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Opioids - first time - Fun

John_Burrows said:
Right now, yes, I don't see myself as addicted because I have yet to experience the kind of feeling I'd want to chase over and over.
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My first post was in jest, this is a serious response.

I started taking Hydro and Oxy in the late 1980's for pain. They helped the pain a lot -- I felt very little euphoria. I remember thinking, "How could anyone get addicted to this? I can take it or leave it. My body must be different since I don't feel that good from the pills."

Sadly, I found out its how bad the pills make you feel during W/D, that makes an addict. The amount of euphoria you experience from the pills is a poor indicator of addiction potential.

I took pain meds 2 to 3 days per week for years, before I felt any withdrawal symptoms. By the time you experience any withdrawal problems, its a very hard road to get your life back to normal. I mistakenly thought that if the pills don't make me feel great, they can't make me feel bad without them -- WRONG.

If you don't have to have the pills for pain, do yourself a favor and don't keep taking them.

Good luck!

Will
 
Ok Snowbear that is a very good point. I didn't realize I could go through withdrawl without the pills "working" so to speak. The good news is I've only been using these things for a week, how bad can it be? Also note that aside from the lack of euphuria, last night I paid close attention to if they were actually helping the pain, and they were not. Does that make a difference?

Tomorrow I'll be talking to the doc and telling him that it seems I have a natural tolerance to opiates and see what else he can give me. That should bring the opiate thing to a close.
 
i went through the same disappointments with percs, just led to more insane drug searching, chasing the high i expected, i stopped short of heroin, my father was a heroin addict, thankfully my fear of using heroin killed that opiate buzz chase
 
I've gone though a lot in my life and the only thing I can truly say I've ever gotten addicted to is a pint of hagen daaz late at night while watching a movie. Not sure which is worse, that or drugs.

On the other hand, being a little high while eating ice cream and watching a slightly weird movie is a whole new level of fun.

Ok, despite everyone's warnings, here is tonight's trip update!

I wanted to give plugging another chance, since I wasn't sure I did it right last night and, from what everyone said, plugging should have really sent that shit straight to my brain (har har).

So I crushed up 3 dillies, put in in a VERY SMALL amount of water (3ml), heated it up and fully dissolved the dope. I was using one of the "baby feeding" eye droppers, with a giant squeeze bulb at the end... I used it to suck up all the fun juice, laid down and squirted it all up my pirate hole.

But see, once again I had trouble with my plugging device. Just turning it around let some of it leak out the tip, and by the time I had assumed the position, more than few drops had spilled (and there wasn't a whole lot of liquid in there to begin with). After plugging and squeezing, I pulled it out and, like yesterday, a whole bunch of liquid came out with it and dripped down my crack.

I don't know how much was lost, but it seemed like a lot. In fact, I wasn't sure at that point how many dillies I really even plugged - maybe 1 and a half?

So I snorted a couple as a chaser.

But wait, there's more!

When I went to the drug store I bought two items, one was very friendly looking (the one with the squeeze bulb at the end) and the other looked a little more serious - basically, an oversized hypodermic needle with no needle. Admitedly, I opted to use the more "gentle" device, but after reading more on here, it seemed like the syringe was probably more efficient.

Of course, I had to find out.

I crushed up another two dillies, made a soution and sucked that up into the "butt needle." I shoved that little puppy home and pushed down the syringe... MUCH BETTER! I could tell the solution squirted with WAY more pressure, right where it was supposed to go... and when I removed it, not a drop spilled.

The result?

Finally, after a week of messing with all these pills, I feel pretty decent. On a scale of 1 to 10 (with 10 being the feeling I had with a morphine drip in the hospital the first time I had a kidney stone), I'd say I'm at a good 6.5 or 7.

All feels good with the world, and the back pain has gone down a fair bit (I still feel some pain, but on the other and right now I just don't care).

It may also have helped that I have not had a single thing to eat or drink today - not even a glass of water.

I'm glad I learned about the whole plugging thing on here - if it had just come down to eating more pills, I probably would have give up. That just doesn't do it for me!

Ok, so all this started around 9pm tonight... I'll update with more news later.

UPDATE: It's 11:30 and the high is definitely fading... has been for a while. I just drank some Kratom tea, we'll see if that kicks in

UPDATEL 12:40, if the Kratom kicked in it was very subtle. That's it for tonight! Tomorrow we'll see what the doctor has to say about my opiate tolerance...
 
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Yeah I had the same leakage problems the only time i tried plugging. It can be tricky, I think you really gotta get that thing up there and i cant see that being comfotable.

you really dont know how lucky you are to have a doc that will prescripe hydromorph that easily.

if i were you i would get some insuln syringes and IV those precious lil pills.

what milligram were the oxycontins you used with little effects?

do you use opiates daily?

have you experienced withdraw effects?
 
Do LSD, shrooms, or X, seems like ur looking for a "wow!", or a trip in that matter...

And keep getting your opiates, MAD LOOT involved with it. if u had 100 10mg percs a month you COULD make 1000$, or minimal 500$
 
Wow it's been a crazy few days since I last posted.

SO the doc wanted me to try Tramadol, since, other than large amounts of dillies, the opiates don't work so well for me. He sent me home last Thursday with a bunch of sample packs. I took 400mg with lunch - did absolutely nothing for the pain and just gave me a stomach ache.

Later, I would find out the stomach ache was from what I ate Thursday - I got a SERIOUS CASE of food poisining! Thursday night/fri morning I was in a serious world of hurt. Shakes, fever, cold sweats, vomiting until I could taste my pancreus - check, check and check. And with back pain still very much present and accounted for!

At the worst of it I plugged a few dillies in the hope that it would at least alleviate SOME of my woe... other than noticing once or twice that I was about to drift off into a black hole, I can't say I noticed much of a difference.

In the last 5 days I've barely left the house and tonight was the first time I've tried to stomach something other than oatmeal (it was the best chicken soup I ever tasted).

Sadly, the back pain persists. It's not so much back pain now as I think it's become nerve pain, it's way too far down and not really related to sharp movements. In the last few days I've taken very few pain meds. Once or twice I've popped a pair of percs, but with no results. Overall, I've just felt lousy - sitting in front of the computer for more than half an hour hurts like a baseball bat and pretty much all I can do comfortably is lay there and watch movies.

And sleep.

But my body has had enough sleep, and last night I just couldn't get any, no matter what - even a few sleeping pills had hardly any effect! Wednesday I'm heading back to the doc to get MRI results and see what ELSE he can give me for pain. So far, dillies are the only thing that work, but I have to take 4 or 5 (orally, anyway) to get anywhere with them.

I think I'm going to go for broke and ask for oxycontin - he once told me he rarely perscribes it sicne it's only for people with SEVERE pain, like cancer or if you've been run over by a truck. But with me, maybe one of them would actually DO SOMETHING.

Any suggestions, folks?

As for now, I just plugged 4 crushed up dillies - first time in 5 days - and I'm starting to feel mellow. Sad thing is, 4 dillies should launch a god damn cow into outer space! Damn me and my natural resistance!

But ah yes... I've been sitting here for half an hour and the pain seems to be subsiding.

My goal is no more drugs by X-mas! Well, not any that i NEED anyway...

UPDATE: About an hour after plugging the 4 dillies life is grand. Pain is gone, got a slight buzz and the "all is right with the world" feeling is possibly the best I've experienced yet. Maybe it's because I haven't had an opiate high in 3 or 4 days, maybe it's because I plugged so many and maybe it's because my body was in a such a mess/pain for the last few days I really needed it, but man, I REALLY NEEDED IT!
 
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you keep saying "launch into outer space" i suggest you look into LSD. opiates will not launch you anywhere.

Ohh.................and most of those symptoms you described? sound like minor withdrawals. lol

gluck buddeh
 
Give me a break, Enyay. I appreciate your words of wisdom and warning, but anything associated with being laid out with severe food poisoning is simply not a withdrawl symptom.

I've been playing with persp painkillers for 2 whole weeks, not even once a day. I'm not saying I'm an angel, but I'm still quite a ways from being curled up in the corner screaming for a fix.
 
SCORE!

So today the doc saw my MRI results and, sadly , it's not good news. Apparently I have a bulging, inflamed disc that is jutting it's way into my sciatic nerves. He thinks I should strongly consider back surgery.

On the other hand, he now understands why it's taking so much pain medication to work on me. According to the charts, I *should* be in a lot of pain!

So he gave me a script for another TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY DILLIES!

Maybe the guy wants me to just become an addict. Seriously, I already thought this guy was a pill dispenser and this surprised even ME.

Hell, the pharmacy said the computer wouldn't even fill a script that big so I'd have to split it up.

Enyay, over to you!
 
hell i haven't taken a solid opiate in almost a year. and my last dose of suboxone was 2 month ago.


but if i got 250 dillz. i would relapse with a :)

im not the anti fun police john. ive just spend immeasurable time in agony from those little pills. im only looking out bro.

enjoy them though.
 
Well, to be honest, I nearly didn't use any tonight. I was in such a great mood today to have finally had one, full, normal day for the first time in over a week, I thought, "hey, I have no NEED to get high, why bother?" But then I leaned over for something and went "oh yeah, yeah, that's why, DUH, the actual PAIN!"

It's funny that I'm so caught up in thinking about the danger of misusing these things, I'm nearly forgetting that I have been given them for a good reason. I guess the trick will be to see how I feel about it after the pain is gone.

Before I got ahold of these pills, I was enjoying poppy seed tea maybe once or twice a week to take the edge off when needed. I think that's where I was coming from tonight - I didn't need to take off any edge, so my reflex was not to go there - but then I almost reluctantly realized that I *had* to take them tonight - otherwise, I wouldn't even be able to sit here and type this.

In any case, Enyay, I do think you're a bit of a doomsayer, but, on the other hand, you've made me more aware that I do have to be careful and that every addict at some point thought they were never in danger of being an addict. So, in that sense, I'm glad you spread a little doom my way.

I also have to remember that I have an excess of pills not just to deal with this bout of back pain, but to have them on hand the NEXT time I get a kidney stone or gout or something (which I do have a history of). If I were to get a kidney stone, being able to quickly plug a half dozen dillies would keep me from needing to go to the emergency room.

THAT is very important!

But ok, onto more important questions: I've got a buttload (heh heh) of dillies sitting around. Anyone have any creative suggestions for experimentation?

Also, any tips on what to do about tolerance? The very real problem I have with opiates is a natural resistance. Last night they worked REALLY well for me since it had been 3 or 4 days since I had used them, but, in theory, I should be using these guys TWICE A DAY to help me deal with pain. But if I do, they are going to loose effectiveness real fast. Any ideas?
 
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man take a look back over this thread and see if you can see a pattern forming enyay isnt giving you a hard time he speaks the truth, i believe your already addicted and if not now then very soon with 250 hydromorphone. May have been food poisoning but it indeed does sound like symptons of withdrawal, have a look over some threads man and try to stop before shit gets out of hand and it will it always does. good luck bro
 
slortaone said:
man take a look back over this thread and see if you can see a pattern forming enyay isnt giving you a hard time he speaks the truth, i believe your already addicted and if not now then very soon with 250 hydromorphone. May have been food poisoning but it indeed does sound like symptons of withdrawal, have a look over some threads man and try to stop before shit gets out of hand and it will it always does. good luck bro
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thx :-)
 
AYEEEEEEEEE

Your searching for a non opiate related high. The warm and buzzy feeling is what opiate addicts love. We can do things fast and enjoy them, like homeowrk and chores.

Your chasing a high thats not there. You already have Hydromorphone. People would KILL to get that script, along with (a total) 750mg oxycontin (drools)

I have a natural tolerance to opiates and see what else he can give me. That should bring the opiate thing to a close.

No if you cant seek pain relieve in these opiates, your going to keep getting bumped up to new ones. Non opiate pain pills arent going to help you anymore buddy.

Start taking your prescriptions as there prescribed. Dont binge on 5 percs and 4 diluadids everynight. Thats not helping your pain at all! Take them as PRESCRIBED i couldnt stress that enough. If you keep abusing like you are, you will eventually run out too fast. your doctor WILL notice. And you will be bum dry and in Withdrawls like a mother*****
 
Also, any tips on what to do about tolerance? The very real problem I have with opiates is a natural resistance. Last night they worked REALLY well for me since it had been 3 or 4 days since I had used them, but, in theory, I should be using these guys TWICE A DAY to help me deal with pain. But if I do, they are going to loose effectiveness real fast. Any ideas?

NONO! Take them twice a day. and use the percs for breakthrough pain. Once they stop helping ask your doctor if you can take 2 twice a day. TAKE AS PRESCRIBED. !!!!!!

What state are you in btw, that a doctor would throw scripts at you like nothing?!
 
Chris, if you had read my other posts, you'd see that the ONLY reason I am taking more is, at perscribed doses, THEY DO ALMOST NOTHING.

The first time I ever used opiates was vicodin, maybe 5 years ago for a toothache. It took THREE to give me 90 mins of relief. It TAKES 3 or 4 dillies to actually make the pain go away now when it's bad. I'm not *just* doing this for fun.

Part of it is just the way I'm built, it's always taken more than the normal perscribed dose to work on me.
 
I agree with what everyone else said. And don't forget opiate addiction is a life long battle the temptation to use never goes away. Your life will never be the same. I fucked my life up with opiates. Now there's nothing I can do about stupidity and just chasing a high. Yes, I still abuse them but just be careful man.
 
John_Burrows said:
Enyay, thanks for the concern. Keep in mind I went through my "rave phase" a few years back, when I was going out every week and popping pills. We handled it fine back then, and I never got addicted to anything or craved anything... we just got bored after a while.

Right now, yes, I don't see myself as addicted because I have yet to experience the kind of feeling I'd want to chase over and over. I mean I have a house full of painkillers right now, and I don't touch them all day. I don't crave it, I don't miss it... but this evening I look forward to plugging for the first time and seeing if THAT does anything.
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Man, I am kind of sad reading this. I feel like I'm watching a train heading for some innocent creature which is unaware of it's impending demise.

I've probably taken more X than a lot of people, for a straight year; I live on the border, and knew a bunch of dealers, and I was getting them REALLY cheap. Strong pills, too.. the kind that made you fall in love with complete strangers for four hours. I never got addicted, either. Want to know why? BECAUSE MDMA IS HARDLY ADDICTIVE.

Listen. You're taking OPIATES. They're the most addictive, abuse-ridden drugs out there, with withdrawals that come screeching out of the pits of hell. You're talking about taking dose after dose after dose here, and saying, "I'm not chasing a buzz, I'm just really looking forward to what this can do in a few hours" THAT IS CHASING A BUZZ.

Listen to those before you. STOP before it is too late. You will not see it coming until it is too late if you don't heed their advice. They've been there man. Please.

PS - Wanted to add something. The fact that you are tolerant of them could be even MORE dangerous; the fact that you are popping way more than most people do to achieve even mild affects means that you are hugely increasing the rate at which your body is going to get addicted to the meds. Keep in mind, opiate addiction is physiological, not simply an addiction to the high. Taking that many pills so often is going to wreck you, AND it isn't even giving you the same intense euphoria that other addicts gain out of it! It's like throwing your life away without even the warm fuzzy feeling to comfort you in doing so! GAAH! STOP NOW!
 
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