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Covid-19 Outbreak of new SARS-like coronavirus (Covid-19)

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Xorkoth said:
My friend's grandma just died of covid. She went from no symptoms to trouble breathing in 2 days, and she chose not to go on a ventilator as she just felt it was her time. She died a day later. She was quite old, but healthy otherwise. Her nursing home had an outbreak.

That brings the total count of people I know personally who have died from covid (those who were otherwise healthy beforehand, except in the case of my aunt who was diabetic, but even then, it would be silly to say diabetes killed her) to 5, 1 of whom was ~40 years old and healthy, 1 of whom was in her 90s, and the others of whom were between 55 and 70. I cannot recall any flu season where even one person I know has died. I'm not saying covid is horribly deadly or anything, but my experience this year suggests it certainly is at least several times more deadly than the flu.
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Sorry for your losses. Personally I would want to investigate more the exact causes of their deaths.



BMJ - Rise in the incidence of abusive head trauma during the COVID-19 pandemic
London hospital sees 1493% increase in babies with Abusive Head Trauma (AHT) during one month of lockdown.
Lockdown zealots are, quite frankly, evil people. Second only to the evil psychos in government.
 
Xorkoth said:
Interesting, I have never heard of electrotherapy for pneumonia. Do you have any links to info about that?
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JessFR said:
I'm pretty sure it's more alt medicine quackery ;)
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With respect Jess, I absolutely have to call that plainshocking ignorance. Being pretty sure about something you have zero personal experience, knowledge or even awareness of....need I say more.

@Xorkoth again I am (not unexpectedly) pleased by your openness. I can assure you, on my life, literally, living with virtually no immune system for 15 years, particularly wrt respiratory infection, making me a sitting duck, electromedicine is absolutely not one iota quackery.

It has been painted as such by guess who ultimately? Those lovely drug companies. They know very well what works as it's paramount to their thriving business success to know their competition and eliminate it.

Hence the whole gigantic attack on, suppression of, and literally everywhere possible, the outlawing of natural and alternative medicines and treatments.

Propaganda extreme has assaulted electromedicine, via FDA regulation, despite the fact they have patented it's use for safely and effectively disabling and killing microbes in the blood.

If you google it, you would be sure to find plenty of shamefully dishonest, drug company originned propaganda and slander.

I no way on earth could still be living today without using electromedicine to treat, control, lower and cure....every single respiratory infection I have had over the years of massive immuno-compromisation (another cool sounding term, just not the nicest meaning).

Now in reference to the inevitable crowd here who I'm "pretty sure" lol, will dismiss any such notion as quackery, I cannot really care.

But @Xorkoth is respectfully open minded, and I hope you may be able to place at least a tiny bit of trust in my personal testimony, as a battler of longterm illness, that this stuff is as legit as can be.

It has saved my life hundreds of times. I acquire new respiratory infections so frequently. To go more than 7 days without a new viral or bacterial infection, is a rare feat.

Every time I pick up a new virus, within 24 hours, it has invaded my entire lungs. Breathing and living is unbearable. The severity to which I personally experience respiratory infections is abnormal. On a scale, let's say a new infection is 80-90% in my lungs. Debilitated by fatigue and breathlessnes, inflammation and pain- I hit all infected areas with the Electrifier, and within a day or two the level of infection in my lungs is below 20% on the estimated scale.

With each successive treatment, infections are continually lowered until completely eradicated from my lungs.

Electromedicine does not distinguish either. It works on every pathogen present at the same time, to equal measure.

Anyway, for the sake of both survival, and comfort in life, I was forced to explore any and all avenues of treatment and management, in a genuine catch 22 situation.

I discovered so much. I truly owe my life to electromedicine, and the pioneers in the field.

Nearly a century ago, a great man called Royal Raymond Rife developped a machine using specific frequencies, which safely, effectively, quickly, and without fail cured every type of cancer, by targetting the cancer cell with it's own, matched up, identical frequency.

The cells literally just erupted, no harmful side effects to the patient, besides the unavoidable- Law of Physics- detoxification and "die-off" process whenever destroying microbes in the body and eliminating the toxic waste frok their dead bodies.

Well Raymond Rife kind of disappeared somehow, his work was destroyed, lab burned to the ground.

This is another story altogether, and just a shameful aside to what I am saying here.

Here is the website I bought my vital electromedicine device from. This great man saves my life by the work he does, on my life 1000 times!

Twice imprisonned in the US for helping sick people, he eventually moved to Paraguay to be able to continue serving humanity, and thank god for me and so many others.

There are lots of other legitimate, harmless and effective devices out there, from different entrepreneurs, who IMO are only able to tap into the grand astonishing potential electromedicine holds, which as a non corrupt, brainwashed race, could be developped, harnessed, optimised and in place in every hospital for every patient.

The first link is the website main page, he gives lots of info, links and explanation of the basic principles of electricity for killing pathogens, he tells his own personal story of how he ended up in this walk of life, his exiling from USA, and additional alternative methods of treating many different chronic health conditions, especially cancer.

The 2nd link is the specific device I use, as does my 70 year old mum, whenever needed.

He makes an array of different devices.


Microbe Electrifier Plus / DC Electrifier

This low cost blood purifier by Bob Beck kills all bacteria and disables all virus.
www.dragonfly75.com www.dragonfly75.com

Now anybody who just refuses to even consider that this stuff is genuine and that it works- I am just going to call an Ace a Spade and say you are plain close minded, or "condition"-minded.

I know squat about US Politics, viral genome sequences etc, and a plethora of things in this world.

This subject I have tons of direct personal experience with. I don't feel like I need to argue and debate in futility to convince any skeptics. If someome is open minded enough to look into it, I can absolutely assure you, employing this treatment to clear infection safely, you will see remarkable results.

THEN you will believe. @Xorkoth none of this rhetoric is addressed towards yourself here, to be clear, well partly just as general info, but not in a challenging sense.

If everybody was as open minded as yourself, this post would be shaped wuite differently.

Some people are just shockingly dismissive and unconsciously mind progammed (interestingly, I believe that is correct spelling. In which case, "Programme" is a very accurate and valid spelling.)
 
JessFR said:
So yeah like I said, alt medicine quackery.
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I don't expect much otherwise Jess from you. You clearly know all about this topic which has barely dawned on your horizon to say the logical least. So you are fully and fittingly qualified to 100% dismiss it in the faintest heartbeat.
 
Xorkoth said:
I'm not gonna dismiss it before I look into it. Thanks for the links AT. No time now but it'll be interesting to check out when I get a chance.
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Yes please do mate. I shared all above out of respect for yourself and your openness. But also out of duty because I know of the lifesaving potential of this treatment.

I mean, I am just about done with bashing my head against a brick wall. But I will still speak my mind and heart and will not hesitate, in anticaipation of rejection, to share information I KNOW to be true.

If it can save one life, at one time, it is worth me being labelled as one of "them" lol! ;)
 
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Well then you completely understand why I am mocking it...

Cause I believe ignorance in science costs lives. I believe ignorance of placebo effect and belief in alternative medicine costs lives.

And as easier as it'd be if I could stay quiet and let people just say the shit they wanna say, I feel compelled to at least mock these kinds of claims. Since I certainly can't stop people believing them.
 
JessFR said:
Well then you completely understand why I am mocking it...

Cause I believe ignorance in science costs lives. I believe ignorance of placebo effect and belief in alternative medicine costs lives.

And as easier as it'd be if I could stay quiet and let people just say the shit they wanna say, I feel compelled to at least mock these kinds of claims. Since I certainly can't stop people believing them.
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It is your rightful prerogrative Jess, and by no means are we obliged to agree, but in this case you are simply incorrect in your conclusion and belief regarding the legitimacy and efficacy of electromedicine as a therapy for safely killing all types of pathogens in the body.

Now on a more positive note- thank heavens, I have managed somehow to realign my kneecap, which was visibly twisted, possibly partially dislocated.

With care and attention, it should heal and I will not need any hospital services.

I do need some drugs though lol. Coming right up- pure, clean organic Sun Grown Bluedream vaporization loaded ready to go. Maybe a shower, and hopefully some food later.

Bluedream first though.
 
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ions said:
Intelligence is a gift to be used for the greater good of mankind.
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I won't disagree. Unfortunately though, like a double sided coin, it is used for the greater demise of humanity, individually and collectively, unwittingly to many or most.
 
@AutoTripper yeah that quote is from Spider-Man. Kind of cheesy. We don’t have a free market so there is a point where you can go to far. Unless ur in Epstein’s pedophile ring.
 
JessFR said:
And as easier as it'd be if I could stay quiet and let people just say the shit they wanna say, I feel compelled to at least mock these kinds of claims. Since I certainly can't stop people believing them.
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The reason you feel compelled to mock is basically due to a form of mind programming. It's a knee-jerk reaction that you cannot control. People are trained to keep others who stray from the herd back in line.


Righteous indignation meets intelligence. Awesome:
 
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JGrimez said:
The reason you feel compelled to mock is basically due to a form of mind programming. It's a knee-jerk reaction that you cannot control. People are trained to keep others who stray from the herd back in line.


Righteous indignation meets intelligence. Awesome:
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Well in my own observation, I would say simply that this lady is a perfect example of having her head firmly screwed onto her shoulders.

It's actually materially visible, in a metphorical, sense, the way her head dances around like an astral traveller attached by an unseverable string, to the rest of her body.
 
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Xorkoth said:
If we don't return to normal after this, then I will start to re-evaluate my position. In America, anyway, I seriously doubt we won't get back to normal. I can already do almost whatever I want. They have never even enforced mask mandates in my state. If it's a sinister plot to take away all our freedoms, they're doing a piss poor job of it, where I live anyway. I can't speak for other places, it sounds like it's a lot more intense in Europe.
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The time for evaluation is now. In fact, the time for evaluation was the first day your government shut down society. That's when alarm bells should have been ringing. The alarm bells were in fact ringing all around the world but the messaging has been so powerful, the sheer amount of resources globally utilized in every aspect of government to weaponize this pandemic, many people who simply automatically trust their parental government who always know best and kisses you before you go to sleep, didn't even challenge what was happening. In many ways they didn't stand a chance.

This isn't a new thing. Historically humans have always tried to find ways to control one another, sometimes in the most brutal and sickening of ways. Today warfare isn't so straightforward. You don't need troops on the ground to take over peoples lives. You don't need to drop bombs. Advanced military tactics involve non-violent alternatives to the old fashioned rape and pillage method that stretches back through history. If you research anything on your government try researching how much money and resources they've pumped into being able to wage wars against adversaries without so much as a boot print on the ground. Governments can destroy societies and segregrate them accordingly very easily without anyone so much as blinking an eye. They did it in the sixties with the counter culture revolution. They have done it historically with black people. This isn't accidental. The thing to remember is, how many bullets were used throughout these ordeals? You'll see that much of it was covert and involved sinking deep into the fabric of social reality in order to distort it to achieve their goals.

Compare that to now. All they are doing is turning all their resources onto the general population at large, not specific minorities. It's an all-out attack on everybody. The intelligence and military apparatus of your country is now running at full capacity. Psy-ops, propaganda, puppet mainstream media operatives, psuedoscience, formenting of public unrest, smear campaigns, manipulation of history, science, culture, social constructs, torture techniques. It's all on display and yet it's hidden away. It's on your TV, radio, billboards, it's being chirped like repeaters by your neighbours, etched into the public consciousness so that you cannot get away and yet... where are the tanks? the GIs? the physical threat?

That's the art and power of divide and conquer. If you do it successfully, your adversary will willingly give you the sword to chop off their head. They will willingly open the gates to the kingdom because they will be so distracted by the ongoing theater they won't know the enemy from a friend. And here you are today. Much of the people around you have opened those gates and let those people in and now they are supplanting themselves in YOUR kingdom in order to ensure from now onwards they've got the best vantage point to guarantee dominance over their newly acquired victims. While people are screaming to each other in the streets whether this a virus or that is a virus, whether it's a matter of this or that, life in your kingdom is being forcedly transformed to accomodate the new form of governance.

Religion was used at one point in similiar ways. It was the power of the cross, not the power of automatic firearms. Yet still, the power of the cross caused devastating bloodshed across the planet. And the people? How many are Christian today because of those crusades? Work it out. Christian. COVID-19. Christian. COVID-19. What's similiar about those two things? The power of belief. You MUST believe in God and if you do not you will be cast out of society, or killed. You MUST believe in COVID-19 and if you do not you are a criminal, a murderer, a crazy person, and likewise, you will be cast out of society.

The time is now to evaluate.

chinup said:
i think i'm familiar with virtually every argument anti vaxxers trot out because i find it utterly fascinating as a phenomenon. i know what a double blind placebo trial is and that in the case of vaccines its unethical, because they are SO safe and effective that to leave people unprotected from preventable disease would contradict the vow to 'do no harm' that doctors make.

vaccinations go wrong less often than many things you do on a daily basis and this has been shown time and again to be the case. on balance the risk is far, far smaller than that of complications when contracting vaccine-preventable diseases such as polio and measles.
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Vaccines have a lengthy history of controversy. What makes it go away though and become less prominent is the fact the mainstream media has been bought out along with practically every other medium for conveying information to the public. You don't hear of vaccine failure, you only hear of vaccine success. Just like you only tend to hear of anti-depressant success instead of the vast amounts of failures globally with many around the world failing to reap any longterm benefit from taking them, many actually getting worse. You only tend to hear about the good things which then paints a picture of these areas being innately good. The fact is that is wrong. And when it's ignored it's also dangerous.

But who is reporting on both sides? You won't find your mainstream news channel doing that. Most websites you visit you won't find unbiased information for both sides, and yes, that includes the positives. The other side of the story is vastly different to what many people believe. If people knew the dark reality of the vaccine industry, of big pharma, of it's ties to government and private interests, linked to that the agendas (which are public knowledge) they would be more cautious.

Vaccine harms are real. The evidence linking them to all sorts of extremely negative things is all over the place but, you won't be seeing that while you're being told to roll up your shirt.
Just like you're not told the reality of war and who is behind it when you're new in the military and think you're fighting for guardian angels who only really fight because they absolutely need to (and not because of the dirty world of war, politics, power, resources and psychopathic leadership). Take it everything and then work things out.
 
finitelifeform said:
The time for evaluation is now. In fact, the time for evaluation was the first day your government shut down society. That's when alarm bells should have been ringing. The alarm bells were in fact ringing all around the world but the messaging has been so powerful, the sheer amount of resources globally utilized in every aspect of government to weaponize this pandemic, many people who simply automatically trust their parental government who always know best and kisses you before you go to sleep, didn't even challenge what was happening. In many ways they didn't stand a chance.
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Something I posted about the 1918/1919 pandemic the other day addresses this. This is NOT unprecedented. 100 years ago in the last pandemic, they also shut down, and in fact jailed people for refusing to wear masks and conform to guidelines. They did this in the last global pandemic too, in fact more stringently (in America anyway, I can't speak for other countries). And then those restrictions were lifted when the pandemic was over. The fact that we had shutdowns and mask mandates does not automatically mean this is a sinister plot to subvert our rights. There is precedent.

As I said, if things don't return to normal once vaccinations have happened, I will call foul. Until then, the response makes sense to me, even if some places probably went overboard.
 
JGrimez said:
The decision that vaccines are safe is made first, therefore double-blind placebo safety testing isn't necessary (this is actually insane when you really think about it and also for the fact we are injecting babies with them).
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All of the potential COVID vaccines are undergoing double-blind placebo-controlled trials. In each case where the FDA or NHS or Health Canada or has given emergency approval for these vaccines, that approval was based on data from double-blind placebo-controlled trials.
 
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