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I don't think you can patent a substance under any UK legal instrument. Patents cover methods and processes. And in any case, if it's being produced in China then I don't think they would give much of a fuck.
 
Big pharma have a lot of bucks behind them, maybe enough to even scare the chinese ? i dunno.

When new drugs are introduced they seem to be limited to one brand, after a few years all generic companies start selling them much cheaper. There must be some kind of thing that gives the inventing company some exclusive rights to sell the products for the first few years. This has been my experience of looking into antidepressants.
 
True, and patent law is widely variable internationally. Cases consume a lot of court time. Fuck knows what's going on, but you'd think some tiny illicit chinese lab would just bribe the local constabulary and get on with it.
 
Yeah, I think you're mistaken knock. In India, pharmaceutical patent law pertains to a particular synthetic route or process, as you say, which is part of the reason they produce so many generics, but that's the exception rather than the rule. We all know that drugs are patented, and then sold for exorbitant prices for a few years to recoup R&D costs, then the prices plummet once the patent expires and the medicine can be made as a generic.

MDB, what's so special about ODT? I didn't think it was all that, just a fairly mild opioid with no unique virtues.
 
i wondered how indian pregabalin was so cheap whilst all the americans are complaining about how expensive it is for them to buy over in Other Drugs. It makes sense now. What doesnt make sense is why the americans dont buy it from india, unless they are forbidden to do so.
 
Yeah. Americans effectively foot the bill for the world's medical research costs. Almost everywhere else, medicine is nationalised to some extent, for instance we have NICE, which performs cost-benefit analyses on new drugs and rejects them if they don't represent value for money. In the states, they price drugs at what the market will bear. It's one of the many problems of their system, there's a disparity in power between a few giant sellers and small buyers who don't have the monolithic power that something like the NHS does. In economic terms, citizens of pretty much any other nations are free riders, getting the benefits of medical recearch they're not paying for. Drug companies negotiate exclusive contracts, which allows them to practice price discrimination and sell drugs at different prices in different countries. Because the costs of research have to be made up somewhere, you often end up with drugs being sold for much more than it costs to produce them, pregabalin being your example, the one I would look at is sodium oxybate, an incredibly expensive drug, which is just pharmaceutical GHB, something that the kitchen chemist can knock out at a tiny fraction of the price that patients pay.
 
I posted this i think but forgot to post send

Is ODT noiw available again?>? Iv heard its coming back, a lab/shops been doing ore porders for months and iv some being advertised recently :S

I thouht it was gone for good, precurson illegal in china and eu labs dont wanna make an opiate cause it lbring attention.. i think/thniknk i was told that once too

But yeah, is real stuff back on the scene?
 
you did post it, may have missed my reply, maybe it was a shit reply

i followed that one up very thoroughly, if its the same one, the vendor more or less admitted that allthough he was listing it he didnt actually have any, and what he did have was receiving very bad reviews on SOS.
 
babylonboy said:
Yeah, I think you're mistaken knock. In India, pharmaceutical patent law pertains to a particular synthetic route or process, as you say, which is part of the reason they produce so many generics, but that's the exception rather than the rule. We all know that drugs are patented, and then sold for exorbitant prices for a few years to recoup R&D costs, then the prices plummet once the patent expires and the medicine can be made as a generic.

MDB, what's so special about ODT? I didn't think it was all that, just a fairly mild opioid with no unique virtues.
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I may well be mistaken, I'm full of drugs =D

O-desmethyltramadol is the primary metabolite of tramadol. It's produced in the liver. Is that not prior art ;)
 
So a generic of any med is just a differernt syntheses route to that drug? I didnt know that, thought it just had to be called something differed to an already established one

Even if its the final finished products surely theyl be small differences in because of differences in synth route? Or have i totally misssed te d]idea here
 
ColourfulKronos said:
So a generic of any med is just a differernt syntheses route to that drug? I didnt know that, thought it just had to be called something differed to an already established one

Even if its the final finished products surely theyl be small differences in because of differences in synth route? Or have i totally misssed te d]idea here
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it can be called by its chemical name, not its original brand name. Probably why so many people call bupe Subs. Your idea would make sense if you applied that to mephedrone. Maybe they use the same ingredients post ban, but they are not getting the final result anything like it should be.
 
No, no, generic just means that it's being produced and marketed by a company other than the one that developed it and brought it to market, i.e. not under a patent. Usually it's possible to patent both the product itself, and the specific processes used to produce it. In India, the law is different, it's only the process that can be patented, not the drug itself, so all you have to do is find a novel synthetic route and you can produce and sell a drug that is still under patent. You're right, though, the patent on the chemical isn't the same thing as the trademark on the name. So, they can produce and sell pregabalin, but not under the name Lyrica.

No, the finished product won't be different, chemically. The theory of chemistry is that a molecule is what it is, regardless of how it was synthesised. So, for example, d-methamphetamine produced by reduction of pseudoephedrine is exactly the same chemical as d-methamphetamine produced by reductive amination of phenylacetone. There's no middle ground in chemistry, a chemical is one thing or another. Pharmaceuticals are strongly regulated and have to be very pure to be sold, so no, despite what many would have you believe, generics are no different to the "official" version of the drug.
 
Haven't read all the thread so sorry if this has already been said, but I actually quite enjoyed AH-7921, despite the negative stuff a lot of people have said about it. Got a proper nice buzz off it - in terms of intensity I'd compare it to hydrocodone, maybe. But yeah, I'd definitely recommend that one.
 
Oh, so you were asking for us to identify whether or not the mysterious bag of powder you have is actually what it was sold to you as? Despite the fact you've stated it is inactive at doses that should definitely produce analgesia? No-one is going to have any info on it, it has kind of a bad reputation. So sorry to advise you that the drug that you're recklessly ingesting has been known to be contaminated with a potent neurotoxin when improperly synthesised, I'm sure the chemist that couldn't even be bothered to wash the brown out of his product is very diligent and competent. It was foolish of us to be concerned for your safety.
 
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