Opioids opiate naive? and new to methadone

[Mr.Scagnattie]

From what I've heard, it's not unusual with liquid methadone for people to rip you off by diluting it with more cherry koolaid or whatever. Just another reason to go slow on the methadone dosing.

Yeah it happens all the time. Lots of people will just rip you off completely and there wont be any methadone at all. When dealing with the liquid, you can never really know if someone watered it down or how much.. until you do something like the OP, and take 250mg's with no tolerance and barely feel anything.

 

[SteeleyJ]

To anyone that reads this thread, never take doses like the ones in this thread, not if you're opioid niave....or a tolerance.... for the majority of people this sort of dose ( with or without " a couple glasses of wine " ) will end your life.


To op, listen to the posters in this thread, if for some reason someone dilutes your liquid methadone different or not at all next time you will be very lucky to wake up.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

^^^

Yeah it's very dangerous. People get some watered down garbage, take a shit load and feel fine.. so then next time, when they actually get the real thing (having thought the last time it was real too), they say.. "Hey I'll just take the same as last time because I know what it feels like now". And they end up dead. I'd be surprised if the OP had even 50mg's of actual methadone in there.

 

[Ksa]

Yeah, I don't know how you guys manage to pull this off, I would be scared shirtless not to know the exact dose. Even if the dose is ultra-exact, there's plenty of body parameters that keep varying like stomach acidity, blood pH, enzyme inhibition/rate that influence the drug effects. It's already complicated. If you add a degree of freedom by not knowing the exact dose...it's almost unmanageable.

 

[opiatekrzy]

It's funny how I see people at the methadone clinic literally taking 300mg daily when easily that's a 1month supply for an average dose for someone in pain, ...nothing amazes me anymore...10mg three times a day , month supply gulped in a day ..I find it ridicolus someone needs that much .def a chase for a high

 

[sarajenni88]

It's funny how I see people at the methadone clinic literally taking 300mg daily when easily that's a 1month supply for an average dose for someone in pain, ...nothing amazes me anymore...10mg three times a day , month supply gulped in a day ..I find it ridicolus someone needs that much .def a chase for a high

I agree that 300mg is an incredibly high dose. It's sad because these addicts die daily by adding benzos etc. To simulate a heroin high.
Because of this MMT is demonized in many ppls opinions. But many addicts do start out in extremely high doses because their tolerance is high a end up weaning down and off it completely.ut using methadone to get high is a scary path to go down for all the reasons listed whoever's

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Clinics that let patients raise their dose to levels so ridiculously high like 300mg's + should be shut down. It's an incredible breach of ethics.

 

[opiatekrzy]

My last clinic let you increase as long as test negative for One weekly tox, let's not forget the toxes are not supervised . I got up to 130mg, until it got to the point where my family got worried I always went to bed at 4pm and breathing was all shallow as I was addicted to Xanax. It was ridicoclous . The clinic I'm in now let's you go high as you want by either 5 or 10mg increments as long as you don't test positive for cocaine or benzos , ironically if you test positive for opiates they aitomatically bump you up, at the least, and positives for Benzos or cocaine will result in a 2 month pause in your dose . I'm on 95mg and feel the same as I did on 130mg. It's all mental . Methadone is powerful , there is no reason to be above 80mg in
My opinion ...plus for me when I'm above 100mg I start to sweat profusely just over making my bed, or walking . It was ridicolus

 

[BlueHues]

Clinics that let patients raise their dose to levels so ridiculously high like 300mg's + should be shut down. It's an incredible breach of ethics.

My last clinic let you increase as long as test negative for One weekly tox, let's not forget the toxes are not supervised . I got up to 130mg, until it got to the point where my family got worried I always went to bed at 4pm and breathing was all shallow as I was addicted to Xanax. It was ridicoclous . The clinic I'm in now let's you go high as you want by either 5 or 10mg increments as long as you don't test positive for cocaine or benzos , ironically if you test positive for opiates they aitomatically bump you up, at the least, and positives for Benzos or cocaine will result in a 2 month pause in your dose . I'm on 95mg and feel the same as I did on 130mg. It's all mental . Methadone is powerful , there is no reason to be above 80mg in
My opinion ...plus for me when I'm above 100mg I start to sweat profusely just over making my bed, or walking . It was ridicolus

^This....Right on the money guys. There might be someone who needs over 100 mgs, but I've never met them!

The clinics will raise you basically as high as you want as long as you pay...It's highly suspect, and completely unethical!

There's the whole, "I need a split dose because I metabolize methadone too quickly for it to hold me 24 hours" brand of liars out there...
They give you a "peak and trough" test that supposedly can tell if you need to dose methadone twice a day...But, I don't know a single person that they've ever refused because the test came back that their "levels" were high enough! It's a scam, Pretty much everyone who merely claims the dose doesn't hold them all day can get a split dose...and the reason 98% of anyone asks for that in the first place is so they can take the 80 mgs they really need, and sell the rest off!

I'm 36, and I've weighed between 150-170 lbs since I was 15, regardless of what I eat or what I do...and when I'm on heroin, I use massive amounts of the shit IV(not dicksizing, just saying)...
80-100 mgs has held me for 24 hours regardless of how !much heroin I was on....There's no way that, that amount can hold me for a day, but some 300 lb 21 year old girl who was doing 160 mgs of oxy everyday for 2 years needs 270 mgs on a split dose? It's fucking absurd!

They have people on a higher mg methadone than the amount of oxy they were doing, and it's how many times stronger?!

I'm sorry, but it's just unbelievable that there's people out there that can't even find treatment for their severe opiate addiction, but in certain places, if you have the money...they'll raise you to a dose that could kill your whole family going back 4 generations to treat a 40mg a day hydrocodone habit!

But, I digress...opiate naive, 20-30 mgs should be the max you take, provided you've used nothing else.

 

[adder]

I met one guy at the hospital who was at 145 or 155 mg of methadone a day and that was the most I've seen here in Poland (I've heard about some people getting as much as 200mg/day in Warsaw though). But here maintenance programs are covered from public insurance, so basically every addict can access it even if they're unemployed and have no income. The capacities of programs are definitely much smaller than in Western Europe or in America, but doctors don't increase doses of methadone or buprenorphine to ridiculous amounts. The highest dose of Suboxone on my program is 16 mg and only one person gets that much. I actually owe my normal life to the doctor who works there. He partially helped me to get off methadone and he got me off clonazepam painlessly. Really, if all doctors around the world were the same, the average life span would increase a lot.

 

[BlueHues]

^I guess when profit's not involved, sanity tends to prevail..

There's some US states where methadone is completely state-run and funded, but where I'm from, all the clinics are privately owned.

 

[Ziggy stardust]

The most I was given was 140mg and I sweated like a pig...I was better off at 80mg.

 

[opiatekrzy]

When I was in withdrawl. The starting dose of 30mg killed my withdrawl and have me a mild buZ sense of well being . I was a heroin addict 7bag a day habit.. I always wondered..what if I would of stopped there? Would 30mg be sufficient enough? I agree sometimes it's better to be on a higher dose for security reasons knowing it will be a waste of money to buy dope only to feel a 3 sec rush if that ...that alone took mental cravings away.