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Opiate and opioid withdrawal: Coping strategies and medication

I asked what kraton was on other drugs a while back n got bluntly told to look on google.
Hang on ive got a post here about my assignment but I'm sure i put that on gibberings. Sorry i put it on wrong thread.

Only don't apologise for being on codeine no need to apologise we will support you through it.
 
Well, we do appreciate it when members do a bit of their own research before asking questions. It means we can keep the discussion about things that could do with being discussed, and not just simple matters of fact :) wikipedia and google are there for 99% of the basics.

But, since I'm here, kratom is a plant native to SE Asia containing a variety of psychoactive chemicals which act in a variety of ways in the brain and body, including but not limited to binding to µ-opioid receptors.
 
knock said:
Well, we do appreciate it when members do a bit of their own research before asking questions. It means we can keep the discussion about things that could do with being discussed, and not just simple matters of fact :) wikipedia and google are there for 99% of the basics.

But, since I'm here, kratom is a plant native to SE Asia containing a variety of psychoactive chemicals which act in a variety of ways in the brain and body, including but not limited to binding to µ-opioid receptors.
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Hehe - I did research it after but thanks :) at the time (on another thread I was just making conversation tbh n usually asking what something is, is a good way to join in :)

But yea before I found forums I spent hours on Google looking this n that was fascinating.

Anyway, sorry I'm derailing here. Who's withdrawing n how can we help / advise you?

Evey xxxx
 
knock said:
Just as a note of solidarity, I have become dependent on kratom and my use has shot up over the "holidays".
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Oopsies. I'll skip the usual stuff cos you know it all as well as I do but sorry to hear you got caught out. It happens to... well... just about anybody if the situation and circumstance is right (or should that be wrong?). Kratom and poppies are really not my area so not got much to say on the specifics but you know you're always most welcome to make suitable use of my inbox ;)

I may even muster a reply if you're lucky :D

Good luck getting things under control again <3

(and hey, at least it wasn't the peev that caught you out like we were expecting :D)
 
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Oopsies. I'll skip the usual stuff cos you know it all as well as I do but sorry to hear you got caught out. It happens to... well... just about anybody if the situation and circumstance is right (or should that be wrong?). Kratom and poppies are really not my area so not got much to say on the specifics but you know you're always most welcome to make suitable use of my inbox ;)

I may even muster a reply if you're lucky :D

Good luck getting things under control again <3

(and hey, at least it wasn't the peev that caught you out like we were expecting :D)
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Haha I'm too shit scared of peev for that catch me out =D

I've not got much to say about it except I'm currently in a state of "need more drugs" and I'm trying not to take them ;)

I hardly drink at all these days, though, so that's a silver lining.

I have a cunning plan, though :sus:
 
is your cunning plan to switch to a milder, short acting opi like codeine ? Please share it with us if it works ? (the idea i mean, allthough you could aslo share the codeine if you want :))

I think im gonna start trialling a new mdb taper method. As you would expect its nothing like any other taper method ive ever heard of. It may not work at all, but it'll be a last resort. Shambles gave me the idea by suggesting i skip a day or 2 here and there. I was thinking of something like 1 day on 1 day off, (i know i can do one day right), then 1 day on and 2 days off (but taking each day 1 day at a time), then 1 day on 3 days off etc. Until it gets to be like once every fortnight, maybe even less often. I think i was overambitious trying to start with the nothing for 2 weeks thing:sus:

Ridiculous idea ? Maybe. I like it though, so i think it could work.
 
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You will probably like it. Listen to some smooth warm music, not hardcore hard edged punk thrash type stuff, it will sound amazing but you'll probably be feeling good anyway. What type (red vein that etc) did you order ?

Btw normal opi rules seem to apply, in as much as if you take it as many as 4 days successively you are going to be in minor w/d, feeling like shit at the end. I can only imagine that the longer it goies on the worse you would feel.

*now you know that's not allowed*
 
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Smooth, warm music? 8o

I ordered something that was sold as 'Indonesian red vein'. I have no idea whether that's just marketing bullshit, or what it means if it's true. I read it was more sedating, so that grabbed me I guess.

Good point about the potential for me to go and hooked on this. I'm expecting to be underwhelmed, but if I'm not then it's a cheap and convenient source of an opioid buzz. Hmmm...
 
kratom is made for that kind of music imo. It might work for other types of music too, but its all about the warmth imo.

Yeah its not just you that has the potential to be hooked, that applies to everyone. Keep your expectations low and they may be surpassed.

I dunno how honest the vendors are about the strains and origins of their kratom. Its not like i have an easy way of confirming it one way or the other, but i get the impression some of the vendors are honest. Like no stock of large quantities of one of their best strains, whats to stop them relabling something else ? The fact that they areent doing that helps me believe in them. If there is a ny logic to that. :\

The different strains are meant to have different effects. I cant say that ive been able to distinguish any different effects yet.

I think ive eaten more yoyghurts this week than i have in the entire rest of my life. :D
 
Yeah, there's every chance that I'll be sold what I paid for. Not that I really have much of a clue what I've paid for! It seemed to be the most expensive strain and so I went for it. Not that there was all that much difference. Still, 50g for under £20 including postage isn't a bad deal from what I read about dosages with this stuff.

I'm unsure whether to get used to kratom gradually or to just attempt a fairly hefty dose straight off. Common sense nudges me toward the former, but I have a feeling it'll be the latter. My tolerance is by no means negligible anyhow.

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I think ive eaten more yoyghurts this week than i have in the entire rest of my life. :D
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Haha! :D

Yeah, I was wondering about what kind of yoghurt I'll eat with this! It'll be my first in quite some time. Ah well, it's a far cry from the needle exchange...

Hoping this arrives tomorrow as I'm keen to experiment. I have 100 etizolam already on the way, so this is all quite exciting for me, as sad as that sounds.
 
i would suggest at least 5 teaspoons as a starter dose for someone with an opi tolerance. That should atleast give you the 'warm and fuzzies.' I wouldnt take the etiz at the same time, it may just overpower the kratom, better to take the etiz as the kratom starts to wear off, but do as you see fit obviously.

Any yougurt will do, i get the 4 pack of stawberry yogs at aldi for 99p. It works absolutely fine. Knock recommends more fruity and chunky yoghurt but that doesnt seem to be essential, its probably just a matter of finding a yoghurt you like the taste of. Doesnt even have to be yogs, it could be rice pudding, cheescake, custard etc etc. Youghurt is tried and tested and reccomended by 'everyone' maybe there is a reason, but i dont know why it has to specifically be yoghurt, but it definately reacts well and kicks in quickly. Im no biologist but i think the yog helps to get the kratom absorbed through your gut lining and into your blood stream very effectively.
 
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^ empty stomach works better. People just use yogurt as it mixes easy (unlike liquids...that powder is kinda hydrophobic and takes some work) and it masks the taste. I always just tossed and washed it....didn't mind the taste, using warm water, followed by a cuppa tea.

Damn, I'm opioid and Kratom tolerant and 5 t would give me the wobbles. Some people are more sensitive to the wobbles than others, I know folks who down 20 g at a time. Wobbles = the nystagmus and dysphoria from crossing a certain threshold...there is a ceiling effect to Kratom due to adrenergic effects of the mitragynine, it's piss poor affinity for the Mu compared to it's 7-OH counterpart, and the presence of a Mu antagonist (corynatheidine) and a few partial agonists. The adage of "less is more" hold true with Kratom. I get the best effects with about 8g, which is conveniently 1 T, depending on the grind of your leaf....going over that threshold I get more side effects. I think my opioid tolerance went down dramatically the few years I was on maintenance Kratom....duh.....haven't shot any H in a few years.....

Yeah MDB, it's nots a knockout punch, pretty gentle really, but the warmth and good mood kratom lends ya is pretty nice. ....nice enough that even after going CT from the 50g a day habit, and making it for week after week, I'm back on it. Cheap and easy, and it keeps me from other things. But, it gets old, and I'm only a few weeks into this session, so a long weekend "kick" is in order. It's funny to think of a "long weekend kick" with Kratom compared to something far more intense like H, but Kratom is seductive and while the kick isn't the worst, it's always bad enough.

Nothing a little loperamide and methoxetamine won't take care of!
 
no dysphoria experiences yet fortunately, i didnt know about the ceiling and dose curve things. Kratom seems to give me a tremor ? Is that common, (related to the adrenergic effects i guess ? ) I'm not sure if its because it makes me crave and enjoy nicotine more than usual, so im smoking more, it could well be that also.
 
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I used kratom for about a 5 year period and while I started off eating it I found out that you can get the full effect without consuming any of the powder - ie make a tea. The method I used took about a day but since I had such a habit it was simply routine.

While the method I describe is a piece of piss to carry out I don't necessarily expect anyone to even bother to read it let alone try it out. If you're anywhere as lazy as I am than taking the time to read something and process it is still more work than you probably feel like doing especially since there is nothing wrong with just eating it. However, if interested, here's how I used to do it.

My method: add 10 - 20 g of kratom powder to about a litre of boiling water (a jug with a large flat base is ideal). Give it a nice stir and then leave the jug to cool down to room temperature. It is essential not to disturb the mixture while it is cooling since you want all the kratom powder (which is really just gunk) to settle to the bottom and form a tight silt. Once it has reached room temperature carefully move it to the fridge where you again leave it until it is as cold as it is going yo get (I used to leave it over night). If you've done the procedure right then you will find that you can gently pour off the aqueous layer from the jug with very minimal disturbance of the kratom powder at the bottom. Drink the juice and discard the gunk.

Once I started doing it this way I never went back. I always had a bottle of nearly clear kratom extract in the fridge that I just took swigs from whenever.

Also, if curious as to why I seem so obsessed with cooling the mixture gradually and without disturbance, think of the kratom powder /silt as forming a crystal beneath the aqueous layer. If a mixture crystalises too quickly you will end up with lots of small crystals that are loosely aggregated together and will all break loose when you try and pour off the mixture. By doing it gradually you allow the kratom powder granules to slowly but surely line up and form essentially one giant crysral that lines the bottom of the jug /container.
 
mydrugbuddy said:
no dysphoria experiences yet fortunately, i didnt know about the ceiling and dose curve things. Kratom seems to give me a tremor ? Is that common, (related to the adrenergic effects i guess ? ) I'm not sure if its because it makes me crave and enjoy nicotine more than usual, so im smoking more, it could well be that also.
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I never got a tremor but it did leave me susceptible to headaches. I never got dysphoria as such but I did get a huge energy drop as soon as it started to wear off.
 
Swarm said:
I used kratom for about a 5 year period and while I started off eating it I found out that you can get the full effect without consuming any of the powder - ie make a tea. The method I used took about a day but since I had such a habit it was simply routine.

While the method I describe is a piece of piss to carry out I don't necessarily expect anyone to even bother to read it let alone try it out. If you're anywhere as lazy as I am than taking the time to read something and process it is still more work than you probably feel like doing especially since there is nothing wrong with just eating it. However, if interested, here's how I used to do it.

My method: add 10 - 20 g of kratom powder to about a litre of boiling water (a jug with a large flat base is ideal). Give it a nice stir and then leave the jug to cool down to room temperature. It is essential not to disturb the mixture while it is cooling since you want all the kratom powder (which is really just gunk) to settle to the bottom and form a tight silt. Once it has reached room temperature carefully move it to the fridge where you again leave it until it is as cold as it is going yo get (I used to leave it over night). If you've done the procedure right then you will find that you can gently pour off the aqueous layer from the jug with very minimal disturbance of the kratom powder at the bottom. Drink the juice and discard the gunk.

Once I started doing it this way I never went back. I always had a bottle of nearly clear kratom extract in the fridge that I just took swigs from whenever.

Also, if curious as to why I seem so obsessed with cooling the mixture gradually and without disturbance, think of the kratom powder /silt as forming a crystal beneath the aqueous layer. If a mixture crystalises too quickly you will end up with lots of small crystals that are loosely aggregated together and will all break loose when you try and pour off the mixture. By doing it gradually you allow the kratom powder granules to slowly but surely line up and form essentially one giant crysral that lines the bottom of the jug /container.
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I read your post with fascination :D

I'm wondering what your reasons are for doing this? I have been a yoghurt proponent for a long time, and I still take it that way, cos it works, but now I've found that if I put my kratom powder in orange and raspberry Tropicana, preferably at room temperature, and let the powder get well sodden, it's very easy to drink the resulting soup. And it works, and tastes not bad at all. Does the tea/extract you produce taste a lot less awful?

I've also developed a very rapid poppy tea procedure. I have a smoothie maker, which is really just a big jug blender with a tap at the bottom. I clean my pods and stow the seeds away, and dump them in the jug, then I add water at just below 70°C (but above 63°C to conform with health and safety legislation :D), a dash of lime juice (for flavour, but I'm also imagining the acidity helps capture the goodies) and blend away for a few minutes. Then I pour the soup through into a caffetière, let it sit for a few minutes, press the plunger down and pour the liquid out through a strainer into a large steel measuring cup. I add some honey (or a couple of teaspoons of sugar if I've not got any honey), give it a stir, and by that time the temperature is down to a chuggable level. Takes about 20 minutes tops. It's a noisy process, so I only do this before 10pm. If it's late at night I have to get the old French coffee grinder out, which is hard work. My hands always end up bleeding if I leave it too late to get the robot action on.

Sorry this is the coping strategies thread, not the get fucked faster thread :)
 
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Not had any Poppy Tea since 2am on Friday, took a pitiful dose of codeine (240mg) last night just to ease the WD and allow me to sleep but... nil poi.
 
Swarm said:
I used kratom for about a 5 year period and while I started off eating it I found out that you can get the full effect without consuming any of the powder - ie make a tea. The method I used took about a day but since I had such a habit it was simply routine.

While the method I describe is a piece of piss to carry out I don't necessarily expect anyone to even bother to read it let alone try it out. If you're anywhere as lazy as I am than taking the time to read something and process it is still more work than you probably feel like doing especially since there is nothing wrong with just eating it. However, if interested, here's how I used to do it.

My method: add 10 - 20 g of kratom powder to about a litre of boiling water (a jug with a large flat base is ideal). Give it a nice stir and then leave the jug to cool down to room temperature. It is essential not to disturb the mixture while it is cooling since you want all the kratom powder (which is really just gunk) to settle to the bottom and form a tight silt. Once it has reached room temperature carefully move it to the fridge where you again leave it until it is as cold as it is going yo get (I used to leave it over night). If you've done the procedure right then you will find that you can gently pour off the aqueous layer from the jug with very minimal disturbance of the kratom powder at the bottom. Drink the juice and discard the gunk.

Once I started doing it this way I never went back. I always had a bottle of nearly clear kratom extract in the fridge that I just took swigs from whenever.

Also, if curious as to why I seem so obsessed with cooling the mixture gradually and without disturbance, think of the kratom powder /silt as forming a crystal beneath the aqueous layer. If a mixture crystalises too quickly you will end up with lots of small crystals that are loosely aggregated together and will all break loose when you try and pour off the mixture. By doing it gradually you allow the kratom powder granules to slowly but surely line up and form essentially one giant crysral that lines the bottom of the jug /container.
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Interesting. Is this kraton legal then? Is it similar to opiates?
 
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