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Opioid Withdrawals arent lethal?? I BEG TO DIFFER -- EX-ADDICTS HELP PLZ

Btw, I don't know much about opioids, but isn't your fent more like 400 times as strong as heroine, instead of 4000 times? 25ug are a dose you said, isn't a heroine dose at about 10mg? It doesn't add up. It'd explain the 500mg per day though, cause that's just 200g Heroine per day, believable actually. In fact I have heard from a friend that he was using 20-30mg fent per dose, I think his derivative was about twice as strong as regular fent if I'm not mistaken. So that's what? 80 times the potency of heroine? That's 2g per dose which would equal to 40g in twenty doses which you have been reportedly doing per day... Not such a big difference. Note: I'm 99% sure this other person was not ever bullshitting me.

Btw spunkyskunk there are still a lot of grammatical mistakes in the stuff you corrected. I'm not going to lower myself to this level now, but it's mostly the use of a wrong tense. I'm not even gonna try to say that my shit's all properly spelled etc. I'm German anyway... But if you do criticize someone for grammatical and spelling mistakes in a fucking internet forum... Well, you should at least be absolutely certain that you yourself have done your homework. Stop the fighting man, it's stupid, we know your opinion on the topic, maybe you should stick to just that, the topic.
 
Well johanneschimpo, I didn't express myself quiet right. I was referring to the fentanyl usage of course. :D
And from what I know, a tolerance to an amount of fentanyl derivatives that is equal to 50g of Heroine per day has been acquired by a friend of mine. I'm quiet certain that this is true, don't take my word for it (you're not going to anyway), but well, it seems like the tolerance for this stuff can increase quiet a bit and with superpotent compounds that are 100x or more stronger than morphine, it seems believable. I don't know about the neurochemistry, but have you ever met anyone who reached a maximum opioid tolerance at some point? Is there anything to be found about a tolerance barrier in the literature? Info would be mcuh appreciated. Peace
 
crOOk said:
Btw spunkyskunk there are still a lot of grammatical mistakes in the stuff you corrected. I'm not going to lower myself to this level now, but it's mostly the use of a wrong tense. I'm not even gonna try to say that my shit's all properly spelled etc. I'm German anyway... But if you do criticize someone for grammatical and spelling mistakes in a fucking internet forum... Well, you should at least be absolutely certain that you yourself have done your homework. Stop the fighting man, it's stupid, we know your opinion on the topic, maybe you should stick to just that, the topic.
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I wasn't going to spend a lot of time on correcting his post. I just wanted to outline the point that he is horrible at grammar. Especially if he is a "genius". There has been anything but a "genius" tone coming from his posts.
There is a word for this type of person. It isn't "genius", it is "compulsive-liar".
 
maybe this has been mentioned before because i haven't checked every post in this fairly long thread, but to the OP:

maybe you should try some kratom. the effects are opiate-like and even if it doesn't help you sleep, maybe it will just help you feel better while you are detoxing. i've heard of people using kratom relatively safely to help with opiate detox and it might even help you sleep if you take it and immediately lay down...

just a suggestion.
 
malfunkshun said:
maybe this has been mentioned before because i haven't checked every post in this fairly long thread, but to the OP:

maybe you should try some kratom. the effects are opiate-like and even if it doesn't help you sleep, maybe it will just help you feel better while you are detoxing. i've heard of people using kratom relatively safely to help with opiate detox and it might even help you sleep if you take it and immediately lay down...

just a suggestion.
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and a valid one at that. Unfortunately to acquire any would take too long. And aside from that, operation B-ZO acquisitions was a success!
 
crOOk said:
Well mister, I cannot keep myself from commenting on the irony of the whole situation. I bet you must feel like shit now, for years you had these dreams of grandeur and now you are just a junky, a junky without friends, a junky who has sold his soul to the devil (you know what I'm talking about), a junky who is now paying for all the shit he has been doing over the past years...

And seriously, eventhough what you did isn't really all that difficult, it's the wrong dream to choose... You show great potential, being someone who will ACT and not just TALK like most other people. You could have become one of the best and now... Well, I don't like to repeat myself, but the only thing positive I could say about you would be that you have a few bucks in your pocket.

I can't say I feel sorry for you that it didn't work out the way you had planned, but I saw this coming. I still hope that you will get better and that by then you will have learned from your mistakes and will chose another dream, one that will not only fulfill you, but one that will also help other people. It might not sound as easy as the last one you failed on, but it'll be a lot mor rewarding.
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Your right bud. The fentasy failed to deliver what it was ultimately supposed to, but that was pretty much foreshadowed by the nature of the molecule to begin with

thanks for your support man, and im sorry for that time I was an ass to you, I was under slavery, I was blind by delusions de grandeur. I hope your still clean as u said you were goin for... PCP-free is the life for thee!! ;)

although u cant say u dont miss the pieces of your face drifting away from you now can you??? :D
 
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ITEOG: A file/link at yousendit is only valid for 7 days for unregistered users. You already posted a low-res pic here, so why not post it on yousendit if you want some valid opinions on the test results? You don't have to post the link in public you know...
 
Another update I should note:

This is my current regimen for mind and body the past 48 hours... (ed = every day)

3tbsp/ed Udos oil
3caps/ed anti-oxidants w/ ALA + more
2tabs/ed multi-vitamin/minerals
30mins/3Xed walking


tommorow I add into the mix...

150mg/ed Rhodiola Rosea
???/ed GABA capsules *anyone know a good dose?*
1GAL/ed Pomegranate juice
1500mg/ed Tribulus Terrestris
25mg/ed Oxandrolone *steroid*


+ alot of soul searching


wish me luck
 
after reading through the thread, i've noticed that you say you are experiencing physical discomfort but you're still mentally in top euphoria? i really can't see the problem here, if it were me anyway.
 
Refluxer said:
ITEOG: A file/link at yousendit is only valid for 7 days for unregistered users. You already posted a low-res pic here, so why not post it on yousendit if you want some valid opinions on the test results? You don't have to post the link in public you know...
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YGPM :)
 
malfunkshun said:
after reading through the thread, i've noticed that you say you are experiencing physical discomfort but you're still mentally in top euphoria? i really can't see the problem here, if it were me anyway.
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If you check my more recent posts, you'll see that the euphoria has finally stopped... this is why im stepping up my mental-herbal warfare with these upcoming regimen additions :D
 
crOOk said:
Well johanneschimpo, I didn't express myself quiet right. I was referring to the fentanyl usage of course. :D
And from what I know, a tolerance to an amount of fentanyl derivatives that is equal to 50g of Heroine per day has been acquired by a friend of mine. I'm quiet certain that this is true, don't take my word for it (you're not going to anyway), but well, it seems like the tolerance for this stuff can increase quiet a bit and with superpotent compounds that are 100x or more stronger than morphine, it seems believable. I don't know about the neurochemistry, but have you ever met anyone who reached a maximum opioid tolerance at some point? Is there anything to be found about a tolerance barrier in the literature? Info would be mcuh appreciated. Peace
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Its definitely the case that tolerances to traditional opiates (herion) and non-traditional (obscure fentanyl derivatives) are not proportional. I do believe you, tolerance to things like this do seem to go up much faster than to heroin (which is still quite fast). I used heroin for a few years, and towards the end, my usage stayed fairly consistent for a long time (purity stayed the same)

And I've read before, I think it came from the Swiss "shooting gallery" studies (whatever that program is called) that users did reach a usage plateau after a while, I think 2 grams/day. Maybe they could have gone higher, I don't know, but they were content once they reached somewhere around that level. With fentanyl, or other opioids, this will surely be different, because even with regular fent using several milligrams a day is not only not unheard of, but like you said before, reasonable. With things 100x stronger than that, or however strong they are, who knows?
 
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the tolerance goes up faster than you could ever imagine, im talking a quadroupling everyday

some friends who tried hated it because they said after using just 1 day of it and stopping, theyd WD for 3 days after like theyd been bangin H for a couple months
 
I tried the green Beta-Hydroxy-4-MF blotters and I loved it. That cost me 300$ for 60 doeses of 100ug or 6mg in total... I can't beleive that you took 3 times / dose for what I got.

I don't think their is a huge cross tolerence between H and 2OH4MeF.
because I used to snort 50mg+ of Hydro-morphone a day and 100ug of 2OH4MeF was enought to get me hight but for only 1h to 1h30.
 
Lawrence said:
100ug of 2OH4MeF was enought to get me hight but for only 1h to 1h30.
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Ya 100mcg for sublingual.

If you was insuffin, 50mcg would do the same thing, but only give you a 30-45 min run. Really tho ultimately you end up using the same amount for same time either way.


And how was your WD from the subling??
Only 3 day WD right? Like my prior WD attempts...
 
In the Eyes of God said:
Ya 100mcg for sublingual.

If you was insuffin, 50mcg would do the same thing, but only give you a 30-45 min run. Really tho ultimately you end up using the same amount for same time either way.


And how was your WD from the subling??
Only 3 day WD right? Like my prior WD attempts...
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Took 3 days or 4 days for the physical, mental WD's only 1 weeks.

I was addicted to many opioids: Fentanyl, Hydro-morphone , Oxycodone, Pharoh-Fent.

I have to say that Fentanyl and this analogue was the worst, I didn't sleep at all for the first 4 days and got the restless leg syndrom. I had also to wake up every 4 to 5 hours to redose to refall asleep, thing that I didnt have with any other opioids... And like you said, only walking was a pain, mantaly, all I did was watch the TV during the WD.

With Oxycodone I had pain in my foots, every morning till I dose.

Hydro-morphone, I had nothing special, WD's was easy, 4-5 days and all gone.

Overall, WD's from fentanyl and his analogue is the worst for sure, at least for me...
 
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