Dissociatives, in particular PCP (which I've never heard of here much less seen) or its cousin 4-meo-pcp sound dreamy and euphoric to me. I'm relatively new to Ketamine though definatley not with dissociatives. In 01' I was doing DXM every week at least once a week, usually at a second plateau, very rare a 1st plateau and the rest of the times 3rd plateau doses and also a couple times 4th plateau. I've had K 12 times at most (snorted) & only on alcohol I have actually thrown up or got very nauseaus from it. Only 1 time I came close to a K-hole though didn't actually k-hole. I enjoy K much more than DXM and the only bad memories I have from it are when drinking with or before it (even 1 beer will make a difference to me).
Out of all the combos I had I liked most K + N2O, follwed by K + opioids. The weed doesn't really take nor add to the high so I didn't think nothing of it, except that it takes care of an upset stomach amongst other things. Ketamine by itself is great as well.
My question is regarding the use of Ketamine for pain treatment and/or management. Due to my alcohol and Ketamine experiences I know that sedatives/downers negatively affect K to the point of hospital intervention. However speaking on the topic of ketamine given in combination with pain medication such as opioids and benzos (which are almost always given to pain patients....to relax, to lower the narcotic dose, etc), wikipedia has the following to say:
"Ketamine may be used in small doses (0.1–0.5 mg/kg·h) as a local anesthetic, particularly for the treatment of pain associated with movement and neuropathic pain. It may also be used as an intravenous co-analgesic together with opiates to manage otherwise intractable pain, particularly if this pain is neuropathic (pain due to vascular insufficiency or shingles are good examples). It has the added benefit of counter-acting spinal sensitization or wind-up phenomena experienced with chronic pain. At these doses, the psychotropic side effects are less apparent and well managed with benzodiazepines. Ketamine is a co-analgesic, and so is most effective when used alongside a low-dose opioid; while it does have analgesic effects by itself, the higher doses required can cause disorienting side effects. The combination of ketamine with an opioid is, however, particularly useful for pain caused by cancer."
Furthermore it says that:
"Ketamine is also a potent analgesic and can be used in sub-anesthetic doses to relieve acute pain; however, its psychotropic properties must be taken into account. Patients have reported vivid hallucinations, "going into other worlds" or "seeing God" while anesthetized, and these unwanted psychological side-effects have reduced the use of ketamine in human medicine. They can, however, usually be avoided by concomitant application of a sedative such as a benzodiazepine."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketamine
1. What are your experiences with opioids, benzos, or any downer analgesics i.e. carisoprodol (soma)?
2. What are your opinions on these combos relating to pain treatment?
My goal here is to implement a pain treatment plan as an experiment, using opioids and low dose benzos with/or low dose carisoprodol (soma) along with intranasal (snorted) ketamine. The overall goal is administed ketamine in sub anesthetic doses (small bumps), such that the effects of ketamine are present (ex: analgesia, mood lift, etc) however the patient is not incapacitated to the point where there are hallucinations. I want to avoid the psychedelic aspect of ketamine while maintaining all other analgesic & euphoric propreties. Paragraph #2 mentions that small dose benzos would take care of this problem. I have also heard that oral ketamine is much less psychedelic but I am not sure how effective it is as an analgesic/anesthetic.
Thanks!
Out of all the combos I had I liked most K + N2O, follwed by K + opioids. The weed doesn't really take nor add to the high so I didn't think nothing of it, except that it takes care of an upset stomach amongst other things. Ketamine by itself is great as well.
My question is regarding the use of Ketamine for pain treatment and/or management. Due to my alcohol and Ketamine experiences I know that sedatives/downers negatively affect K to the point of hospital intervention. However speaking on the topic of ketamine given in combination with pain medication such as opioids and benzos (which are almost always given to pain patients....to relax, to lower the narcotic dose, etc), wikipedia has the following to say:
"Ketamine may be used in small doses (0.1–0.5 mg/kg·h) as a local anesthetic, particularly for the treatment of pain associated with movement and neuropathic pain. It may also be used as an intravenous co-analgesic together with opiates to manage otherwise intractable pain, particularly if this pain is neuropathic (pain due to vascular insufficiency or shingles are good examples). It has the added benefit of counter-acting spinal sensitization or wind-up phenomena experienced with chronic pain. At these doses, the psychotropic side effects are less apparent and well managed with benzodiazepines. Ketamine is a co-analgesic, and so is most effective when used alongside a low-dose opioid; while it does have analgesic effects by itself, the higher doses required can cause disorienting side effects. The combination of ketamine with an opioid is, however, particularly useful for pain caused by cancer."
Furthermore it says that:
"Ketamine is also a potent analgesic and can be used in sub-anesthetic doses to relieve acute pain; however, its psychotropic properties must be taken into account. Patients have reported vivid hallucinations, "going into other worlds" or "seeing God" while anesthetized, and these unwanted psychological side-effects have reduced the use of ketamine in human medicine. They can, however, usually be avoided by concomitant application of a sedative such as a benzodiazepine."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketamine
1. What are your experiences with opioids, benzos, or any downer analgesics i.e. carisoprodol (soma)?
2. What are your opinions on these combos relating to pain treatment?
My goal here is to implement a pain treatment plan as an experiment, using opioids and low dose benzos with/or low dose carisoprodol (soma) along with intranasal (snorted) ketamine. The overall goal is administed ketamine in sub anesthetic doses (small bumps), such that the effects of ketamine are present (ex: analgesia, mood lift, etc) however the patient is not incapacitated to the point where there are hallucinations. I want to avoid the psychedelic aspect of ketamine while maintaining all other analgesic & euphoric propreties. Paragraph #2 mentions that small dose benzos would take care of this problem. I have also heard that oral ketamine is much less psychedelic but I am not sure how effective it is as an analgesic/anesthetic.
Thanks!
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