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Opiate Treatment

Rosclot

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So I have been using opiates regularly for about a year now and almost daily for 6 months now and I need some help. I have been trying to quit by weening and also tried cold turkey a few times and it just not working for me. I am tight on cash right now and I am afraid that if I don't find a solution to this I may start doing things that I would definitely regret.
So I am think about going on some type of maintainence program, probably methadone since I wouldn't be able to afford bupe.
My questions are, what do you look for in a clinic? How do you find a good clinic? I live right outside of Chicago if anyone has any specific information.
If someone could point me in the right direction on how to find whats available so I could learn what would work best for me I would be vey grateful.
 
CAPS i located in chicago, and ive heard decent things about ..its very laid back with its enforcement in drops and other things...its gets yu in and out and isnt hesitant to up your dosage til ya feel that cravings are gone..

beside that clinic, in joliet illinois there s lifeworks....i used to go there and i didnt care for it much...
 
Answer...

Aside from simply looking inthe yellow pages under "DRug Treatment Program," you can "Google" "Methadone Watch Dog" which should offer you a good array of material to conduct your search.
 
I have no idea how much you spend on opiates but maybe you could afford bupe. Maybe get a family member to help? It's a great cause. I've never been on methadone but from what all the peeps here say about it I wouldn't touch it. Plus ya gotta go to a clinic and meet drug buddies that would tempt you.
 
All I can say is that it's best to stop sooner rather than later. By leaving it till next week for example, your problems only get exponentially worse. Good luck.
 
good luck, rosclot, try and go with the bupe--if you can.

Anyway, hope everything works out--you arent the only one from OD going through this.

swybs
 
Since being on Bupe these last 2 months I have spent 175 [doc visit] + 100 [doc visit] + 140 [meds] + 207 [meds] = $622 [not including other meds]

^and that is cheap from this doctor I use normally she requires a liver functions/panel test [$200] and the first week of treatment wants to see you 3 times [$300], once the second week [$100], and than the 3rd week writes you a month script [$100] + Bupe given in the office expect to bay $8/per 8mg [roughly $75] = 1rst month 1 thousand
8o 8o 8o

Granted the doctor is great and is helpful in treating mutilpe disorders [ADD, SAD, insomnia, opiate addiction, depression, etc.] but it still would be cheaper for me to get a nice new apartment. D'oh

If I was on Methadone those 2 months would have been roughly $200 [if I went on state funding]

That meth locator should help you out Rosclot, post back if you decide to go on a program...
 
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Blah: Great post, very concisive but I do have one question. Illinois does not have full funding a la Medicaid, etc.? It is a rare person here in NY who does not get their methadone for free. Also, a subjective question, how do you like bupe? Also, [guess it wasn't one question!], does your doctor offer straight bupe for maintenance or does he/she require a switch to sub after the initial period?
 
I was putting my rates for methadone at $25 a week state funded, last time I was on it I was paying $8 a week as for full funding with medicade yes its available to my knowledge.

I like the bupe it does its job well and less irratating than meth clincs, my doctor was just telling my today its alot harder to treat meth patients with any other disorders because of so many drug interaction and strict watchdogs.

My doc offers me Suboxone for maintenance during the induction and into the following weeks, months, years. Some docs aroudn her will start you on Subutex and than transer to Suboxone after induction period. Also the doc I am currently seeing also scripts Subutex, it takes a litte back and forth conversation but what it boils down to is Naloxone can cause headaches in some patients, she has switched one of my friends over to strictly Subutex [str8 bupe] for maintenance.
 
yep, at my meth clinic it was like walking thru the living dea sometimes...im not sure whether they were high on methadone, on heroin, on benzos, on whatever but likely a combo of all the above...it was actually tempting in that way...plus, with a clinic usually they are only open during mrning hours and u have to go everyday!!!whoever made that rule is an idiot...

suboxone definitely seems the better way to go..
 
Thank you guys very much for the replies. I checked out their website and CAPS in Downers Grove seems like the place for me to go plus its only 15 minutes away from where I live.
BUT
I am trying really hard to taper off with the last of the H I have and then use my trusty 'ole poppy seed tea method because my wife doens't know about my habit. Having to go to the clinic every morning would be a hard one to pul off but if it comes to that I will come clean with her.
I will let you guys know what happens.

Again,
thanks
 
I'd like to give 1 more pitch for bupe instead of methadone...
Its what I would recommend somebody try for their first detox/maintenance because its less of a commitment compared to methadone...

If you have health insurance it might cover it... otherwise, it still might be cheaper, and SOME doctors will be kind to those who can prove that they're in a financial situation, and give them a discount.
 
It's just an idea, but do you guys think that tramadol could help with withdrawals after some tapering to a reasonable amount of H?
 
Who me?-

Rosclot said he was strapped on cash and bupe wasn't a possibility, its a shame though as bupe is the better maintenence/detox drug IMO. Bupe will remain expensive unless the government does a hold on the price [which wont happen] or untill there patent expires [10 years]. With the cost of a 8mg tab being $5-7 [when bought in quantities over 30, more expensive when you are getting les than 30]. The usual heavy handed habit IME calls for 24-32mg a day thats still about $20/per day just for the meds, still cheaper than a daily habit but untill more health insurance companies start to cover it or they start to offer some sort of sliding scale/state funded payment options bupe will remain out of reach for most people that cant afford to drop that much cash.

Your right about looking around at different bupe doctors as there rates are not set in stone and vary a bit from office to office. Also some doctors are in it for the money duh... and they persist on many more office visits than neccesary. According to the SAMSHA guidlines though the prescribing doctor is supposed to conduct the induction phase that requires a bit more one-on-one consulations in the begining to make sure the drug is working correctly.

I did have a friend who had a monster habit, was low on cash and absolutely was not going back on the methadone wagon as he was previously on methadone and knows that clinics are more blood thirsty [read: money hungry groups that want nothing more for the client to become addicted to methadone and stay on methadone, its funny how they dont mention the insanely high failure rates for simplely getting off methadone not even counting the failure rates if the person can successfully get off and deal with the 2 month'ish w/d's that come with a year-multi-year habit.
Anyways the bupe doctor was able to work out some sort of payment plan with him so it would make getting through the first month alot less taxing.

In time bupe will become more accessable for innercity clincs and hopefully will surpass methadone in its scripts. Plus most Methadone doctors are really not allowed to work on other issues [dual-diagnosis patients] a client might be dealing with because methadone has a huge list of drugs that interact strongly with the meth. My doctor was just telling me that thats one of the reasons she prefers scripting bupe over meth [she does both] is because bupe is more of a one-on-one setting and the bupe allows for a much higer range in medication they can script to help patients with other disorders. When was the last time you saw a methadone doctor script: benzos, adderall, anti-d's and anti-p's along with the opiates? Not many, but in bupe its common.

Desea Vivo el Bupe...!
 
My bupe doc definitely openly admits that he is a bupe maintenance doc. I found him on the list provided at the link above. I had about a 400mg/day Oxycontin habit, was shooting dope, and shooting dilaudids. This shit is suprisingly strong and suprisingly decreases my cravings for opiates in general. He started me off at 32mg/day and perscribed me to 90 pills at a time. The intial visit was $200 and I have to see him every other month (can raise or lower my dosage at my will basically) for $100/visit. I wish subutex was available in the US. I've heard and they look like they're so much easier to insufflate plus the obvious plus for injectability. The orange hexagon 8mg's are a bitch to snort. Very powdery and burns (probably because they're mostly binders) but I've found they hit the hardest this way. I just usually can't snort my whole dosage. I'd get nosebleed or something. I've gotten used to the orange taste though. :)
 
synto, how is your treatment going? Anyway, yea, try and do a cash payment plan--in the long run, you will be happy (and your wife wont know about the methadone chain and ball--i aint insulting, considering I went through the same thing--sometimes, wives dont understand ;>).

Anyway, rosclott, I hope things work out. Give us an update.

swybs
 
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