Opiate w/d help

[ksralyv2mch]

Going through opiate withdrawal (only a week bender after 3 years clean)... need help on dosage... got work next couple days... a double tomorrow I can't miss (16 hours ) SO I CAN'T BE DEAD ON MY FEET.

here is my aresenal:

• 17 .5g Kratom Ma Dewhatever Capsules
• 4g Kratom Thai 20x Extract
• 6 - 7.5/750 Vicodins
• 15 Gabapentins 300mg
• 10 ativan .5mg
• citalopram
• ambien
• mary jane

all these are legally acquired, I work as a server in a restaurant so I can't be dead on my feet

 

[ksralyv2mch]

here is my idea right now:
1st day- am & pm: 2 vicodins, 2 ativan, 2 grams kratom, citalopram (and constant weed smoking) ambien for sleep
2nd day- am: 2 vicodins (or 1g 20x kratom extract), 2 ativan, citalopram. pm: 3-4 Gabas, 2 ativan 3 grams kratom.
3rd day- am: 1 g 20x kratom extract, 2 ativan, citalopram, possibly gaba depending on how it like it...

 

[FrogWarrior]

Only took a week for withdrawals? Has this happened before where you're off the drug for a long time, then the occasional 1-2 week bender causes w/d?

Anyhow, all that should cover 3 days no problem, if things get rough, you can get your doc to prescribe you a months worth of clonidine, gabapentin (or pregabalin).

 

[Vaya]

More appropriate for Other Drugs;

TDS >>> OD

 

[ad lib]

Moved. TDS ~ OD

 

[Effect]

What was your opiate of choice and what was your daily intake like? Knowing that info will make it easier for people to help, but as long as you didn't have a monster habit then it sounds like you have enough in your arsenal to keep you comfortable enough to make it through your double.

 

[BlueHues]

^Yeah, I think the OP posted this just after midnight last night...but with what he has on hand, one day isn't really an issue...A taper will probably be necessary if they're getting anything above mild WD symptoms..

 

[Effect]

^ shit, I'm usually pretty good about checking post dates/times, but that one screwed with me cause it's Tuesday on the east coast now. Oh well %)

 

[BlueHues]

^I didn't notice right away either, but if they need help with a taper I'm sure they'll come back...

By all means, answer all the questions you can, we need all the help we can get man!

 

[tricomb]

I edited your thread title because we do not allow the posting of urgency in thread titles for the reasons outlined in the OD guidelines.

I recommend you search for our opiate withdrawal arsenal thread using the search engine.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

For only a week long run, sounds like you have plenty to get through a couple days of work, man. Of course, it depends what your DOC is you relapsed on and what doses you were using during that week, but unless you were doing something like IV'ing $200 worth of H a day.. you have plenty of meds to make you comfortable, whichever way you choose to use them.

 

[ksralyv2mch]

Sorry bout all the noob stuff,

starting to feel 4/10 on Withdrawal scale. Another question I have is gabapentin, is it something that makes you drowsy? I heard it helps a lot with w/d symptom but if I take it before work will I be all tired?? Is it something you take the night before and then the half life is long enough to hold you over..

Should I taper? Do you think the if I use the Kratom in the morning and GABA at night with the ativans as needed it should be pretty comfortable yeah??

I guess I am asking more about what combinations would work best for:
a)Work
b)After Work
c)Sleep

I hope this makes sense, kinda stoned right now %)

thank you in advanced and again I apologize if I violated any rules :-(

 

[tacodude]

I know it's not the ulatamite answer, but if mj is easy to acquire get some bud and water hash as well as wax of available. I'd save the wax for nighttime to. Personally I'd say find a strain that is recommended for muscle tension and sleep aid. If you can get a high cbd bud even if it had no thc as by itself it has very beneficial physical effects with minor effects on thought process in my experience yet if you need a heavier smoke you add the hash. Tincture for night time to are a good idea.

While cannabis may take the bit of and help pass time smoking it is expensive and imo not the best fix just one of the less risky fixs.

I did find ketamine to be helpful although I doubt you will find that. I wouldn't be surprised if dxm in non recreational over the counter doses helped. There may be some other helpful otc medications. Even ibprofin, acemitophin, or any common NSAID should help a bit with the pain.

Good luck. Have people close to keep your spirits up if needed as opiate wd are an intense trial as I'm sure you know. I bet you can do it though!

 

[ksralyv2mch]

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update

Day two of detoxing...

Day one: Woke up feeling ok cause the night before I took 1200mg of Gabapentin and felt GREAT but very uncoordinated and if I laid down, I would fall asleep almost immediately. But at the 24 hour mark (9am) from my last dosage, I started feeling yawny with the tears and the nose running and the achy muscle, constantly stretching. I couldn't even smoke weed cause it just seemed so unappealing. When I go through withdrawals my WORST symptom is my saliva, I salivate like 4x the normal amount constantly and it DRIVES ME FUCKING INSANE!!!!!!!!!!
So at 24 hours from last dose I took 1 gram of C.K. Thai Kratom 20x Extract and 5mg Diazepam and waited... Felt ok not better, but had enough energy to go grocery shopping cause we had no food in the house, got comfort food etc etc. By the time I got back from the store (30mins) I was feeling goose bumpy (1+hour since I took kratom) and still uneasy, I took another 10mg of diazepam and another gram of the Kratom and was OUT!

Woke up 3 hours later drenched in sweat... felt real weird. Hung over without the head pain. I took .5grams of kratom and read online about Lope cause I felt the kratom wasn't doing enough... I like what I read and went out and got some Lope (48 pills in total, and some gatorade cause it dehydrates you and you need electrolites and water and I have prescription stool softeners at my disposal) I took 8 2mg pills and 1mg of ativan and smoked some high grade sativa weed (wish I had some indica...) took the lopes with a glass of FRESH squeezed orange juice cause I heard it helps with the crossing of the BBB but I didn't do the tagamet thing cause I don't want to extend this withdrawals...it was only a short run so...anyway I laid down and then about 3/4 hours later I took 900mg of Gabapentin and took a hot shower, I got out the shower and the gabapentin had kicked in. My coordination was off but I felt GREAT even a little giddy!! IT was wonderful after a day of suffering, I chilled with my gf, talked, smoked weed, ate food, had sex, it was fantastic! We tried watched 'What Dreams May Come' but I took another 300mg of Gabapentin and a benedryl (my nose just would not stop running!) then remembered they synergize and was like fuck it then passed out... HARD for 9 hours.

Now I am feeling fine.. worried tho... have a feeling there is a huge tidal wave brewing off on the horizon waiting to crash down upon me leaving me at square one... I plan on taking 5 Lopes 2 hours before work (I work in a high class very busy restraurant that does NOT slow down EVER) with a little grape fruit juice and have 3 gabies on hand... IDK about taking it at work though because my coordination is off, but just a bit, if I focus I think I'd manage but those are just in case I start feeling REAL shitty...

Anyway I don't know if anyone cares but that's my update, just took 4 grams of Maeng Da Kratom (non extract) just in case and am going to make some music cause I rock at that.

Peace, love and bud.

 

[wantoffopies]

I feel for you, I currently on kratom now my past opi habit was 80 mg oxycodone daily for 2 years then 80 mg methadone in a clinic for 6 months and finally decided to try kratom to get off the methadone. I got down to 30mg in 2 weeks then took the pain for 4 days then ordered kratom. My regimen for the last 2 weeks has been 6 gram powdered bali no enhanced, 3 or 4 times a day, toss and wash and it seems to help about 80 percent. No major euphoria but physical w/d not present and I sleep every night, dont overdo the kratom as it can make you sick to your stomach and the jitter that comes with it can be annoying. The less is more theory seems to be the way to go with this stuff. I am planning on reducing my dose by 1 gram each day next week and see how it goes. The kratom is far better than methadone imo or oxycodone and much cheaper for me. I dont want to be on it more than a month but if I am on any opiate type stuff, i would prefer it be kratom. I tried the lope thing at about 18mg and didnt notice much relief, didnt take it with juice or any of the bbb assistance. thats great if it works for you. I also havent had access to benzos,etc during my whole ordeal, the kratom at 6 or so grams every 5-6 hours seems to keep most of the w/d at bay. I still miss that omg i can accomplish anything feeling but know I am beginning to heal and that is a good feeling in itself.

You can do it, the kratom will work if you let it.

Keep me posted.

 

[ksralyv2mch]

Yeah I'm sticking to a 4grams MAX dose of the kratom, I'm just more worried about the mixing of the kratom and lopes are going to just delay my w/ds or if they are actually just masking the symptoms... either way I know I need to do a taper but I don't have a lot of kratom left... in your opinion if I take 4 grams of kratom twice a day, should my taper be like every 2 days go down a gram?

also Gabapentin! WOW if you can get your hands on it buddy, it helps so much, just don't over do it!!! Still feeling groovy right now. Took 1.5 mg of ativan too tho

 

[tacodude]

Night time is the worst trust me. I get severe joint tension in my right elbow that drives me insane during w/d that only comes out at night along with leg pain. I feel sunlight is the main factor that triggers these symptoms. I know what you mean when you feel cannabis won't help and didn't want to some, but trust me and stay medicated with mj. It wont really fix anything although it is a wonderful supplementary med you can use whenever you need if supply allows of course.

Edit: IMO if you could get work off without it reflecting badly I would.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

^^^

Yeah night time and the early morning is always the hardest. That's when you feel the shittiest.

 

[tacodude]

^^^

Yeah night time and the early morning is always the hardest. That's when you feel the shittiest.

The worst part is even if you expect it that doesn't make it any better. I find it best to put myself to sleep before it develops if I can.

 

[ksralyv2mch]

Night time is the worst trust me. I get severe joint tension in my right elbow that drives me insane during w/d that only comes out at night along with leg pain. I feel sunlight is the main factor that triggers these symptoms. I know what you mean when you feel cannabis won't help and didn't want to some, but trust me and stay medicated with mj. It wont really fix anything although it is a wonderful supplementary med you can use whenever you need if supply allows of course.

tacodude, if you can try to get hold of some gabapentin (nerontin) (sp?) They are fairly common in medicine cabinets and it's kinda easy to get from your doctor too. I swear if you take 1200mg of Gabapentin at night it will cure ALL ALL your withdrawal symptoms, unless that isn't a high enough dose then maybe take 1 or 2 more pills and see how you feel. It is crazy cause you even feel a little euphoric....but make sure you check out the Gabapentin megathread before you do it cause there are some things to keep in mind:

1. Tolerance Builds Rapidly, like in 3 days your "normal" dose will no longer work.
2. BECAREFUL HOW MUCH YOU TAKE AND WHAT YOU TAKE IT WITH!! for moderate opiate withdrawal I say 1200-1800mg, i can't say for sever… haven't tried it with that
3. And if you find these enjoyable, which I kind of do, THEY DO CAUSE HELLISH WITHDRAWALS IF YOU TAKE THEM FOR TOO LONG

GODSPEED TACODUDE!%)