. You are indoctrinated through all aspects of your life.

The result? You firmly believe there is an invisible force that is an existential threat to the world as we know it. The same was said about all the scapegoats used throughout modern wars. How could a man living in a cave in Afghanistan among some of the poorest citizens of Afghanistan from the poorest tribal farming communities in the land, be able to destroy the Western world? World superpowers barely can scrape even against one another in terms of firepower, resources, political clout etc. You think a bunch of Afghanistani warring tribes that without US and Western support could take on the US, UK, Europe? Come on. You were tricked into believing WMDs existed in Iraq but intelligence services knew well before going there was no evidence of them. This was admitted after the war and theres plenty of unclassified documents that show this.

They are always invisible. There are always out of reach and if you try and find them you are branded a threat to society and called a denier and smeared.
The truth is in front of you. You've been gaslighted into assuming it's happening all around you. The stage has been set and now you're living in a 24/7 Hollywood movie but it's real life and the stops have been pulled on this one so you can't tell the difference between a scripted scene and reality. I haven't heard of one single death from COVID-19 where I'm from. People keep saying people are getting sick but all these people have predisposed and diagnosed health conditions. Many of them coincidentally are elderly and are at the end of life, many again, with health conditions. Many haven't been given the correct level of care since the start of this mess and so it's no wonder they are dying without the support from society they deserve. Many here in the UK have been given DNR orders as recommended by their own doctors! People with disabilities were sent DNR orders in the mail! None of them asked for them and none of them even had a conversation with their GP! The healthy people who are dying make up the extremely small percentage of people who die from either undiagnosed conditions or through unexplained illnesses at the time. Many if they are dying either way form a hugely trivial number of deaths. So trivial that it would be insane to actually shut down society because of those deaths.

Here in the UK we are reaching 100,000 deaths. Shave off the padding and you could probably say it's around 10,000. Maybe less. Maybe a little bit more. Deaths here are put down as COVID-19 if they are on the certificate. Makes sense. Only there is no way to actually diagnose the disease other than symptoms. The PCR tests are so unreliable they should be fake medical accessories you get in a fancy dress store along with all the costumes. Nothing provides enough confidence in diagnosis to say someone has the disease, died with or because of it. Yet... it doesn't matter to the UK government. A death is a death and if it's COVID-19, it's a COVID-19 death.

People are writing to their MPs and to the government all over the country. One woman (I saw in a news article) said her father was given COVID-19 as a cause of death despite the hospital treating him before his death for heart issues. He was expected to pass on very soon, the hospital and his daughter knew this. It doesn't matter though because this whole agenda doesn't give a damn about actual people, they are used to tally up the numbers like cattle being counted before slaughter. His death now contributes to the OVERALL death count here in the UK despite it not being true. This is one example out of many of them. You're just not seeing this because it would destroy the entire foundations of this agenda to depopulate the world and usher in a new form of governance.

It's sad because much of what is going on has ties to the original eugenics movement back before they had to rename themselves when the public became educated on their agendas.
Do your research and you'll see this for yourself. Black people have been among the most profiled in this pandemic, along with other demographics. Apparently they are more suspectible to COVID-19. Then again, so are many other demographics apparently, that weirdly enough are not white. I could go on and on. It's all out there. It's part of the history of modern Western civilization. It's not even hidden away. It's just preferred you hear the mainstream version of history. Do your research and you'll see for yourself.

 

[Meth novice 79]

M

I disbelieve most of the alleged deaths from COVID-19. Not because I don't care but because the deaths have been massively exaggerated.
This has been proven across the board. All you have to do is find the right sources of information that provides both sides of the story and you see information that otherwise is 'dangerous' to the public not because it's actually dangerous but because it exposes the reality that you're being lied to. There would not be a massive deal being made about it if it was concrete and people were told the truth. Millions of people around the world including respected career professionals from all fields have come out expressing the same reality - much of what you are told is a lie and that the virus is a political one. A political virus with the PR machine and psy-ops in full swing.
And yes, this whole thing is being driven by external influences to your government doing this to 'protect' you. As I keep saying, this is a change in paradigm triggered by those who govern the economy, financial sectors, health and social policy etc. Paradigm shifts happen every other decade, they've just never been as extreme as this one. This one didn't pull back on the punches. This one if you like, was the big one. And it's intended that way. It's all been a process of establishing the foundations, hence why society has been systematically prepared for events like this. You are conditioned to expect events like this, even when you're not fully aware of it. You are indoctrinated through all aspects of your life.

The result? You firmly believe there is an invisible force that is an existential threat to the world as we know it. The same was said about all the scapegoats used throughout modern wars. How could a man living in a cave in Afghanistan among some of the poorest citizens of Afghanistan from the poorest tribal farming communities in the land, be able to destroy the Western world? World superpowers barely can scrape even against one another in terms of firepower, resources, political clout etc. You think a bunch of Afghanistani warring tribes that without US and Western support could take on the US, UK, Europe? Come on. You were tricked into believing WMDs existed in Iraq but intelligence services knew well before going there was no evidence of them. This was admitted after the war and theres plenty of unclassified documents that show this.

They are always invisible. There are always out of reach and if you try and find them you are branded a threat to society and called a denier and smeared.
The truth is in front of you. You've been gaslighted into assuming it's happening all around you. The stage has been set and now you're living in a 24/7 Hollywood movie but it's real life and the stops have been pulled on this one so you can't tell the difference between a scripted scene and reality. I haven't heard of one single death from COVID-19 where I'm from. People keep saying people are getting sick but all these people have predisposed and diagnosed health conditions. Many of them coincidentally are elderly and are at the end of life, many again, with health conditions. Many haven't been given the correct level of care since the start of this mess and so it's no wonder they are dying without the support from society they deserve. Many here in the UK have been given DNR orders as recommended by their own doctors! People with disabilities were sent DNR orders in the mail! None of them asked for them and none of them even had a conversation with their GP! The healthy people who are dying make up the extremely small percentage of people who die from either undiagnosed conditions or through unexplained illnesses at the time. Many if they are dying either way form a hugely trivial number of deaths. So trivial that it would be insane to actually shut down society because of those deaths.

Here in the UK we are reaching 100,000 deaths. Shave off the padding and you could probably say it's around 10,000. Maybe less. Maybe a little bit more. Deaths here are put down as COVID-19 if they are on the certificate. Makes sense. Only there is no way to actually diagnose the disease other than symptoms. The PCR tests are so unreliable they should be fake medical accessories you get in a fancy dress store along with all the costumes. Nothing provides enough confidence in diagnosis to say someone has the disease, died with or because of it. Yet... it doesn't matter to the UK government. A death is a death and if it's COVID-19, it's a COVID-19 death.

People are writing to their MPs and to the government all over the country. One woman (I saw in a news article) said her father was given COVID-19 as a cause of death despite the hospital treating him before his death for heart issues. He was expected to pass on very soon, the hospital and his daughter knew this. It doesn't matter though because this whole agenda doesn't give a damn about actual people, they are used to tally up the numbers like cattle being counted before slaughter. His death now contributes to the OVERALL death count here in the UK despite it not being true. This is one example out of many of them. You're just not seeing this because it would destroy the entire foundations of this agenda to depopulate the world and usher in a new form of governance.

It's sad because much of what is going on has ties to the original eugenics movement back before they had to rename themselves when the public became educated on their agendas.
Do your research and you'll see this for yourself. Black people have been among the most profiled in this pandemic, along with other demographics. Apparently they are more suspectible to COVID-19. Then again, so are many other demographics apparently, that weirdly enough are not white. I could go on and on. It's all out there. It's part of the history of modern Western civilization. It's not even hidden away. It's just preferred you hear the mainstream version of history. Do your research and you'll see for yourself.

‘Massively exaggerated’ is the resulting conclusion of looking only at one type of research (or as you like to word it, the RIGHT type of research)
‘Largely misunderstood still’ is the conclusion you would reach if you looked to the other kinds of research for information.
Neither source is entirely incorrect in their summation, it’s how they choose to slant their wording in order to feed a particular narrative that needs to be considered more objectively.

We are only just now learning just how deceptive and ingenious COVID can really be and while improvements are happening all the time, you will never be able to get an exact and accurate figure for positive cases because everybody presents differently and is symptomatic by their own unique time line with a window of between 4 days and 3 weeks
With this information alone it’s logical to assume not everybody would be receiving timely testing to accurately get a snap shot of their positivity.
And many pass by the illness relatively unscathed until for some other reason they have a CT scan done and lung tissue damage is found and observed as likely COVID caused (also really difficult to tell since it presents similar to a myriad of other illnesses that leave the same hallmarks)
In Italy people are returning to hospital very ill with degenerative lungs many months after their positive diagnoses, at what point do we draw the line and say ‘well it’s been x amount of time since diagnosis, but this tissue carries the trademark of a typical COVID infection, a positive has been shown and we can’t really know for sure if COVID will have caused death had there not been preexisting injury of similar nature or did COVID trigger the injury to begin with?
Chicken and the egg argument?

Each country/jurisdiction has been left to decide where to draw their own line on what counts as a COVID death and what doesn’t and as a result we are getting quite a variety of different responses from all different parts of the world, kinda balances the scales somewhat at least, if you know where to source your data.

 

[Xorkoth]

Also the people I know were otherwise healthy, suddenly developed the symptoms reported in severe COVID cases, and died from it. I'm looking at my own personal experience with this pandemic, and it's a huge stretch for me to try to rationalize it away as "well they probably died from something else". Similarly if someone is, say, diabetic, or has heart problems, and gets COVID and dies... it seems to me that in that case, COVID is what killed them. Maybe their disease would have eventually killed them (or I should say certainly), but we're talking some time down the line, years, even decades. Cause of death is still COVID.

 

[Xorkoth]

To be clear I know I said that my aunt was diabetic, so not totally otherwise healthy, but she had it under control and there was no reason to think it would have claimed her anytime soon.

 

[AutoTripper]

Well I'm not sure it is worth my energy to respond to the virtual insults and insinuations such as me simply fabricating the artificial reality of having my fit, happy, healthy, active life destroyed by a tick bite carrying Borrelia for example, but this is an example of not really being aware of what you are actually saying.

Not cruel at all, you were kinder than I could have been.

You essentially imply that by genuinely trying to help people with true information, based on extensive personal experience, wrt the science and practise of electromedicine, which TOTALLY TOTALLY is NOT snake oil, for all you actually KNOW or CAN SAY @Meth novice 79 , you simply blindly dismiss it out out strongly conditioned beliefs you are not even aware that you have, and your figure of speech empathetic comment here implies that I deserve some level of wrath!

How do you know that electromedicine does not work? You don't. I doubt you know very much.

I'm sorry but some people just are not very nice, and lack self awareness.

I could give more extensive details and answers in response to the insinuation that I basically imagine my whole life and illness etc to fit a fantasy....but I cannot be asked. The thought of taking up that brick-walled debate from the off alone, literally drains me and makes me feel sick.

So, separately, for anybody oblivious to the true red-tape nature, existence, intention, and current implementation of Agenda21, I just found a very smart, qualified lady explaining it in a nutshell. She is no nutjob.

ROSA KOIRE EXPLAINS AGENDA 21 & THE GREAT RESET [2020-12-20] - DAVE CULLEN (VIDEO)

The globalist buzzword phrase SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT is a synonym for GLOBAL COMMUNISM. It has NOTHING TO DO WITH SAVING THE PLANET and EVERYTHING TO DO WITH COMPLETE CONTROL OF THE MASSES. Agenda 21, Agenda 2030, The Great Reset, The COVID-19 PLAN…

www.bitchute.com

 

[novaveritas]

I have a feeling covid 19 is going to peak really bad by the end of 2021 with how retarded and stingy the governments are been with the vaccine doses. Covid-19 has a huge chance of mutating in people who only had one dose which does not give them any protection til the second dose and with the way it seems to be going is the fucking retards want to give one dose and then the second dose 3 months later if at all by then. This will lead to covid mutating as some form of resistance is present by not enough to prevent infection the virus will realize this and mutate into a super covid-19 which will cull the worlds population by tens of millions.

I dont think this problem is not going to be fixed til at least the end of 2022.

First dose and a delay is unlikely to cause escape mutants. The first dose of any of these vaccines provides the lions share of protection, for moderna something like 89% efficacy after first dose and 94% after second, The issue if you are concerned about partial immunity is when the protection wears off in something like 6- 12 months. This really isn't something to be overrly bothered about right now.
Given the vaccines to not produce sterilizing immunity everybody infected has the potential to brew up something new, whether vaccinated or not. Called out efficacy with these vaccines is preventing symptomatic disease only, the efficiency against asymptomatic infection is likely much lower based on the limited evidence available.

The reason for not doing one dose and a long delay is that this was not trialed and nobody knows how long protection lasts in this situation. but using two doses to provide 2 vulnerable people with 90% protection right now versus one person 95% protection and leaving the other completely unprotected is logical.

So proposing a first dose and delay because of limited availability is not just the ideas of "fucking retards". Some of these, Like John Bell, may not be the greatest scientific minds but they are a long way from retards. If they were complete retards how come they are making so much money from all of this?

It is much more likely that coronavirus will passage through an animal host, and back into humans to make radically new flavors, so you can fear and cower at that possible outcome. I'm not.

The last major novel coronavirus that ran through global populations to all intents vanished after a year, this one will be delayed by lockdowns but it too will disappear. In the meantime the game is to try not catch it because that is a path changing event which doesn't need to happen, beyond that, the world will keep on turning.

to all those people who think perhaps I am callous and they have lost people they care about due to COVID, this is nothing of the sort. Unfortunately people die, in other years it would be flu or viral pneumonia or whatever, life as the saying goes is a terminal condition. I have seen several people with cancer that has unnecessarily advanced to stage 4 because treatment was delayed by the coronamania, these people will die before their time as a consequence of coronavirus, not due to coronavirus and it really fucking pisses me off.

 

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‘Massively exaggerated’ is the resulting conclusion of looking only at one type of research (or as you like to word it, the RIGHT type of research)

Research that is objective and rationally approaches dealing with things propionately.

‘Largely misunderstood still’ is the conclusion you would reach if you looked to the other kinds of research for information.

To a certain extent. Then again, we were not born yesterday. There are such things as established knowledge, facts, science, truth. All this has gone out of the window in order for us to take leave of our senses and believe in magical, irrational and catrastrophic thinking. Established facts are established facts, they do not become otherwise.

Neither source is entirely incorrect in their summation, it’s how they choose to slant their wording in order to feed a particular narrative that needs to be considered more objectively.

To a certain extent. The pro crowd are significantly misled and this does not help their cause, particularly people who otherwise would see things differently if the variables in place for them to come to their conclusions had their caveats visible. Again, being honest is a great start and this will allow the narrative to be as it is and for people to make up their own minds.

We are only just now learning just how deceptive and ingenious COVID can really be and while improvements are happening all the time, you will never be able to get an exact and accurate figure for positive cases because everybody presents differently and is symptomatic by their own unique time line with a window of between 4 days and 3 weeks
With this information alone it’s logical to assume not everybody would be receiving timely testing to accurately get a snap shot of their positivity.

It's convenient we cannot prove something exists when the percussions of evidence presented to people is this whole thing disappears. We know enough about medicine and enough about the science behind diseases to be able to say with a very high degree of confidence it is present. This is different. And it's different not because we have entered a new chapter of science. It's different because it's bullsh*t. Simply put. The vast amounts of knowledge we have does not match up to the way things are being done. Millions of people around the world recognize this, both in and out of professional circles. When you have professors who have taught at some of the most respected education establishments in the world who are saying this doesn't add up, you can be assured it doesn't add up. Safe to say, making excuses for positive cases to be so slippery and conveniently deceptive is the work of crooks, not scientists.

And many pass by the illness relatively unscathed until for some other reason they have a CT scan done and lung tissue damage is found and observed as likely COVID caused (also really difficult to tell since it presents similar to a myriad of other illnesses that leave the same hallmarks)

You said it yourself. It presents as myriad other illnesses because IT IS myriad other illnesses. Everything has been bandied under COVID-19 to reinforce the numbers so at the end of this premeditated global emergency they can point to the cooked numbers and tell you it was very real. The presence of severe harm done to individuals who have become infected is extremely low. Serious/critical cases at the moment is less than 1% of active cases, it's around 0.5% and has been decreasing ever since the start. So to use lung tissue damage to reinforce your point is like saying everybody who falls off their bike and gets a graze also breaks their arm as well.

In Italy people are returning to hospital very ill with degenerative lungs many months after their positive diagnoses, at what point do we draw the line and say ‘well it’s been x amount of time since diagnosis, but this tissue carries the trademark of a typical COVID infection, a positive has been shown and we can’t really know for sure if COVID will have caused death had there not been preexisting injury of similar nature or did COVID trigger the injury to begin with?
Chicken and the egg argument?

Italy has some terrible air pollution. This contributes to the overall decline in health as well as decreased life expectancy. Some parts of Italy where the air pollution is particularly bad is also the parts of Italy that were most affected by COVID-19. I'm referring to Lombardy here where Lombary also has the highest pollution rate having already exceeded levels considered acceptable. Lombardy currently has severe levels of pollution, highest in Europe. Most people that are dying in Italy are elderly, the same as around the world. Only 5% of all people who have become infected DO NOT have a predisposed medical condition. In Italy the elderly that have died or become seriously ill had 2 or more illnesses upon investigation. The Italian healthcare system collapsed (not surprisingly when you destroy the healthcare system itself) and more deaths were counted. The reason why is because they, like many other countries, stopped the normal process of providing healthcare and so the most vulnerable in society pay the price.

Each country/jurisdiction has been left to decide where to draw their own line on what counts as a COVID death and what doesn’t and as a result we are getting quite a variety of different responses from all different parts of the world, kinda balances the scales somewhat at least, if you know where to source your data.

And that makes it acceptable. So if you go to the US they say you have depression but if you go to the UK they say you have heart disease? What if you go to India? Do they have a broken leg? The logic in your comment speaks for itself. You're residing to the fact that essentially no country on the planet is dealing with this correctly and yet contrary to this you're saying it balances the scales. This is classic cognitive dissonance. You'll find abuse victims exhibit the same symptoms when they are attempting to convey their experiences of abuse. They will side with their abuser and rationalize their abuse while at the same time condemning them and hating them. It's the classic "I love you, I hate you" scenario. When you're in this situation you could say you're head is f*cked and you need a break. Based on this fact, you're not making a good argument for promoting why things are like they are.

 

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Any word on these two covid-19 vaccine deaths in norway that google is censoring the fuck out?. Why cant they just be open and upfront its only two deaths instead they censor it all trying to wipe the internet clean. Fucking makes things very untrustworthy becareful about getting this vaccine to soon its unproven and fast tracked. The only safe one is the russian spunik 5.