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Opioids - first time - Fun

PLugging is wonderful (; just did it today and im as high as shit!

Okay, try plugging the highest dose of dillies you've ever done, even if it takes a few syringes full.

The trick is too lube it up lay on your side and get it about 2 inches up there. Once you pulled down teh plungers, slowly take it out and remain there for about 15 minutes then get up and start walking around. You will be high as fuck
 
Sounds like you need 80mg oxycontin 3 times a day from your tolerance.

Just no your already heading down a bad road. It might take someone with chronic pain to jump the meds you have in 3 years!
 
Bodhi - thanks for the warning, but I'm not worried yet. I mean look, it's friday night, I have almost 200 dillies sitting there, I actually DO have some mild back pain tonight... and for a moment I considered taking a few... but I just wasn't in the mood. Didn't feel like it. If I was even close to being addicted yet, I'm not sure how I could have passed that up. Same thing last night.

On the other hand, I have these muscle relaxants that didn't do much for me past the first night I tried them. I think I'm going to plug one just to see if it works better.

How will I know when I'm addicted? I have to assume the first step is never "not" being in the mood to get high.

CHRIS: I get up right after I've plugged, you don't have to lay there ya know.
 
well, since it seems like you are continuing on this path of yours i have one suggestion...

SET YOUR LIMITS NOW!!!

basically, write yourself a contract that says "I will never do more than X amount of dillies in any 24 hour period." then sign it and keep it somewhere. hopefully X will equal the number your doctor has prescribed.

you know you're an addict when you keep finding ways to break this promise to yourself. when you say, "oh the pain is worse tonight. I think I need 5 more to ease the pain..."
 
Holy Christ.. is this like watching a slow-motion train wreck or what? The nonchalant attitude is so cliche of a newbie user, it's almost hard to believe that John is serious. I only wish that I could travel back in time to where you are now John and go in another direction, but like you, I wasn't about to listen to anyone and had to lose everything many times over to make absolutely sure I had lost control.
 
Plugged 4 dillies last night and tonight... it was nice, but I can't say it zoned me out so much that I'm dying to do it again. I don't know, I just don't see myself anywhere near being addicted.

Good thing is my back is healing up nicely. It may just be a temporary reprive from the steroid pills I was given, but given my history, I should be as good as new within a week or two.

And then enough time will have passed that I'll finally be able to pick up my refill for my last 100 dillies. That will bring me up to a stash of nearly 300.

Ok, I promise to set a limit - I will not let my stash get under 100 pills!

But honestly, unless I try taking 10 of these things and get that super-awesome buzz I seem to be chasing, I think I'll be bored of this stuff very soon and find myself going for little more than the ocassional as-you-need-it escape.

I mean, from what I gather, most people would be slumped over, drooling in their chairs after plugging 4 dillies... and I don't really have a huge desire to try massive amounts of this stuff, so I think all I've learned is that, given my body chemistry, I should save the opiates for special ocassions and look elsewhere for a regular buzz.
 
Thursday night/fri morning I was in a serious world of hurt. Shakes, fever, cold sweats, vomiting until I could taste my pancreus - check, check and check. And with back pain still very much present and accounted for!

i wouldn't be so sure it wasn't from the ultram, with taking a 400mg dose. i have a very high tolerance to opioids myself, and had went to the ER for back pain. they prescribed ultram, and i took it like it said on the bottle, 1-2 50 mg pills every 6 hours. when i had gotten a few doses in my system, i got cold sweats, a fever, and was vomitting so profusely that i was admitted in the hospital for 3 days. they said it was just my system not agreeing with the ultram, and that it was actually a quite common side effect. i don't know that i would call it an allergic reaction for certain, because i've taken smaller doses since and been ok, but i'm weary of taking it unless it's all i have and i'm having w/d's.
 
this thread is rediculous, you keep contridicting yourself.. you say theres no way you could be addictied and then say you used today and the day prior.. and every day prior to that, for like what a week/fortnight or more?!?! your using hydromorphone aswell! dude how many times does it have to be said, just because you dont feel high or any amazing rush doesnt mean that when you dont have the junk that you arnt going to feel terrible withdrawals! then you say you should save them for a special occasion? bro, you dont seem to get high off them! there not special!! FLUSH THE SHIT IS ALL I CAN SAY!
seriously tho, some peope have all the luck......
 
I don't know what to say.... I do appreciate the heads up everyone has been giving me, I just don't know if I see my own personal warning signs of addiction.

If the pain is really bad in the morning, i'll take 2 percs, and that seems to help, but I've only done that 3 or 4 times since this whole thing started 3 weeks ago. I generally save the pain meds for the evening.

I admit, one of the reasons I do it at night (the dillies) is because it's easier to "enjoy" the buzz then, and since I've been a little stressed out lately, it helps with that too and lets me go to bed in a better frame of mind.

And they do help with the pain, which I still have (although it's far less than it was) and it's in the evening that I am sitting in front of the computer for several hours, which I can't do without the meds.

The few nights in the last 2 weeks I wasn't feeling any pain and was in a good mood anyway, I skipped the pills - I just didn't feel like I needed them for any reason. I think there were 2 nights in a row I didn't touch them, and I'd like to think that would have been very hard to do if I was facing any withdrawl symptoms or becoming addicted.

I guess the only real test will be to see if my pill supply keeps dwindling even after the pain is gone, which will hopefull be no later than the end of the month.

Don't get me wrong, recreational fun is certainly part of the equation here - you can almost say I'm getting to enjoy the fringe benefit of throwing out my back - but will I feel a strong need to keep taking the pills afterwards? I know I'll feel a lot more guilty about it... when there is no longer a legit reason, it's MUCH easier to look at yourself in the mirror and realize you're just being stupid.

Only time will tell.

And to clarify, yes, sometimes I say the opiates don't work, and then I say I am still taking them... they DO seem to help the pain pretty much every time, but I don't get HIGH off them every time. It seems to work better if I skip a few days in between. And some days it just seems random.

But dillies are all I got and the general consensus is they are pretty much the top of the heap, so that's what I have to work with and I'm not complaining!

I will say, plugging (for me) doesn't seem to work much better than snorting. Everyone says it's WAY better, but I haven't found it to be true yet. The FIRST time I plugged, yes, it was a great experience... but it has quickly tapered off to "ok."

Most I've plugged at once is 4... maybe I'll try more.
 
It's not a herniated disc, there is a very slight bulge that just happens to be in the right spot to hit the sciatic nerves. Last time it flared up was 3 years ago... Doc says it will most likely heal itself so he is not recommending surgery. And I think it was set off by the new chair I bought a month ago that turned out to be REALLY bad for my back. 3 weeks sitting in that thing I think is what set me up for my blow-out.

But if I'm lucky and the bulge heals itself, I'll be fine for now.

Honestly, if every 3 years or so I fuck up my back for a few weeks, I can live with that. I know some folks have it much worse.
 
Hey John Burrows,

Dilaudid is worse than heroin. You're necking it like candy.

Do you seriously think there is something special about yourself, which will protect you from addiction, when every other person who has ever used this amount of dilaudid has become addicted?

If you do not believe dilaudid is worse than heroin, please refer to the literature. Although I am sure that would bore you too much, so just watch Drugstore Cowboy.

You are messing with some extremely dangerous shit. What part about "more powerful than heroin" don't you understand?

Also, just because you think it doesn't get you high, does not mean it won't give you withdrawal symptoms, because it most assuredly will. You're about to get stung, my friend. Your only choice is whether you want to quit now, and possibly suffer only a minor sting, or keep it up for a few years and truly ruin your entire life.

The people on here aren't saying these things to make you feel bad. Believe it or not, they're trying to protect you and save your life.

You are just so naive that it is not even funny. You say that you went out "partying" on MDMA, and because of that you think you're equipped to fend off a full-blown heroin addiction? Because that's what you're getting yourself into. The only difference between the dilaudid you're taking, and heroin, is that you're not injecting it. If you were to inject it, it would be far more powerful than heroin, with worse withdrawals.

You said that you would be worrying, if you hadn't already come through a "drug phase" without any trouble. FORGET EVERYTHING YOU KNOW ABOUT DRUG PHASES. Your experimentation with MDMA was nothing. It was not a drug phase. It was a kid partying. THIS - DILAUDID - IS YOUR FIRST DRUG PHASE.

You are about to be stung, my friend. The only question is whether you're smart enough to take everyone's advice, and quit before it becomes obvious to you. If you wait until your addiction is an obvious problem, it will be FAR too late.

Don't say you weren't warned.
 
Oh god

"Thursday night/fri morning I was in a serious world of hurt. Shakes, fever, cold sweats, vomiting until I could taste my pancreus - check, check and check."

He's taking insane amounts of DILAUDID, EVERY DAY, and he thinks it's FOOD POISONING.

Ah, to be naive again.

Nobody recognises withdrawal symptoms the first time they suffer from them. But rest assured, you'll be getting to know them quite well over the next few months.

It looks like you've already past the point of no return. I feel sorry for you, but also angry and frustrated, and a part of me even says "suck shit to this total fucking moron, who has no idea what he's just done to himself." The reason I think that last part, is because I did the same thing to myself, years ago.

Hell, almost everybody on here has been just as FUCKING RETARDED as you, their first time. That's how we all got addicted, thinking we were invincible or "different".

So we try to warn you newbies, try to tell you not to make the mistakes we made. But we remember how we were, ourselves, back then. Did we listen to anybody? No. So we know, deep down, that you're never going to listen. Unfortunately, you have to find out for yourself what you've done to yourself. And when you finally realise, you're not going to like it.

It makes us a little angry, because when we warn newbies like you, it's like we are warning ourselves... our past selves... but we know you won't listen, and you prove it by in fact not listening... this pisses us off. Another life down the drain. So, to get rid of the frustration, we just call you a FUCKING RETARD and LAUGH AT HOW HARD YOU'VE FUCKED YOURSELF.

Sorry man. But you done it to yourself. Every time you come on here with another of your trip reports, we're just going to keep thinking about how fucking retarded you are.

How about you try to go FIVE DAYS without taking A SINGLE DRUG. Come back then and tell us how you're feeling, if you have the guts. Ten bucks says you'll never come back, too embarrassed by your own ignorance.
 
The thing is John, it gets you slowly.. just a little bit, day by day, it's a very gradual takeover. You'll be shocked at how it will control you, and you'll be scared, and you'll wish to God you listened, but it'll be too late. Dude, let me tell you, it's a fucking nightmare... and you just cannot believe how horrific things will become until you get there. If you're serious about what you've shared with this forum you are in danger of losing everything you love.. your dreams, wishes, hopes will be killed and you will suffer more than you can imagine. This shit doesn't seem like more than a fun time right now, but man, that's how it ropes you in... and this isn't melodrama, this shit is really a killer. I don't know how much clearer that can be said... really man.. turn around while you can.
 
Hey john, Im not even doing the talking anymore ;)

after all, its just ME who's captain buzz kill right? and all these other people are just addicts who have NO idea what they are talking about.

food poisoning. lol


So... John Burrows, Ile pass the mic back to you now.
 
IT WAS FOOD POISONING, for fuck's sake, guys! I mean come on, at that point I had been taking dillies for ONE WEEK, once a day. I think withdrawl symptoms that severe would have required me to be addicted for much longer, and TO HAVE STOPPED TAKING THE DRUGS. I know what I ate to bring it on and all the symptoms were exactly food poisoning. I couldn't eat anything other than oatmeal for 4 days. I couldn't hold down WATER in the hours after I finally purged my system. It was food poisoning.

Unless a side effects of taking dillies once a day for a week is a sudden onrush of fever, nausea, shakes and uncontrollable vomiting. I may be a nubie but I know that ain't the case.

And for the most part, you guys are right, in the sense that I do not see the unholy, life-destroying path I am on yet. I am not jonsing for my next fix, I am not taking this stuff all day (even though I am not working and home alone and could sit here all day fixing if I wanted to).

I am not terrifyed of my pill stash running out and I haven't even started considering how I'll get more when it does. And, more importantly, even though this stuff really isn't getting me that high, I am not looking for something that WILL get me higher.

Wouldn't I be doing all this stuff if I was already spiriling down that path?

And I am not interested in letting 5 days pass right now before I take more because, if you remember, I DO HAVE BACK PAIN! At the moment, I do need to take these pills as perscribed. And I'm not even doing that, I tough it out during the day and take them only at night, when I really need to dump the pain.

So yeah, once again, you guys are right - I just don't see the addict behavior in me yet.

Please show me what I'm not seeing. Seriously.

So to recap: for the last 2-3 weeks, I have been taking dillies once a day to deal with back pain. I take between 2 and 4 per night and that's it. On a few ocassions, when the pain has been bad in the morning, I've taken 2 percs, but that's only been 2 or 3 times out of those 3 weeks.

So again, I ask - where is the addict?
 
All I can say is, everyone sounds like you do now on the way to opiate addiction. It's a very insidious addiction that creeps up on you. It doesn't feel like addiction because opiates feel so benign. Unless you're injecting them, you're never going to get the type of high you seem to be looking for, slumped over drooling in otherworldly bliss. It's not what they do. They're a gentle, functioning high, which makes troubles seem to melt away and produces a feeling of happiness. Before I had used them a lot I used to think they were boring, myself... I would have never paid for them, but I used them when offered to me. After a while, I got to really know the feeling and now I love it.

You keep saying you're taking them once a day, but looking back, even if you're taking them during one "session" only, you're taking like 3 percocets, 4 dillies, then plugging 4 more dillies, then snorting 2 more... etc. I would hardly call that once per day. Your posts all come across as rationalizing to yourself.

Just be really, really careful, dude... everyone I've ever met who got into opiates and is past their "honeymoon stage" where it seems like it is harmless says they would have never even tried them if they could go back. I am included in that group. If you don't see what we're seeing, then go back and re-read this whole thread, particularly your posts. Observe what you're saying... you're saying that you've come to enjoy the buzz, even if it's not earth-shattering (which it will never be), and you're taking them mostly every night, and when you do them you keep chasing it with more and more (amounting to huge doses). Then you turn around and say you are just doing it because they hardly have any effect, so it's fine. I wonder how many people here who are warning you are remembering thinking the same way about themselves, before they fell victim to their addictions?

Besides, it's a matter of biochemistry... you cannot take all of these strong opiates and not become physically addicted. You do seem like you have a huge natural tolerance, but that won't stop their physical effects on your opiate receptors that lead to addiction. Stop taking them for a week and see how you feel. If you feel fine, then you're damn lucky and you should stop before you don't feel fine. If you feel down, depressed, anxious, weird... it's the beginnings of withdrawal. Or with the amount you're taking, you could already be past the beginning and feel like you have the flu.

We're just worried about you... take it from a bunch of opiate addicts. Hindsight is 20/20, but oftentimes we're blinded by our own arrogance and sense of security when we're in the moment. We're looking in our rear-view mirrors and desperately trying to warn you about what is there, and you're driving along without any mirrors, insisting that you know better than us what's coming up behind you.
 
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We're looking in our rear-view mirrors and desperately trying to warn you about what is there, and you're driving along without any mirrors, insisting that you know better than us what's coming up behind you.

Wow , I clapped when i read this.

that entire post was perfectly stated.
 
Xorkoth - thanks for the best "warning" post so far. It was very heartfelt and intelligent, and I appreciate it the most.

To clarify, when I say I am only having one "session" a day, it is true. And I'm not doing all that snorting and plugging and pill swallowing all at once; I basically alternate between either snorting 2 dillies or plugging 3 or 4 (either/or, not both), once a night, with a few nights off here and there.

And I have come to appreciate that "the world is ok" feeling, as opposed to seeking out some zombie-like high.

I will say, last night/this morning was the first time I felt something that may have been withdrawl - the last few nights I've had trouble sleeping, but this morning I just lay in bed, tossing and turning, unable to sleep, and feeling VERY anxious. A lot of anxiety.

Now before everyone shouts "there, you see?" there are extenuating circumstances... as I think I mentioned earlier in the thread, a few days before my back went out I got laid off from work. I wasn't too worried, since I knew there was a good chance I'd be called back in to finish a big project, but I heard some rumors from the office yesterday that they were basically ready to start finishing the project.

This meant that friday (today) was the day I was hoping to get "the phone call" to come back. I also emailed my supervisor to check in last night.

Anyway, I know that is a big part of the reason I was so nerve-wracked last night. I was feeling all this "this is it" pressure for Friday.

Sadly, as friday came and went, I never got the call or an email and someone else in the office was assigned the job I was hoping would be given to me. All hope is not lost yet, but it's not looking good.

So today was a very shit day, and tonight I decided to plug a record-breaking 6 dillies in the hopes that it will get my mind off all this.

I know, I know, long, sprialing path down to hell... if I had gotten called back to work today, it would have been so easy to put down the drugs... I guess I can still justify it since I do need some for the pain, but I know I don't need 6! That's just me wanting to push reality as far away as I can on a shitty friday night.

And I'm still curious what a huge dose like that is going to feel like! Although for some reason, except for one ocassion, plugging doesn't seem to magnify the effect like everyone says it does, so maybe I'm doing something wrong. I'll check in on the plug thread.

Anyway, my plan is to get back on track, find some work, do something productive with my time so I don't feel like life is a total waste and taper myself off the dillies. Koth, you made a good point, that despite my tolerance, addiction to opiates is simply a biochemical fact, and that even if I have some sort of ox-like resistance and have not had true withdrawl so far, if I keep doing this it is inevitable.

THAT really spoke to me, so thanks for that. Hopefully I can get over this hump soon.

But here is a technical question - is there any sort of guideline for what amounts of opiates it takes over how long to become addicted, and to what extent? For example, let's say I keep myself to 2 or 3 dillies a day, once a day and that's it. This is even below my perscription's dose - will THAT lead me to innevitable addicition, or does it generally take a lot more?

I know it's best to just quit them entirely, but first of all, at least for now, I still do need them for the pain... but it would be nice to identify a sort of "safe threshold" that could at least keep me on the edge of this pit without actually falling in.

Thanks to all. Now to wait and see what 6 dillies up my ass does to me. Been half hour so far and not feeling all that much...

UPDATE: Well that explains it... according to the bioavailability thread, dillies are only 33% effective rectaly, VS 53% nasaly. Duh. I sure have wasted a lot of pills up my butt.
 
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Xorkoth - thanks for the best "warning" post so far. It was very heartfelt and intelligent, and I appreciate it the most.

You're welcome... I hope it helps. I would like to analyze a few aspects of your post for you, hopefully to help you gain some insight.

To clarify, when I say I am only having one "session" a day, it is true. And I'm not doing all that snorting and plugging and pill swallowing all at once; I basically alternate between either snorting 2 dillies or plugging 3 or 4 (either/or, not both), once a night, with a few nights off here and there.

This is totally beside the point... it doesn't matter whether you did them all at once or over a period of hours. Rationalizing.

And I have come to appreciate that "the world is ok" feeling, as opposed to seeking out some zombie-like high.

Yep, me too. And now I take opiates every day (fortunately my opiate of choice is kratom and not something harder). Once you realize how easy it is to feel good about the world, it becomes hard not to use that shortcut.

I will say, last night/this morning was the first time I felt something that may have been withdrawl - the last few nights I've had trouble sleeping, but this morning I just lay in bed, tossing and turning, unable to sleep, and feeling VERY anxious. A lot of anxiety.

Sounds withdrawal-related to me, although of course anxiety can come from many sources. Anxiety is one of the first signs of withdrawal, as well as insomnia. Restlessness is also big. The thing about withdrawal and anxiety is that anxiety infests all levels of your consciousness. So the fact that an issue in your life would be causing you insomnia could be a part of the withdrawal, even though it seems to come from an external source, because stressors in your life will be more apt to cause anxiety when you're in withdrawal.

Sadly, as friday came and went, I never got the call or an email and someone else in the office was assigned the job I was hoping would be given to me. All hope is not lost yet, but it's not looking good.

I'm sorry... I hope things look up for you soon. :(

So today was a very shit day, and tonight I decided to plug a record-breaking 6 dillies in the hopes that it will get my mind off all this.

This is the very definition of drug escapism, which is the number one cause of addiction. Not only did you take them because of stress due to life circumstances you're dealing with, but you upped the dose to a new high.

I know, I know, long, sprialing path down to hell... if I had gotten called back to work today, it would have been so easy to put down the drugs... I guess I can still justify it since I do need some for the pain, but I know I don't need 6! That's just me wanting to push reality as far away as I can on a shitty friday night.

Rationalizing. You CAN justify it, but that's the problem. Addiction makes you justify anything and everything involving taking the drugs. SHOULD you be justifying it is the question. The answer? No. :)

Why compound your life's problems by adding an opiate addiction? It will very likely become the biggest problem in your life and make joblessness look like a minor inconvenience. :\

And I'm still curious what a huge dose like that is going to feel like! Although for some reason, except for one ocassion, plugging doesn't seem to magnify the effect like everyone says it does, so maybe I'm doing something wrong. I'll check in on the plug thread.

A huge dose will feel like a regular dose, only stronger. It won't change the nature of the effects. It will, however, dig you deeper in your hole.

But here is a technical question - is there any sort of guideline for what amounts of opiates it takes over how long to become addicted, and to what extent? For example, let's say I keep myself to 2 or 3 dillies a day, once a day and that's it. This is even below my perscription's dose - will THAT lead me to innevitable addicition, or does it generally take a lot more?

I don't think such a guideline exists. However, 2 or 3 dillies a day is most certainly going to lead to addiction. Daily opiate use at all, even at prescribed dosages, will get you addicted. When people are put on opiates daily for more than a few weeks (or even just for a few weeks sometimes), it's pretty much a given that they will have to taper down or else they'll feel withdrawals. It's very easy to get physically addicted to opiates.

It's even easier to get mentally addicted, too. But that one's harder to catch due to all the self-denial. If I could sum up opiate mental addiction in one term, I think I would say: "self-denial". or maybe 'Rationalization".

Good luck. :) I am truly hoping I do not see a thread started by you soon in The Dark Side. So many Bluelight posters have posted a similar story as this in Trip Reports, only to end up a few months or years later hitting rock bottom and posting about it in the forum we have that deals with addiction and misery. We are concerned because we've seen it all before and this looks awfully familiar. This is an important pivot point in your life. It could swing either way at this point, and it's 100% in your hands as to which path your life is about to branch to. <3
 
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Thanks, Koth. Fortunately, sitting in front of the TV with a pint of ice cream gives me quite a jolt of euphoria, so maybe I'll sacrafice a few pounds in the effort to replace the drugs.

I've read that Kratom is a good way to help yourself kick the habbit, did you find that to be the case? I have experimented a few times with Kratom, although only once did I get that nice, opiate-like buzz. I guess I'll need to find the right Kratom formula that works for me.
 
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