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Yup tis all good. Well apart from brimz cus he is a cunt *ahem*
Yup tis all good. Well apart from brimz cus he is a cunt *ahem*
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Opiate and opioid withdrawal: Coping strategies and medication
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amanitadine
Bluelighter
^Heheh....
Ok, day one of farkin Kratom withdrawal about over.....blegghhh. Lead suit and anxiety. But all things said, I took the dog on a walk (more like she took me), had some awkward social interactions (all) but could be muuuuuuuuch worse. Loperamide, tryptophan, valerian, doxylamine, and my meager ass Diaz script should allow for some sleep. Be glad when the first week is over. Maybe I find it so grating because unlike heroin you aren't completely debilitated clucking...but you don't feel like doing shit either, no appetite, restless, blah blah...it's an uncomfortable middle ground. I've certainly been through worse, but it is by no means fun.
Ahh well, still a square deal I say. You borrow x number of years, pay back a few weeks.
Cheers
Ok, day one of farkin Kratom withdrawal about over.....blegghhh. Lead suit and anxiety. But all things said, I took the dog on a walk (more like she took me), had some awkward social interactions (all) but could be muuuuuuuuch worse. Loperamide, tryptophan, valerian, doxylamine, and my meager ass Diaz script should allow for some sleep. Be glad when the first week is over. Maybe I find it so grating because unlike heroin you aren't completely debilitated clucking...but you don't feel like doing shit either, no appetite, restless, blah blah...it's an uncomfortable middle ground. I've certainly been through worse, but it is by no means fun.
Ahh well, still a square deal I say. You borrow x number of years, pay back a few weeks.
Cheers
mydrugbuddy
Bluelighter
Marmalade wasnt talking about you brimz, she was talking about Sam, i believe.
I often feel more safe and relaxed amongst black youths 'on the streets' and in venues than i do with simillar white groups. I remember a club in Easton in the early 1990s in thoise days it was the fashion for black 'gangsta' type geezers to wear those winter parka jackets all zipped up to the max, even on boiling hot summers days and nights.
I dunno where things stand between you and me now, maybe im pushing this far too early and should have let the dust settle for much longer. I have listened to and understood everything you have said, some of what you said was bang on the nail. I wont be whining or whinging or asking the same questions over and over again anymore, if i can help it. I did not allow my emotions to become involved, i dont mean that to sound cold and callous, but responses can be emotional or rational. I chose the latter.
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With ref to your 1st paragraph MDB, that response of Brimz's was mostly to do with something else that happened yesterday, and whether Brimz was ok or not.
Kinda from this post and down. Evey deleted one of her posts, so it might be a bit confusing to make sense of (it's quoted in one of my posts later on tho)
[edit] It's got nothing to do with Sam's posts
Kinda from this post and down. Evey deleted one of her posts, so it might be a bit confusing to make sense of (it's quoted in one of my posts later on tho)
[edit] It's got nothing to do with Sam's posts
mydrugbuddy
Bluelighter
oh sorry, i thought that he thought you were calling him louche, disrespectfull and shady. I havent woken up yet. I think its those flubros i took yesterday. Shit, now i think of that, that could be a recipe for disaster on this thread if it makes me as tactless as phenazepam did.
He was quoting me after I jokingly called him a trouble causer. The last line is about someone else, not you I dont think btw
mydrugbuddy
Bluelighter
i have been drawing up lists of reasons to stop opis, and reasons to carry on using them. One of the reasons was just to show myself that I can fucking do it, and actually master something, and that it would feel like a major achievement. Today was planned stop day but it didnt happen. *snip*.
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hangyourhead
Bluelighter
Yo Opi WD Squad, I might be getting a fairly rapid (anywhere from 7-30 days) WD off MMT. I'm a daily 70mg dose of Racemic dl-Methadone oral cherry solution, which I have been for over half a year. I have a case conference now because of my dirty UA's/urine analysis (cocaine, THC, benzos [got a benzo script, so no worries], m-amp, and heroin). I've been going to all of my groups and individual sessions with my counselor though, as well as keeping up with my payments.
I feel like I should prepare for the worst and I'm fucking TERRIFIED! I'm very sensitive to opioid WD's, let alone fucking METHADONE!
Any advice? Should I just load up on benzos, clonidine, NSAID's, and massive amounts of indicas and hash?
I feel like I should prepare for the worst and I'm fucking TERRIFIED! I'm very sensitive to opioid WD's, let alone fucking METHADONE!
Any advice? Should I just load up on benzos, clonidine, NSAID's, and massive amounts of indicas and hash?
mydrugbuddy
Bluelighter
Number one substance to obtain is loperamide. 86P for 6 at Asda. It settles the opi receptors in your guts. So you will not have to deal with diarhoea and dehydration which will make you feel much worse. Id use it for tapering, start off with as many as you need to prevent stomach upsets, and then reduce by one pill every day. Its a small thing, but helps in a very big way. Feeling dehydrated and not being able to absorb any of the nutrients from your food as it just washes straight through unabsorbed is the worst start to get off to. I find getting that sorted out to be a very good start, it doesnt make the whole process easy, but eliminates one symptom that makes things much worse.
Shambles
Bluelight Crew
Benzos will certainly help to take the edge off but beware of getting in too deep with a benzo addiction. I see you have a benzo script but I don't know where you stand in terms of being physically dependant on them. If you're not currently physically dependant on benzos you really don't want to be so try not to rely too heavily on them if at all possible.
Other than that, methadone tapering and withdrawal is basically just a slog. I don't have personal experience with methadone withdrawal specifically as I switched to Subutex for the final stages of my own MMT, but I'd imagine it's broadly similar to tapering and withdrawing from any other opioid. Also, I really don't know how this kinda stuff works over in the US in terms of what options you have available to you. The general advice given in this thread should apply wherever you are though, and the list of meds you mention should all help as will loperamide as MDB mentions. Other than that, it's the standard stuff of warm baths, a bit of exercise, and trying to eat a good, nutritious diet and maybe some extra vitamin supplements (a B vitamin complex is especially useful).
Good luck and feel free to drop in and keep us updated
mydrugbuddy
Bluelighter
I'm gonna be trying a new (for me) perspective and try quitting just for the sake of proving to myself that i can do it. I feel that this is a fundamental thing, and is all about self belief, discipline, and trying to get out of the mindset of an addict. It seems these things kind of brainwash you into continuing to take them, and you can loose your perspective (judging by some of the feedback i have received, my own insight into the thing is totally awry, i normally have decent self-insight) it can be very hard to try to brain wash yourself back in the other direction, that being addicted isnt where i want to be, and the long term prognosis of such a thing is not good.
I'll be taking it day by day, to start with, and think about longer time frames afterwards. I believe that if any one of us struggling to get off opis, succeeds in quitting and STAYING quit without relapsing, it could help others, in a kind of 'if he can do it then so can i' way, and give them some more belief, confidence and imputus to do it and succeed..
I'll be taking it day by day, to start with, and think about longer time frames afterwards. I believe that if any one of us struggling to get off opis, succeeds in quitting and STAYING quit without relapsing, it could help others, in a kind of 'if he can do it then so can i' way, and give them some more belief, confidence and imputus to do it and succeed..
Sprout
Bluelight Crew
My habit is getting out of hand, 60mgs of Morphine isn't even helping with WD. I'm at 120mg a day now, and it keeps climbing, higher and higher, and the sickness is getting worse every time.
mydrugbuddy
Bluelighter
if its reaching the stage where you're starting to see it as a problem, it may be time to see your GP, and get reffered to drugs support services.
Mental Kenny
Bluelighter
The way I rationalize withdrawals to myself, is like, for a night out on the booze or MDMA/Coke, you pay the next day very hard, so it's like one night of joy, one day of shitness. With opiods you've had your months of opiated bliss and warm insulation from the shit that is life, only fair you end up paying back a few weeks.
Eveleivibe
Ex-Bluelighter
I just want to say I'm very proud of MDB. He's quit the drugs n it hasn't been easy - so well done to him xxxx
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mydrugbuddy
Bluelighter
yeah if the habit goes too long though its like you 'forget how to live' without opis. Its been about 2 years on them for me, and i now feel quite paranoid and defensive whenever im out and about without them. Its only been 9 days though, i guess i need to get more used to 'circulating' without opis, and will gradually get a better perespective and attitude back, hopefully. Before anyone has a go at me for being soft and whinging, I am just stating the facts of how things are. I am not seeking pity or to be propped up by anyone.
I want to thank amanatindine for his warnings about kratom. I owe him a huge debt of gratitude. It was only thanks to him that i stopped the kratom within one month, and the w/ds were entirely managable at that stage. I fear it would be much worse if i had let the habit roll on for months and months. My dosage was escalating dayly. I made the mistake of ordering too much.
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Mental Kenny
Bluelighter
^Tell me about it, trust me kratom addiction is no joke, the pain of WDs is very real. It only takes ages before you get addicted though, in the beginning I could go six months of daily use and quit with no issues, after years though they become unbearable.
mydrugbuddy
Bluelighter
No issues ? So you felt entirely at ease, comfortable, confident and relaxed in any public or social settings ? I live like a fucking hermit most of the time and am something of a loner, possibly because i can feel uncomfortable in social situations.
Mental Kenny
Bluelighter
That was only after six months of daily use, with no previous opiate use. Kratom started giving me issues when quitting after a good year of constant daily use, it's very forgiving in the beginning, obviously if you're already opiod-dependent then you switch to kratom, when you eventually quit, you'll be quitting your original addiction too.