Opioids - first time - Fun

[John_Burrows]

Hey gang, back with an update... I had back surgery at the end of March (lumbar micodiscectamy). The operation was a complete success and my sciatic nerve is no longer an issue (the nerve was being pinched to the point where it was operating at only 50% efficiency). However, the post-surgery pain was sumthin' else.

My doc told me that after the surgery I would experience "A little discomfort." Well fuck, that's like saying Michael Jackson is "a little weird." That pain was UNBEARABLE. I was in the hospital overnight and at one point it had taken two shots of morphine, vicodin and a muscle relaxant to just take the edge off!

When I got home, I had to rely on the dillies BIG TIME for about a week. Week two was much better, and I'd say by the end of the 3rd week I no longer really needed the pain meds.

So it was time to start phasing them out.

I'm down to 2.5 pills a night, and 1 pill during the day. This is all about tapering off to avoid withdrawls. Yes, I finally have them. It takes about 5 or 6 hours before I feel them, and 8 or 10 before it gets bad enough that I have to do something about it.

So, I take my evening dose around 9pm, and sleep through the worst of it. I generally take my "daytime dose" (only one pill) around noon, and by the time 9pm rolls around, I'm feeling the w/d enough to be glad it's time to dose.

I generally just feel anxious and crappy when I get w/d bad. No shakes or fevers or hershey squirts. On a scale of 1 to 10 I'd say it's around 6. It's weird, some days, like yesterday, around 5 or 6pm it started to get real bad and it was a real challenge to tough it out until 9pm.

But today, it was hardly noticable at all until 9.

Anyway, next week I have a visit with my doc and I need one last script for dillies so I have enough to take me through the phase-out. I'm no saint, I admit I will probably keep using them on weekends and special occasions, but the daily use has to stop. Hopefully by this time next month it will be done with.

 

[Xorkoth]

Yeah, opiate withdrawal is funny like that... for me anyway it's not constant as to when I'll get it. My opiate is kratom, not bad fortunately but an opiate nevertheless. Some nights I'll wake up at like 5am, so restless I can't sleep, and need to take a dose. Then other days I'll go through the day and take kratom before I ever feel withdrawal.

 

[alkaro]

how did this thread get so long lol? 7 pages and still going.

 

[John_Burrows]

boi - all pain is gone. What I don't understand is how you can have a herniated disc for 7 years! These things are supposed to heal themselves over time, maybe a year at most. What is your situation?

Also note I had several opinions and they ALL highly recommended surgery. Otherwise I never would have gone through with it.

Xorkoth - yeah, it's weird how inconsistent the w/d is. A few days ago it was bad, but the last few days have been surprisingly light (knock wood).

 

[Spasticone]

plug the hydromorphone!

 

[TaoWarrior]

Man what an enlighting thread.

I have been on vicodin for over a year now for pain. I am only on the 5/500 and take at most 4 a day. Well I finaly got a Dr. with out their head in their ass who realized that for neuropathic pain vicodin was worthless. It really was the only benifit was the opiate high which I had told several previous Dr.

Anyway now I am on gabapentin and no longer need the vicodin ... Well I don't need it for the pain at least. I am at the taper stage since cold turkey ended about 1 day after it started. I am down to 2 a day max and I am trying to push for 1 a day. Obviously I am not getting high on 2 a day vicodin but I still have minor withdrawl. Right now I am hurting pretty badly but don't get to take one for 5 more hours. Ouch!

John you've got a tough road in front of you If it sucks this much going from 20mg vicodin a day max to 0 I really do not even want to think what you are going through.

Best of luck

 

[EmilyAlice]

[NOTE - yes, this is a little long, but i'm a first timer and would REALLY like the advice and guidance of the more experienced folks out there, so please bare with me and read if you would be so kind...]

Ok so the first time I ever had a perscription pain killer was maybe 4 years ago... I had an awful toothache and was out of town and fortunately, my friend had a bottle of Vicodins that he hadn't used.

It took three of them to help. That being said, it gave me a hell of a buzz, but maybe 90 mins later it was over.

Mind you, I'm a built like a football player so it's always taken roughly double the dosage of almost any medication to work on me.

Over the last few months I learned about poppy seed tea so have been using that for fun about once a week, with the results varying wildly - I'd say I've one had 2 or 3 really good trips (and none of those I'd say were "out of my head" - just a good, warm, the-world-is-ok kinda feeling).

Well, last week I threw out my back, so I knew a trip to the doc would net me some of the "good stuff." I told him about my vicodin experience, so he said he'd give me 10mg percoset, which is supposed to be stronger that vikes. I said that this happens to me every now and then and since I also have had kidney stones a few times, would he be willing to give me a larger script so I could have extra on hand? He complied by giving me a bottle of 75!

So he told me since the 10mg percs were strong, to only take one, but I could take two if I really needed to.

Of course, that night I took two. I felt very little. Yes, I could feel it was working, but it was maybe a quarter of the feeling my best poppy seed tea experience was, and nothing like as good as the 3 vikes I had years ago.

The next day, I took 3 in the afternoon and the results were not much better. Ok, but not great. That evening I met a friend for drinks and wanted to see how they mixed with booze, so I washed two percs down with a martini.

THAT felt pretty good. A nice buzz. But 2 or 3 hours later, it was back to normal.

The next day I called the doc and told him I wasn't very comfortable needing to take 3 or 4 percs, 2 or 3 times a day to get minimal results. I just didn't like the idea of taking THAT MUCH medication, plus I knew all that tylenol wasn't so great for me. He agreed and gave me a script for 4mg hydromorphone, which he said was much stronger. Recommended dosage was 2.

But I got a nice bottle of 100 hits!

So last night I took 3. That gave me a comfortable, poppy seed tea-like buzz. Still not as strong as the tea had given me, but it was decent. Again, after 3 hours or so, the feeling was mostly gone. I crushed up another 2 and slammed that down, but it only brought back a tiny bit of buzz.

Tonight I was determined to make it a "special" saturday night. For pete's sake, I have all these pills, I want to get a good god damn high off of them for once! So I took 4 morphones to start out.

Maybe 45 mins later I could feel it, but it wasn't very strong. So I decided to crush up 2 more morphas and a perc for good measure and dump the powder into a shot of rum.

Half an hour after that I was feeling nice. Like maybe my best poppy seed tea experience, but it still was only a nice, warm feeling. Not like the room was spinning or I saw Elvis or anything.

All this began tonight at around 11pm, and now it's almost 1:30am and I am bascially back to being sober.

What gives? Is this normal, or do I just really have a high tolerance for opiates? I have a ton of pills to play with, so I'm happy to entertain anyone's suggestions.

Is oxycontin any better? When I was first in the doc's office I asked about it, but he said that stuff was pretty much only for people in the worst possible pain, like cancer patients and people who had been run over by a bus or something.

Thanks for reading and your insights!

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1) dilaudid does absolutely NOTHING when taken orally OR snorted. You HAVE to shoot it. That being said, DO NOT do that. I'm addicted to dilaudid and yes I shoot them and YES I love them...however...when I first started opiates I HAD NOOOO IDEA WHAT I WAS GETTING INTO! I had been an alcoholic, a cokehead, a crackhead, a pot head, but never opiates until I was 38-39. Man do I wish I never tried them, or stopped sooner- before I was shooting them (the only way to do opiates) but even when I was snorting oxy, I was doin 7-8 a day just like I do with the D's now, only I bang the dilaudid. Have you been dope sick yet? It's an incredibly financially difficult habit to keep up with, and you can't just not do them one day. Nope, once they got u, you HAVE TO. Not only is dopesick unexplainable with words because it's THAT awful, beyond the physical there's the psychological, where you can think of absolutely nothing- I mean, nothing else other than getting some shit. The wheels are turning constantly ,"how can I get some money, I only have about an hour before I start to get sick, will someone front me, damn I called them the other day, fuck I still owe that person, wonder if so and so would let me borrow some money, I need to get a client in here asap" (I'm an escort)...ad nauseum. Then I re-evaluate my life, have feelings I never knew I had, cry, feel victimized by my addiction, want nothing but to shoot dope, fuck I gotta get some money, I should go back on subs/methadone..." .bla bla bla....until I get like 8 pills ($200) and then I can settle the fuck down. If I ever had any advice that came from my heart and soul, it's this- if you are not too deep already, do yourself a solid and stop the opiates before it becomes your reason for existing. Don't get me wrong- I love shooting dope and I like doing drugs and I love being high/altered. I've been an addict since I was 19 (I'm 46)...but the opiate addiction coupled with the route of administration, multiplies addiction by 1000. This is ONLY my experience, and opinion, and everything I say is factual in my life. If you can get out before you get in too far, that will be the BEST decision you can ever, ever make for yourself. I spend $1000+ a week on dope. It always comes first, before anything else. And you know what? I really don't want to get clean. I feel so abnormal without drugs I can't stand it. So I have no idea if u will escalate like I did or not, u likely will, we all pretty much do, but who knows? If you haven't fallen in love with dope yet, walk the fuck away NOW, my friend. I know it was long but I just smoked some meth and am a little chatty. Thanks for hangin in til the end, if u did. Love yall, fellow bluelighters!
☆Emily Alice☆
☆Addict Extraordinaire☆
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