Opioids and Anabolic Steroids (AAS)

[evo4ever]

Hello all.

I currently take Oxycodone for pain and I'm about to take Anabolic Steroids (Methandienone 10mg x 2 once a day) to build up my body by going the gym. Is there any interactions between taking these drugs together? Cheers guys.

 

[vision conquest]

Just out of curiosity, is your username a reference to evolutionary forums?

Are you new to AAS use, cause if you talk to anybody who has been around AAS for a while they are going to tell you that a dbol only cycle is a bad idea.

And it's true for many reasons.

Number one you really shouldn't run anr oral for any longer than 4-6 weeks and the vast majority of the weight you will gain during that time will vanish within a week of stopping the dbol.

Also dbol aromotizes very quickly and easily for most people so even if you do decide to do it you better make sure you have something to address this issue cause gyno can happen very fast, you will need either an aromotase inhibitor like anostrozole or aromasin and it's a good idea to have some tamoxifen on hand as well.

The best first cycle should be injectable test by it'self, a newbie to AAS will gain a bunch of muscle running test alone at about 250mg, and you can run that safely for 12 weeks or even longer if you want, but even then you will want to have the meds I mentioned on hand to deal with any possible issues, and if you aren't nice and lean you most likely will aromotize test or dbol in a big way.

To answer your original question, their shouldn't really be any serious interaction, however all oral steroids will put a fair amount of stress on your liver so take that into account.

I have run dbol many years ago at 20mg/day while I was on methadone ande it didn't cause me any problems, so at reasonable doses it should be ok, it would be a good idea to have some liver support on hand, I always found that NAC/ N-acetylcystine was plenty.

 

[evo4ever]

Just out of curiosity, is your username a reference to evolutionary forums?

Are you new to AAS use, cause if you talk to anybody who has been around AAS for a while they are going to tell you that a dbol only cycle is a bad idea.

And it's true for many reasons.

Number one you really shouldn't run anr oral for any longer than 4-6 weeks and the vast majority of the weight you will gain during that time will vanish within a week of stopping the dbol.

Also dbol aromotizes very quickly and easily for most people so even if you do decide to do it you better make sure you have something to address this issue cause gyno can happen very fast, you will need either an aromotase inhibitor like anostrozole or aromasin and it's a good idea to have some tamoxifen on hand as well.

The best first cycle should be injectable test by it'self, a newbie to AAS will gain a bunch of muscle running test alone at about 250mg, and you can run that safely for 12 weeks or even longer if you want, but even then you will want to have the meds I mentioned on hand to deal with any possible issues, and if you aren't nice and lean you most likely will aromotize test or dbol in a big way.

To answer your original question, their shouldn't really be any serious interaction, however all oral steroids will put a fair amount of stress on your liver so take that into account.

I have run dbol many years ago at 20mg/day while I was on methadone ande it didn't cause me any problems, so at reasonable doses it should be ok, it would be a good idea to have some liver support on hand, I always found that NAC/ N-acetylcystine was plenty.

No evo4ever is my online name. Yes I'm new to AAS, and what's "dbol"? My friend who I bought them off did mention that it's safer and easier on the liver to use the injections. My plan is to use the pills for a short period of time like maybe a month and then switch over to the injection, would that be okay? My friend sells the injections as well but he was out of stock so I bought the pills. Also are you talking about developing female characteristics?

 

[vision conquest]

No evo4ever is my online name. Yes I'm new to AAS, and what's "dbol"? My friend who I bought them off did mention that it's safer and easier on the liver to use the injections. My plan is to use the pills for a short period of time like maybe a month and then switch over to the injection, would that be okay? My friend sells the injections as well but he was out of stock so I bought the pills. Also are you talking about developing female characteristics?

Methandienone is dbol/dianabol.
If you are planning on using injectable then you really would be way better off just using inj test as your first cycle.

Most oral steroids have been methylated so they can survive the first pass metabolism by the liver and still be bioavailable, this is called a c17aa steroid, there are just a couple of exceptions, however dbol is not one of them, it is a c17aa steroid and is pretty toxic on the liver, this is why it is very unsafe to run it for very long.

The main way orals like dbol are used is to kick start the begining of a cycle.

So if you use an injectable test like testosterone enanthate it will take a few weeks for the levels to build up and for you to start seeing real results, if you take dbol along with the test you will get some results from the dbol pretty much right away and then when you stop the dbol after 4 weeks the test has now built up and it will start to shine.

It sounds like you need to do some more research before jumping on gear mate, and I mean absolutely no disrespect by that, just that AAS are serious and you can mess yourself up if you don't know what you are doing.

You need to understand that most AAS such as dbol and test will aromotize into estrogen in your body and the aromotase enzyme that causes this is mainly located in body fat so if you are not very lean chances are that you will convert a lot of the dbol and test into estrogen and this can cause some really bad things to happen, you don't want to grow a set of boobs, cause once gyno forms the only way to get rid of it is surgery.


You also need to understand that when you put exogenous steroids into your body it will cause you body to stop producing natural/endogenous testosteron completely so if you don't have a pct/post cycle therapy plan you will be left with zero testosterone when you stop the gear and this will cause you to lose everything you gained and make you feel like crap.

Seriously man, do some reading about AAS causing gynocomastica and learn what aromotization means and how to control it.

Also research HPTA shut down and learn how to get your natural test to start again after you stop your cycle.

You should be able to find this info easily with google but if you can't I can point you in the right direction.

Just jumping on gear before you understand it will very likely cause you to wish you hadn't mate, so please don't take it lightly.

All the best mate.

 

[paranoid android]

I take test and morphine together and there are no interactions for me. Im prescribed both

 

[evo4ever]

Methandienone is dbol/dianabol.
If you are planning on using injectable then you really would be way better off just using inj test as your first cycle.

Most oral steroids have been methylated so they can survive the first pass metabolism by the liver and still be bioavailable, this is called a c17aa steroid, there are just a couple of exceptions, however dbol is not one of them, it is a c17aa steroid and is pretty toxic on the liver, this is why it is very unsafe to run it for very long.

The main way orals like dbol are used is to kick start the begining of a cycle.

So if you use an injectable test like testosterone enanthate it will take a few weeks for the levels to build up and for you to start seeing real results, if you take dbol along with the test you will get some results from the dbol pretty much right away and then when you stop the dbol after 4 weeks the test has now built up and it will start to shine.

It sounds like you need to do some more research before jumping on gear mate, and I mean absolutely no disrespect by that, just that AAS are serious and you can mess yourself up if you don't know what you are doing.

You need to understand that most AAS such as dbol and test will aromotize into estrogen in your body and the aromotase enzyme that causes this is mainly located in body fat so if you are not very lean chances are that you will convert a lot of the dbol and test into estrogen and this can cause some really bad things to happen, you don't want to grow a set of boobs, cause once gyno forms the only way to get rid of it is surgery.


You also need to understand that when you put exogenous steroids into your body it will cause you body to stop producing natural/endogenous testosteron completely so if you don't have a pct/post cycle therapy plan you will be left with zero testosterone when you stop the gear and this will cause you to lose everything you gained and make you feel like crap.

Seriously man, do some reading about AAS causing gynocomastica and learn what aromotization means and how to control it.

Also research HPTA shut down and learn how to get your natural test to start again after you stop your cycle.

You should be able to find this info easily with google but if you can't I can point you in the right direction.

Just jumping on gear before you understand it will very likely cause you to wish you hadn't mate, so please don't take it lightly.

All the best mate.

I'm definitely going to use them and I need some guidance. Can you give me some advice on what I should do? Should I just use the dbol short term before I get test? Also I've got 10mg tablets, what dosage do you think I should use?

 

[vision conquest]

I'm definitely going to use them and I need some guidance. Can you give me some advice on what I should do? Should I just use the dbol short term before I get test? Also I've got 10mg tablets, what dosage do you think I should use?

I hear you mate, when I was juicing years ago I just wanted to go hard, luckily I got some good advice and things worked out.
Righto I will try to give you the best guidance I can.

If you want to get the most out of those dbol's you should wait until you get some test and then with a well structured cycle of say, 12 weeks you could gain 10kg easy and likely a bit more.

As well as your test you absolutely need to get something to control aromotization, if you don't you almost certainly will be in trouble as dbol is about the top of the list for aromotization.

There are a few ways you can deal with the problem of your AAS converting into estrogen.
1. You can take an aromotase inhibitor, there are three that are commonly available, arimidex/anostrazole, aromasin/exemestane, and letrazole.
All of the above meds are called aromotase inhibitors and they act by actually stopping, not completely but very strongly the conversion of androgens into estrogen, so essentially, if you use one of these meds only a fraction of the test and dbol will convert into estrogen.
2. You can use a SERM/selective estrogen receptor modulator, the most common by far is nolvadex/tamoxifen citrate, serm's do not stop the conversion of androgens into estrogens but they block estrogens action at selective sites, mainly the breast/nipple, so the test and dbol will still aromotize but the tamoxifen will block the estrogen at the nipple and therefore stop the formation of gyno.

3. You can take another compound like masteron/drostanolone, I won't get into how this controls estrogen as the explanation would be long and I don't think taking another steroid would be the way to go at your stage.

So you need to decide how you will handle the aromotization issue, seriously it isn't an option to ignore this and just start taking test and dbol because unless you are a genetic freak you will end up with gyno, it's almost a 100% gaurantee.

Once you get your test and a strategy for controling estrogen this is how I would run it.

Weeks 1-4 I would run 250mg of test a week, this should be 1ml of oil, you can split that into two 125mg shots per week or just do one 250mg shot once per week, these days blokes seem to go for smaller shots more regularly to get more stable levels but it's your choice.
Along with your test take 20mg of dbol every day, 10mg in the morning and 10mg at night.
Weeks 5-12. Stop taking the dbol and just continue with the test, depending on how much test you have you could consider raising your test by a little, maybe up to 375mg/week, however I would just keep it at 250mg for two weeks after stopping the dbol and if things are going well just stick with 250, if things are going well just continue 250mg right up to the end of your cycle, you could stop at week 12 or you could keep it going for a few more weeks if you have the test and things are going well.

You should be taking either your aromotase inhibitor or your serm from day 1 right up until your last shot, if you can get aromasin that's the best one in my opinion and you would take that at 12.5mg daily, you could probably reduce that dose once you stop the dbol, you just have to monitor for estrogen symptoms and this is why you really need to educate yourself a bit better bloke.

Once your cycle finishes you need a pct if you want to get your natural test going again asap.

As important as the gear, is your food intake, you can take big doses of gear and unless you're eating right you won't get taht much out of it.

The main way gear builds muscle is by increasing protein synthesis so if you aren't getting enough protein you won't get good results.

I can't tell you how many calories you need without knowing your weight but a good place to start is 2 grams of protein per kg of body weight, so if you weigh 80kg you need 160 grams of protein as a minimum and increase from there.

This has been a lot of typing man so I hope I've helped a bit.

Start reading about the points I have given you here and I'll keep an eye on this post and help further if I can

 

[evo4ever]

I hear you mate, when I was juicing years ago I just wanted to go hard, luckily I got some good advice and things worked out.
Righto I will try to give you the best guidance I can.

If you want to get the most out of those dbol's you should wait until you get some test and then with a well structured cycle of say, 12 weeks you could gain 10kg easy and likely a bit more.

As well as your test you absolutely need to get something to control aromotization, if you don't you almost certainly will be in trouble as dbol is about the top of the list for aromotization.

There are a few ways you can deal with the problem of your AAS converting into estrogen.
1. You can take an aromotase inhibitor, there are three that are commonly available, arimidex/anostrazole, aromasin/exemestane, and letrazole.
All of the above meds are called aromotase inhibitors and they act by actually stopping, not completely but very strongly the conversion of androgens into estrogen, so essentially, if you use one of these meds only a fraction of the test and dbol will convert into estrogen.
2. You can use a SERM/selective estrogen receptor modulator, the most common by far is nolvadex/tamoxifen citrate, serm's do not stop the conversion of androgens into estrogens but they block estrogens action at selective sites, mainly the breast/nipple, so the test and dbol will still aromotize but the tamoxifen will block the estrogen at the nipple and therefore stop the formation of gyno.

3. You can take another compound like masteron/drostanolone, I won't get into how this controls estrogen as the explanation would be long and I don't think taking another steroid would be the way to go at your stage.

So you need to decide how you will handle the aromotization issue, seriously it isn't an option to ignore this and just start taking test and dbol because unless you are a genetic freak you will end up with gyno, it's almost a 100% gaurantee.

Once you get your test and a strategy for controling estrogen this is how I would run it.

Weeks 1-4 I would run 250mg of test a week, this should be 1ml of oil, you can split that into two 125mg shots per week or just do one 250mg shot once per week, these days blokes seem to go for smaller shots more regularly to get more stable levels but it's your choice.
Along with your test take 20mg of dbol every day, 10mg in the morning and 10mg at night.
Weeks 5-12. Stop taking the dbol and just continue with the test, depending on how much test you have you could consider raising your test by a little, maybe up to 375mg/week, however I would just keep it at 250mg for two weeks after stopping the dbol and if things are going well just stick with 250, if things are going well just continue 250mg right up to the end of your cycle, you could stop at week 12 or you could keep it going for a few more weeks if you have the test and things are going well.

You should be taking either your aromotase inhibitor or your serm from day 1 right up until your last shot, if you can get aromasin that's the best one in my opinion and you would take that at 12.5mg daily, you could probably reduce that dose once you stop the dbol, you just have to monitor for estrogen symptoms and this is why you really need to educate yourself a bit better bloke.

Once your cycle finishes you need a pct if you want to get your natural test going again asap.

As important as the gear, is your food intake, you can take big doses of gear and unless you're eating right you won't get taht much out of it.

The main way gear builds muscle is by increasing protein synthesis so if you aren't getting enough protein you won't get good results.

I can't tell you how many calories you need without knowing your weight but a good place to start is 2 grams of protein per kg of body weight, so if you weigh 80kg you need 160 grams of protein as a minimum and increase from there.

This has been a lot of typing man so I hope I've helped a bit.

Start reading about the points I have given you here and I'll keep an eye on this post and help further if I can

Thanks for the advice buddy . I'll definitely get the aromotase inhibitor before I start using the dbol and test. But the main question is where do I get it from? Can it be bought without a prescription? Or do I need to ask the person I got the dbol from? Cheers m8.

 

[vision conquest]

Thanks for the advice buddy . I'll definitely get the aromotase inhibitor before I start using the dbol and test. But the main question is where do I get it from? Can it be bought without a prescription? Or do I need to ask the person I got the dbol from? Cheers m8.

Aromotase inhibitors are prescription meds so you can't get them otc.

If the guy you're getting the gear from is a decent source and knows his stuf he should have that kind of compound or at the very least be able to point you in the right direction.

You're in the U.K aren't you?
I thought the laws on AAS aare pretty good over there, isn't it legal for personal use, I thought I was told that, or was I told wrong?

Regardless I know for a fact that there some excellent online sources available to someone in your part of the world, if you are really stuck I could give you some help in that area.

I know you are keen to start, I've been there but hold on until you can do it right, you will be so much better off and will avoid some potentially very bad results.

If you can, get both and A.I and some tamoxifen, the A.I you run on cycle to keep estrogen under control and then you use the tamoxifen for post cycle to get your natural test going again.

I'll keep an eye on this thread so feel free to ask any questions and I'll help as much as I can.
Edit..Today I remembered that bluelight has a section for AAS...doh!
Anyway I'm not sure why the experienced guys there haven't helped out as I now see your thread has been moved to that section.

Have you rread the first cycle guid?

If you haven't, then read it mate cause it's very good and covers everything I've said and more.
Anyway, once you have everything you need and are ready to go, keep updating this thread and as I said, I'll help all I can and hopefully some blokes who are actually running gear will chime in.

 

[Serotonin101]

Read the sticky regarding the First Cycle. In the effort of harm reduction, please spend a few more months at least learning how these drugs work in your body from the liver processing methylated compounds, how Ester type influences injectable, what aromatase does and how it impacts your compound choices, how aromatase inhibitors work as they are not all the same, what a serm is and how different ones work as they also aren't all the same, and as was mentioned the hpta a system. This knowledge among other stuff is the fundamental understanding of what's needed to use aas in a safer manner (there is no 100% safe manner as there is always something that could go wrong such as dirty compounds, injection related infection, reactions, and hormonal dysfunction) and being able to identify and correct issues that may come about.

 

[Phobos]

Hello all.

I currently take Oxycodone for pain and I'm about to take Anabolic Steroids (Methandienone 10mg x 2 once a day) to build up my body by going the gym. Is there any interactions between taking these drugs together? Cheers guys.

Hi.

You should know that Oxydodone, just like any opioid, will reduce sex hormone production quite a bit, it's dose dependent so hard to say how much it's affecting you if you don't have recent blood tests.

AAS will also negatively impact sex hormone production while you take them but also, potentially, forever.

You should read up a lot before you start taking AAS pills, they are very liver toxic and can have bad interactions with many other drugs and alcohol as well.
If you do not use AAS safely you will 100% run into all sorts of serious medical issues like cardiovascular disease, erectile disfunction, depression etc.

 

[Genetic Freak]

Far too many people stress about potential estrogen "side effects", Unless you are otherwise genetically predisposed to aromatization, or your cycle is on the excessive side then, maybe remember estrogen is a growth hormone (you kinda need it)..!!!! Employ cruciferous vegetables to your meals as an AI..

Front loading/kick-starting is counterproductive to growth potential, and future health..

We have two excellent stickies titled My First Cycle, and Why You Should Not Frontload..

I suggest you read them both, and don't listen to advice on the internet..!!