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Other Cannabaceae members?

Ham-milton

Ham-milton

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I was wondering if anyone here was aware of any other psychoactive members of the cannabaceae family?

I read once of 'tree cannabis' which I assume is a celtis and probably not psychoactive. Is this accurate?
 
Are you refering to Hops, Ham?

There is an interesting species of Cannabis (Cannabis ruderalis) that apparently flowers independently of light cycle but does not produce a very desirable high. IIRC it is native to eastern Europe.
 
Jamshyd said:
Are you refering to Hops, Ham?

There is an interesting species of Cannabis (Cannabis ruderalis) that apparently flowers independently of light cycle but does not produce a very desirable high. IIRC it is native to eastern Europe.
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No, there was a reference to a tree cannabis that was something like 10 feet high, a real tree, I mean. I'm pretty sure they claimed it was indigenous to thailand or malasia or somewhere in that part of the world. It was online, I know, and maybe at Erowid.

Is ruderalis offically considered an independent species? I thought that Cannabis sativa was the only recognized species of Cannabis, and the other's being subspecies (and not even offically recognized as such).

If I'm wrong, I'd love to know!

But what about all the other plants in Cannabaceae, are any of them psychoactive or even been analyzed for usefuls?
 
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something like this, Ham?
 
Ham-milton said:
No, there was a reference to a tree cannabis that was something like 10 feet high, a real tree, I mean. I'm pretty sure they claimed it was indigenous to thailand or malasia or somewhere in that part of the world. It was online, I know, and maybe at Erowid.

Is ruderalis offically considered an independent species? I thought that Cannabis sativa was the only recognized species of Cannabis, and the other's being subspecies (and not even offically recognized as such).

If I'm wrong, I'd love to know!

But what about all the other plants in Cannabaceae, are any of them psychoactive or even been analyzed for usefuls?
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Thailand, you say??... there is a vast jungle within a 1 minute walk away... ;)


As for Ruderalis, I have always seen it, as well as Sativa and Indica, presented as separate species. Although you do have a point, since they can be interbred.

I have just found this, btw: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trema
 
That's obviously not too closely related to the cannabis sativa plant, though- they made it sound like it was just a tree-sized cannabis plant.

Oh well, that one is a monster! It's gotta be about 12-15 feet tall (assuming they're 5'- which is likely a big underestimate. Definitely not something I'd smoke! Maybe it was just really big cannabis plants exagerated into being a 'tree.'

Yeah, I've seen the presented that way too, but I don't think that's any sort of official recognition. If they can interbreed, and produce fertile offspring, then they'd be considered subspecies, no?

And which Cannabis sativa is the 'true' sativa? I mean, that's the latin for the indian hemp plant, not suitable for smoking either. Does the smokable one become Cannabis sativa, and the hemp plant Cannabis sativa india? Or the smokable sativa become Cannabis sativa sativa?

I'd like to see a real, scientific look at the claimed subspecies / varieties. I'm sure someone's looked, but I've never seen it.
 
I agree, I'd love to see that as well.

But yes, to my knowledge, a rule of thumb is that separate species cannot produce fertile offspring (if any offspring at all).
 
But genetically disparate hybrids often cannot. Have you anything to add to this thread? We discourage bumps of archaic threads that don't add information.

ebola
 
Hey, an archaic thread I started is always in need of a bump!!

Anyway, I'd like to see an overview of the biology and botany of the cannabis plant and its relatives.
 
I remember reading recently about a species in a different genus but same family as cannabis sativa which was recently discovered to produce a CB agonist that was previously unknown to science. I'm trying to find the artticle without luck, but if I do find it again I will post it back here.
 
SeenSoFar said:
I remember reading recently about a species in a different genus but same family as cannabis sativa which was recently discovered to produce a CB agonist that was previously unknown to science. I'm trying to find the artticle without luck, but if I do find it again I will post it back here.
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Please do, I'd be very interested in reading that.
 
yeah not only is perrottetinene weaker than THC, but there is also less perrottetinene in Radula spp. than there is THC in cannabis. So it really has to be extracted to be much good.

Also while perrottetinene containing Radula species are not uncommon around the world, they are slow growing in the wild and have never been cultivated, so if this plant ever actually achieved much success as a "natural legal alternative to cannabis" then readily harvestable wild stocks would likely be quickly depleted (much like what happened to various Pedicularis species when those went through a brief phase of being sold as cannabis alternatives, until they became too scarce to be wild harvested profitably).
 
Toz said:
There is a (probable) cannabinoid that's being produced in a plant that's not a member of the Cannabaceae family though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perrottetinene. It would be cool to know if it was psychoactive since it resembles THC in my eyes at least. It's produced in the liverwort plant Radula marginata.
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See that inversion in stereochemistry between perrottetinene and THC (leftmost stereocenter as pictured on wikipedia)? That kind of inversion can cause a big drop in efficacy, I wouldn't be surprised if that's what was happening here.
 
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