Opinion please.. bad trip

[forestxfaerie]

Ok to make a long story short.. I am now almost 30.. when I was 19-20 I hadn't really done drugs other than the legals.. I was introduced to shrooms and I had a really bad trip. Depersonalization and all that. It caused me problems after too.. I had panic attacks that started weeks after the trip that were very frightening and I enventually had to go to a psychatrist who prescribed me Paxil. 1 year on paxil really straightened my head up. Well i've since done many drugs (not psychadelics... i steer clear of those) My favorties are: mdma, mmcat, and opiates. Oh.. I almost forgot.. I did salvia.. the trip was mild though but I didn't freak. However, I feel like this bad trip has been hanging over my head all this time making me feel weak somewhat. I really want to get through a trip and come out with a rewarding/learning experience. I feel I am much more knowledgeable about it now .. better prepared so to speak but once those negative thoughts enter that I am going crazy etc its really hard to think otherwise. So my question is.. what would be a good starting substance for reintroducing myself to psychadelics? shrooms again? acid/lsd? or maybe a milder substance such as 2C-C?

 

[.Felix.]

2c-c would be a very nice choice. It has virtually no mind fuck and a light body load which I consider to be a body high! It has minor visuals, nothing to crazy or anything you'll notice much, just designs and brighter colors. 2c-c is like a baby, great way to introduce. LSD is cool too at low doses. Dont go to high. One thing about LSD though is if you get from street dealer your not going to know exactly how much is in there.

 

[forestxfaerie]

awesome.. thats what i was thinking when i was reading up on 2C-C.. I figure something mild would be best to start with. I wonder if it is going to be hopeless though.. the first experience was a bad trip so will it be hard to have a good trip?

 

[pattbateman]

every trip is different. odds r whatever you try you will be fine.

 

[emperorofusa]

If drug use caused enough damage that you need to be on a psychiatric medication to stabilize you, why in the world are you toying around with other drugs? I highly recommend that you stop using. It took me too long to learn that lesson, but I finally did and I'm happier for it. Seriously though, why are you still using after having caused possibly permanent damage to your brain, and not only that, but why are you using while taking psychiatric medications?

I've been there. I learned my lesson the hard way. I hope you don't.

 

[jamaica0535]

we aren't supposed to have what should i take threads because our opinion is generally pretty subjective.... everyone has a different opinion....

most of the 2c's tend to be pretty easy on the mind, i would steer away from 2c-e as its generally a more mental experience.... 2c-b is a wonderful compound, its definitly tripping but has some of the friendly aspects of MDMA in with it.... colorful, friendly, as far as the senses are concerned most of them are heightened... you get a lot of the tactile nature of MDMA as far as touching things, but unlike most psychs food is marvelous with 2c-b.... its easy to be around people at doses 20mg or equivilent oral dose.... Me and another family member were on 10mg nasally around our parents, watched a movie.... 2c-i is rather nice as well, stimulating and visual.

As a precautionary measure, whatever you decide to take if you decide to go through with tripping, keep benzos on hand.... enough to kill anxiety or just knock your ass out if need be. 3mg of klonopin will have a pretty large person out like a light for the next 12 hours.... a similar dose of xanax would be less sedating but probably better as far as killing anxiety....

 

[forestxfaerie]

If drug use caused enough damage that you need to be on a psychiatric medication to stabilize you, why in the world are you toying around with other drugs? I highly recommend that you stop using. It took me too long to learn that lesson, but I finally did and I'm happier for it. Seriously though, why are you still using after having caused possibly permanent damage to your brain, and not only that, but why are you using while taking psychiatric medications?

I've been there. I learned my lesson the hard way. I hope you don't.

i think you misunderstood.. I am not taking paxil anymore. i only took it for 1 year after the shroom experience. the shroom experience caused me to have panic attacks. After I was off paxil I then tried mdma first and i absolutely loved it. I am fine with drugs except for psychadelics. I waited until I was completely stable before trying mdma though.. I think i had a bad trip because I wasn't prepared for it.. someone just gave it to me saying i would have fun.. i didn't research it or anything. I was really naive at the time. I think i am better prepared for it now

 

[dread]

Yeah don't listen to alarmists. If you did shrooms, there's no way you have done any "damage to your brain". It was just a bad trip. It's "all in your head"...

The #1 cause for bad trips is wrong set & setting. The #2 is wrong dosage. Get those two points right and you can't go wrong, whatever the substance.

Ps. don't do that mephedrone shit, seriously. It's bad for you. Big time.


pps. Next time you trip, if you get that fear of going crazy, don't fight it. Embrace the crazyness. Convince yourself that nothing can go wrong, nothing can harm you permanently. The fear usually springs from subconscious issues that you need to deal with. Be honest to yourself. Don't fight it. Go with the flow...

 

[forestxfaerie]

Yeah don't listen to alarmists. If you did shrooms, there's no way you have done any "damage to your brain". It was just a bad trip. It's "all in your head"...

The #1 cause for bad trips is wrong set & setting. The #2 is wrong dosage. Get those two points right and you can't go wrong, whatever the substance.

Ps. don't do that mephedrone shit, seriously. It's bad for you. Big time.


pps. Next time you trip, if you get that fear of going crazy, don't fight it. Embrace the crazyness. Convince yourself that nothing can go wrong, nothing can harm you permanently. The fear usually springs from subconscious issues that you need to deal with. Be honest to yourself. Don't fight it. Go with the flow...

thanks for the advice jamacia.. i was wondering if a small dose of a benzo before a trip would keep me calm. i may try that. dread.. i do think it was the wrong set & setting.. i was with people i really didnt know that well.. many who were not even tripping and I was in a different city that i didnt know very well. I think i may have taken too much as well...

as for the mephedrone.. i haven't had any issues with it and i've experimented with it quite a bit. many say methylone is better but for me methylone feels really toxic. i have hardly no comedown from mephedrone.. i think the problems are people taking way too much. less is always more with that substance. im talking no more than 500mg a day and no more than 100-150mg a dose.

i think i had a susceptibility to anxiety and the shrooms brought it right to the surface.. i think i have alot of issues subconciously and if i could use it as a tool for healing it would be awesome... i just was too naive and didn't know about it then.. was using it for 'fun' rather than a learning experience. Also the people who were tripping with me were making me more upset by freaking me out with their worried looks rather than calming me down. one even gave me OJ which i later found out potentiates it! I think if i just had someone to reassure me I wouldn't have had such a horrible outcome. i was totally convinced that i was going to have to be locked up in the looney bin. sounds silly to someone who hasn't experienced it but it was honestly one of the most frightening experiences i've ever had. losing control of your sanity is worse than anything IMO

I have a very mature friend who is experienced with tripping (she is even studying to become a shaman) and i think she would be a good sitter.. helping me with the right thought processes. this is my life goal.. to be able to have just one good trip so i need to face my fear and do it at some point.

 

[dread]

i have hardly no comedown from mephedrone.. i think the problems are people taking way too much.

That's not the case. Read up on the threads at advanced drug discussion. There are reports of people trying mephedrone for the first time with a moderate dosage and getting horrible side effects. There's just something wrong with the whole substance. Seems pretty toxic to me. But hey, if you enjoy extreme vasoconstriction and limbs turning blue, who am I to shit on your parade...

one even gave me OJ which i later found out potentiates it!

No it doesn't, it's a myth. Of course if you believe it does then it does. That's how self suggestion works...

i need to face my fear and do it at some point.

Yes. Your plan sounds good. There are probably issues that were left unfinished on your first trip, and I believe you will feel better once you get those off your chest, which the second trip may well accomplish, especially if you pay attention to set & setting, and other precautions.

Having an experienced guide for your trip is the wisest way to go about this.

 

[Ismene]

Safest way is to start with a low dose you can handle - seeing as you've bugged out once before I'd start VERY LOW. Like one mushroom.

 

[Nib]

Ok to make a long story short.. I am now almost 30.. when I was 19-20 I hadn't really done drugs other than the legals.. I was introduced to shrooms and I had a really bad trip. Depersonalization and all that. It caused me problems after too.. I had panic attacks that started weeks after the trip that were very frightening and I enventually had to go to a psychatrist who prescribed me Paxil. 1 year on paxil really straightened my head up. Well i've since done many drugs (not psychadelics... i steer clear of those) My favorties are: mdma, mmcat, and opiates. Oh.. I almost forgot.. I did salvia.. the trip was mild though but I didn't freak. However, I feel like this bad trip has been hanging over my head all this time making me feel weak somewhat. I really want to get through a trip and come out with a rewarding/learning experience. I feel I am much more knowledgeable about it now .. better prepared so to speak but once those negative thoughts enter that I am going crazy etc its really hard to think otherwise. So my question is.. what would be a good starting substance for reintroducing myself to psychadelics? shrooms again? acid/lsd? or maybe a milder substance such as 2C-C?

Yea man Shrooms could turn scary pretty easily. Lately I've been taking them and don't have much of a problem with them, but when I was younger and less experienced with them I always got a little scared, and have actually spent 1 trip with my head on my lap the entire trip I was tripping so hard. Shit even now it could be pretty nerve racking when it gets intense. LSD is much better in my opinion as far as getting scared.

How much shrooms did you eat when you had this bad trip also? If it was something like 4g's + of some really potent Shrooms, shit maybe even an 8th with some really potent ones,then I could see that turning bad. Set and Setting is as everyone said EXTREMELY important. Don't know much about the 2c's, but I'm waiting for my 2c-e right now and I'm excited as fuck. I also really love Mephedrone and I'm waiting for that as well. I honestly might like it more then MDMA, except that it doesn't last as long, and if you start redosing to much it could make you feel like shit. Otherwise the come-down is smooth as shit.

 

[forestxfaerie]

my limbs never turned blue and i never felt at any point that it was toxic.. just me i guess.

as for the OJ.. after i drank the OJ my visualizations became stronger (this was before i read that vit C potentiates so no self suggestion in play there)

Nib- LSD isn't as mental as shrooms? I am not sure how much I ate.. I ate like 4 then when i wasn't feeling much I went back for 2 more I think? I forget how big they were though as its been so long ago. What is the best dose for shrooms? let me know how the 2c-e experience went.. people that say they like meph better than mdma.. it makes me wonder if they've had pure mdma crystals. nothing beats that IMO.. meph is awesome but it just doesn't have the depth that mdma has and doesn't last nearly as long.. i like how mdma isn't moreish

 

[Nib]

my limbs never turned blue and i never felt at any point that it was toxic.. just me i guess.

as for the OJ.. after i drank the OJ my visualizations became stronger (this was before i read that vit C potentiates so no self suggestion in play there)

Nib- LSD isn't as mental as shrooms? I am not sure how much I ate.. I ate like 4 then when i wasn't feeling much I went back for 2 more I think? I forget how big they were though as its been so long ago. What is the best dose for shrooms? let me know how the 2c-e experience went.. people that say they like meph better than mdma.. it makes me wonder if they've had pure mdma crystals. nothing beats that IMO.. meph is awesome but it just doesn't have the depth that mdma has and doesn't last nearly as long.. i like how mdma isn't moreish

Yea i've tripped pretty hard on LSD before, and it was nothing but awesome visuals, and fucking hysterical laughter. Seeing people growing out of the leaves of this tree and crazy shit like that. Shrooms are definitely more of a mind thing than LSD for me at least.

And this last weekend I actually did 4.5g's of shrooms, and a 200mg Molly cap. I was actually glad that I had the Molly to take away some of the Shroom tension.

As far as Mephedrone, it has more of an intense feeling, but yea I guess the love you get from MDMA can't really be beat. So I dunno, they're both great.

 

[PepperSocks]

as for the OJ.. after i drank the OJ my visualizations became stronger (this was before i read that vit C potentiates so no self suggestion in play there)

Most likely due to the sensory explosion of taste in your mouth.

Either that or the sugar might have given you more energy to work with.

 

[emperorofusa]

i think you misunderstood.. I am not taking paxil anymore. i only took it for 1 year after the shroom experience. the shroom experience caused me to have panic attacks. After I was off paxil I then tried mdma first and i absolutely loved it. I am fine with drugs except for psychadelics. I waited until I was completely stable before trying mdma though.. I think i had a bad trip because I wasn't prepared for it.. someone just gave it to me saying i would have fun.. i didn't research it or anything. I was really naive at the time. I think i am better prepared for it now

Thanks for clearing things up for me. However, considering your previous reaction, I would still strongly urge you to reconsider drug use. It really does cause more problems than it is worth. If you are going to continue to use, moderation is absolutely necessary. Always take proper precautions. Be as safe as you can and never, ever let your guard down. I had my time of experimentation before I saw the light, so I certainly can't fault you for wanting to explore as well.

If you are no longer on any medications you'll have a few less troubles at the very least.

 

[Eldaren]

People really find shrooms more mind fucky than LSD? It's set and setting people. What were you doing the first time you had the "bad trip"? Also, keep in mind that "people's worried faces looking back at you" isn't necessarily as true as you believe it is at the given time. Keep in mind that the manifestation of your mind WILL bring to light things you don't really know or remember about yourself, things you fear or need to deal with. Keep it in perspective when you're tripping. And don't trust whatever your brain is telling you about people's facial expressions.