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Opioids Opiate Dependancy

I've said my peace. Yes it's psychically possible to avoid withdrawals forever if you stick to the pattern of use where it's only once or twice a week and not on consecutive days. However..like I and everyone else have already said though.... It's not likely. Not sure if you're a betting man but... You have a better chance of winning the lottery most likley than you do of using heroin and not becoming strung out.. So, if you're cool with those odds.. Have at it.
 
Thank you all for the help. I really feel we care about each other here and i respect this forum and your replies greatly.

Please dont think less of me but I decided to give it a go after some in depth research. I will accept the consequences.
Not to make excuses but I have a way to cut myself off from access completely since I have 1 contact and do not know anybody else, any locations or any friends/family who touch drugs.
I am an aberration and not part of the scene at all with no way to get access again if i delete this number. Probably a long shot but its something at least if things go to hell.

I decided to test today as it is the safest in terms of organizing and discovery since im not sure how i will act in front of others.

I would like some HR guidance please.

What i received was called thai white but its brown and clumpy, like fudge.
After research I decided to test with a small match head sized "clump". I tried to cut it into smaller clumps, which helped a bit, its clumpy but not so sticky its impossible to separate to some extent. I snorted the smaller clumps hoping it would dissolve inside.

I feel a good buzz similar to a good dose of Kratom but with more of a butterfly in the stomach feeling (in a good way) and more euphoria/less stimulation.

Some questions:

1. I was wondering if its possible to get an idea of what type of H this is and possible best practices in nasal ROA for this type.

2. I understand I need to wait 20 minutes before increasing dosage to be safe?

4. How do i know when to stop if I dont want to nod? If i feel sleepy is that an indication of nearing that type of dose? (Yes im a total newb)

5. How big is the dose gap between nicely high and dangerous. How can i manage dosage safely by monitoring the experience itself?
I know this is difficult but I need some way to tell.

Any constructive guidance will be appreciated. I have done the research but your opinions are valued as well since there isn't really a beginners guide or clear answers to my questions online.

Thanks.
 
blight12 said:
Thank you all for the help. I really feel we care about each other here and i respect this forum and your replies greatly.

Please dont think less of me but I decided to give it a go after some in depth research. I will accept the consequences.
Not to make excuses but I have a way to cut myself off from access completely since I have 1 contact and do not know anybody else, any locations or any friends/family who touch drugs.
I am an aberration and not part of the scene at all with no way to get access again if i delete this number. Probably a long shot but its something at least if things go to hell.

I decided to test today as it is the safest in terms of organizing and discovery since im not sure how i will act in front of others.

I would like some HR guidance please.

What i received was called thai white but its brown and clumpy, like fudge.
After research I decided to test with a small match head sized "clump". I tried to cut it into smaller clumps, which helped a bit, its clumpy but not so sticky its impossible to separate to some extent. I snorted the smaller clumps hoping it would dissolve inside.

I feel a good buzz similar to a good dose of Kratom but with more of a butterfly in the stomach feeling (in a good way) and more euphoria/less stimulation.

Some questions:

1. I was wondering if its possible to get an idea of what type of H this is and possible best practices in nasal ROA for this type.

2. I understand I need to wait 20 minutes before increasing dosage to be safe?

4. How do i know when to stop if I dont want to nod? If i feel sleepy is that an indication of nearing that type of dose? (Yes im a total newb)

5. How big is the dose gap between nicely high and dangerous. How can i manage dosage safely by monitoring the experience itself?
I know this is difficult but I need some way to tell.

Any constructive guidance will be appreciated. I have done the research but your opinions are valued as well since there isn't really a beginners guide or clear answers to my questions online.

Thanks.
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its called white thai yet its brown and sticky ?

1. where do you live ? location pretty much determines what time of dope youll have. sounds like black tar heroin to me though so ill assume you live on the west coast of the US. I would just smoke it as it is the safest ROA because it hits you so fast ( faster than IV ) that its easy to gauge how intoxicated you are. If you want to snort it disolve it in a needle-less syringe and squirt it up your nose, its called water-ilneing.

2. Because you snorted a chunk of just stright tar i would wait at least 30-45 for full effects

3(4) . theres a pretty fine line between being high and nodding your ass of and an even finer line between noding and OD. Its something youll just have to personally learn over time. always start slow and work your way up. you can ALWAYS do more but NEVER do less.

4(5). answered above lol. most people dont even know there nodding. keep an eye on the clock maybe. Ive nodded out for like 2 hours and it litterly felt like I only blinked my eyes. Have a sitter if you plan on doseing any higher than you are now.


you chose to use despite our advice. But your a grown ass man so its your decision. We only tried to deture you because we dont want to see heroin claim another soul. But im glad that you chose to be smart about it and come on here for advice and direction. If your serious about using once a week than only buy enough for that one day. If you have some left over the next day your ganna do it, maybe not that day but sometime that week you WILL. Also dont break your own rules EVER, you said ONCE a week so only do it ONCE a week, no exceptions. Youll try to make up excuses of useing like "oh its my dogs birthday I have to use" or "Its the day before christmass I wanna get highhhh". Dont do it man. Thats how I went from once every 2 weeks to 2-3 times a week.
 
Sounds like black tar. If you want to snort it.. the only efficient way is to water-line it, which means to break in down in a bit of water and either snort/squirt the solution up your nose. It can also be smoked, but good smoking technique takes time to develop so you'll probably end up just wasting a lot.
 
^^ Thanks again guys.

Yes, I told him Thai White but i believe he took that as me asking for H and gave me whatever form he had.
I am located in Africa

I have slowly increased the dose over the last 4 hours, about 5 match head sized (prob a bit more) bumps.
This is only about 10% of the bag so far.

It seems however I am experiencing some annoyances like i did with Kratom which i did not expect with a proper opiate.

These would be the following, are these normal?

1. Sense of being uncomfortably warm sometimes (forehead is always wet and "clammy")
2. Sense of pent up energy in arms and legs (restlessness)
3. Trouble focusing eyes and reading
4. Dry Mouth
5. Mild anxiety
6. Mild nausea

Also are there any specific things that are specifically enjoyable on opiates when alone at home?
I get the sense i should be doing something other then what I am doing.

I am getting the feeling that i might be on a low dose where side effects are more noticeable, similar to how this also happens on meth.
For example it feels like I am on a strong Kratom dose and I know that H cannot be compared to it at all as i specifically asked this question here a while back.
I also noticed that as I increased dosage the euphoria did increase without the negatives above increasing. I just don't know how far i can push this effect.

The thing is i have no point of reference to say if i am on a low or high dose. Is there some way i can tell?
For example, when walking becomes difficult (im not there yet), what does that mean dose wise.
What can i use as a sign of a medium to high but safe dose.

I also want to avoid smoking as im sure this has kept me in line with other substances so far.

Im really trying to be smart about this but also find the sweet spot safely.

Thanks.
 
It's smart to take it slow with any unknown substance, especially heroin! By the time you've done too much, you could be unconscious and going into respiratory depression.

The first time I did heroin, I felt nausea and anxiety, I vomited. I didn't really find it that pleasurable until the 3rd or fourth time. Itchiness, claminess, euphoria are all part of it, expecially if your bodys not used to it...Take it slow
 
^ Ok that helps thanks. I am also feeling extremely tired (prob the nod i guess) but it feels like i need to fight it. Should i just embrace it? Its a bit scary

Also is there any issues or interaction with SSRI's or Seroquel?
 
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ssri should be fine but seroquel and dope is VERY dangerous. you should never mix ANY CNS depresant with ANY opiate, thats just asking for respiratory failure.

safe things that go good with dope

cigarettes
weed

and thats about it haha
 
The Dope Man said:
ssri should be fine but seroquel and dope is VERY dangerous. you should never mix ANY CNS depresant with ANY opiate, thats just asking for respiratory failure.

safe things that go good with dope

cigarettes
weed

and thats about it haha
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Yeah, to mix seroquel and heroin for somebody who's not stabilized on seroquel and taking it as prescribed, that would be true...but if you've consistently been using seroquel all along, it shouldn't be as much of a concern...But it's true, you should be that much more careful if seroquel's involved...
As far as what CH says: Cigarettes are never safe, but aren't gonna contribute to an OD, I believe....

The seroquel could also be blocking part of the high, as it affects dopamine levels....
It's an aqcuired taste really, heroin that is....But it can can fuckin kill ya! That's why, take every precaution while dosing! We don't wanna see you die!
 
Thanks!

Yes i take Seroquel daily however i ensure i skip it or its not in effect while on H as I noticed it was very unpleasant on Kratom.

^ Could you elaborate on cigs and H? Smoking on H is more enjoyable then normal however it also seems to increase the negative side effects a bit.
Would be interested in any details about issues mixing the two?
 
he was just saying cigs are dangerous overall. No special danger when combined with H.

I usually smoke 0-3 cigs a day but on opiates it more like 5-12.
 
Thanks guys, you have been very helpful!

Just one last thing. When i close my eyes it feels good but my breathing becomes wierd.
Slower and forced in some way, like ill suddenly remember to breath in and it will be light gasp of sorts.
I will also tend to hold in each breath with chest raised for a while before releasing (all this seemingly unconsciously until i notice it)

It doesnt feel bad or uncomfortable or like im out of breath or struggling, but rather when thinking about it logically it seems odd when comparing to normal slow deep breathing without pauses when relaxing and sleepy sober.

Is this normal?
How would genuine respiratory issues from H be described or is it that when you get to that point of danger are you to high to even notice?
 
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If you're consciously aware of how your body is feeling, you're not yet at serious risk of overdose... when you're far enough gone that your about to drop, you have no idea because you're just in la la land. However, if you are noticing your respiratory rate already depressing.. I do not advise you to continue dosing. There's always next time. Heroin is one of those things, like others have said, that gets better after the first few times you do it. Many people have a really unpleasant time the first taste but come back because they know it will get better.. Kinda like sex for a female virgin.. hurts in the beginning, a bit uncomfortable, but pretty soon... it becomes amazing.
 
Hi all,
I have never tried heroin, but I do have a couple of comments.
First of all, to the opening poster: I applaud your honesty and your attempts to employ harm reduction. I hope you can stick to your goals.
Second, I want to compliment everyone who has posted in this thread. You have been courteous, honest and helpful.
Although the opening poster was advised not to try this, nobody gave him or her a hard time...I guess you all could see that this person was actually seeking harm reduction advice and you delivered it beautifully.
To me, this is what bluelight is all about....to help each other use in the least dangerous way possible. Just a great example of what this community is about in general.
Cat
 
^ that's just what I was thinking reading this thread.

It's what BLs all about.

And to the OP. I've never tried H but dabbled in oxy, codeine and pst, just thought mr-scagnattie's advice about no more re-dose would be good advice to go by.

If you need something to do then chill out and listen to some relaxing music.
 
I fully agree with the above as well and thank you all for your awesome and helpful responses.
I was nervous about this post and was pleasantly surprised with the responses and I hope it will encourage others to seek advice without fear of a overall negative or unconstructive response.

The Bluelight community is certainly a blessing to us all.
 
blight12 said:
I fully agree with the above as well and thank you all for your awesome and helpful responses.
I was nervous about this post and was pleasantly surprised with the responses and I hope it will encourage others to seek advice without fear of a overall negative or unconstructive response.

The Bluelight community is certainly a blessing to us all.
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It seems like we generally get back what we put into BL. Blight, you were open and honest from the beginning, you were respectful toward others, and you participated in the thread you created.
Good communication skills, and again- a good example of how to make the most of this great forum :)
Good night, friends. Be safe.
 
You should look at this thread, it can definately answer a few of your questions.

It is very hard to dose heroin without any real prior experience with opiates as you don't know what to expect in terms of positive reactions, and symptoms of overdose. I'll add more to this post later, but check out the link I posted.
 
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