Opioids Opana binge withdrawal?

[LittleWorried]

Here's my question:

I've had substance abuse starting around April 2010 w/ Vicodin 7.5s which over the course of 9 months became Oxycodone where my tolerance was around 20mg (maybe even less) and I've been clean since late December or early January with a few slip-ups.

Then I did something completely stupid because I could no longer get Oxys or Vicodin so let's just say I found a bottle of Opana IR 5mg. For about 2 weeks, I was snorting them. I started off at 5mg a day. My last dosage was 40mg. When I finally came to my senses and TRULY realized I was going to OD (I also take 5mg, tapering 1mg every 2 weeks and SNRIs), I stopped. Two days ago. I did not run out, I just knew my I was screwing my life up. I remember waking up the next day in complete fear and the beginnings of detox withdrawal. Day number two, same thing. It was mainly anxiety and depression rather than physical symptoms. I knew this is what I wanted to be last use of opiates but opiates were the only 'anti-depressant' that made me feel like a normal person so I was mainly fearing that those AMAZING nights when I snorted the Opana, I'd never had back. The next day, I found 15mg of oxycodone and took it. I don't remember it helping or not but I forced myself to sleep with some wicked nightmares.

Today sucked. I slept a lot. There's a lot of anxiety, major depression, muscle weakness, oddly enough my bowels haven't been bothering me yet. The thing is it doesn't feel like the first time I cold turkey detoxed Vicodin and Oxys. It feels LESS severe and I know they say Opana has horrible withdrawal. I'm probably speaking way too soon but I was wondering if two weeks of a potent opiate would really count as a binge, or a "semi-binge".

I just wanted to add the reason I'm not in rehab is because I've called many different clinics and said my dosage of Klonopin was too high and they would have to do a rapid detox at their center. No way. That's barbaric. I also didn't want to be put on suboxone. I asked my doctor for Clonodine a while back AFTER I detoxed the vicodin but he said it didn't make sense.

Please, no judgments. I'm trying to get some insight/knowledge so I know what I'm potentially going to be dealing with. My biggest fear is always having that feeling of Opana on my mind and not having a balanced life.

 

[velocity92c]

I'm in a similar position as you.. kicked an Oxy habit for about 6 months with the help of Suboxone but recently began using Opana, except my habit was much worse than yours. I STARTED at about 40mg a day minimum and worked my way up to doing almost 3 40's in a 3 hour period.

I just stopped less than 24 hours ago and woke up sick as a dog this morning, but I have 8mg of suboxone I plan to do a rapid taper with this week, roughly 1mg a day for a week. After that I'm just going to cold turkey through the rest of it without the help of anything else. I'm surprised you haven't hit intense withdrawal symptoms yet, but you should feel very lucky.

 

[LittleWorried]

I'm in a similar position as you.. kicked an Oxy habit for about 6 months with the help of Suboxone but recently began using Opana, except my habit was much worse than yours. I STARTED at about 40mg a day minimum and worked my way up to doing almost 3 40's in a 3 hour period.

I just stopped less than 24 hours ago and woke up sick as a dog this morning, but I have 8mg of suboxone I plan to do a rapid taper with this week, roughly 1mg a day for a week. After that I'm just going to cold turkey through the rest of it without the help of anything else. I'm surprised you haven't hit intense withdrawal symptoms yet, but you should feel very lucky.

I think I would be dead if I started at 40mg of Opana a day- being on 5mg of Klonopin. In fact, now that I haven't taken them and they haven't been screwing up my judgment, I'm terrified by what I was doing. The only time I was remotely worried was when I started to come down my breathing became shallow but I think that was just anxiety- thinking I was OD'ing or something. I'm lucky they're all gone! Amazing high, had some of the best nights of my life but if I had more, I would have kept using until I OD'd.

As far as suboxone goes, I'm really toughing it out. I don't want that in my system. I've been through benzo withdrawal before and I know what hell is. In fact, the benzo withdrawal is what lead me to taking to Vicodin. Before I was prescribed benzos, I made good decisions, I was in college, 4.0 GPA. You think you'd be making a good judgment call to get help for a minor anxiety problem. Ha. My life is entirely 'd right now. I'm actually tapering benzos now, while I'm CTing opiates. People may ask what the hell is wrong with me. I dunno.

Anyway, at least I know I'll never get my hands on Opana again. That was a RARE occasion and they were pretty old. While it was an amazing high and I'm not going through the trouble and financial stress finding more. I wonder if I'll always be chasing it. I never IV'd, won't do it so the bioavailability was half of what I could have doing.

Like I said, the only thing that scares the hell out of me is trying to get my life back. I'm not a long time user of opiates, I screwed up with the Opana for sure but maybe there is hope.

 

[OpanaMound]

If you need help getting off opana I have a lot of different remedies that work very well, some which do and some which do not include subs

 

[muvolution]

Kicking Opana is fairly easy... Just have a week's worth of doses left when you quit. It gets out of your system fairly easily, etc...
Day 1. No opiates at all. the point here is to go into complete withdrawal.
Day 2. or late in day 1, you will crack, so take just enough Opana to get relief, do NOT use more than you need to feel OK. Wat longer than you normally would to re-dose, and try to re-dose at half of what you dosed at originally
Day 3. Start going Cold-Turkey, and wait as long as you possibly can, then use just enough, which should be less than day 2.
Keep going like this, but throwing in more completely CT days, eventually you will be off

 

[DwnSouthPillPopper]

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[Tryptamite]

willpower is the key. u just need the strenght to continue and to not take opiates. u are lucky in a way, not having access to opiates means that temptation isnt there for you. also your bing hasnt been going on that long so i see no reason why u shouldnt succeed. chin up guy!!

a word of advice - one detox at a time. by tapering benzos at the same time as kicking opana u are just giving yourself more hardship than neccessary. please if u need 5mg klonopin to stop benzo WDs, take 5mg. i would even tell u to take a little more than neccessary if u feel u need to ease the opana WD.
You can finish your klonopin taper when u are over the opiate withdrawals. im sure most people here would agree with me.

 

[mrflowers00]

it has more to do with the opana making you feel euphoric and relaxed and suddenly losing that feeling than it has to do with withdrawals but you are more than likely experiencing subtle withdrawals.

 

[baschoen]

Sounds like very minute withdrawals... not to minimize your issue but the dose you were taking was very small. It shouldn't cause much withdrawal at all what you are feeling are psychological symptoms.

I just came off an opana binge where I was doing 40mg a day minimum. Gave me a sinus infection. Be careful with the ER's.

 

[Znegative]

yes it sounds like you're lucky. I've gotten addicted to opana within day's, and the W/D is so much worse compared to everything except maybe heroin. I feel opana w/d though is much more desperate because when you at the point where you're shooting 10 mg as your tolerance dosage, you know that you're going to have to start a big heroin habit to make up for it, and forget about oxy. With sniffing it's the same, I believe that 10 mg opana insufflated is like 5 shot, so it still sucks. It's a very potent drug, and hopefully you learned your lesson with it. I would never advise anyone to switch over to opana if they had an oxy tolerance of say 60 mg a day, because opana would fuck it up so quickly that there'd be no going back. This is a drug that litterally makes heroin a baby BITCH. In fact, I believe that in the United States, Oxymorphone is one of the top three strongest pharmaceutical opioids that are available, the others being methadone and fentanyl, but I could be wrong. it definately is one of the strongest.

As for W/D goes, Opana also unfortunately has a relatively long half life of 7-9 hours, which i always found weird because I'd need to fix up at least 4-5 times a day (that's with shooting, for all the sniffers out there). This means that planning on switching to subs for w/d detox or maintenance is a real bitch, and the first time I did it, I got REALLY BAD precipitated withdrawal. Then even after words, for day's I had other w/d symptoms that bupe usually takes care of for me, such as cold sweats, horrible depression and anxiety.

Plus if you're shooting this stuff without a micron filter (like I did) prepare for some pretty uncomfortable pulmonary repercussions when your stash runs out. I had bronchitus for two weeks, and god knows what else is now going on down there that I don't know about.

 

[etard7007]

oxymorphone is a hell of a drug. if you arent experiencing bad withdrawals it is probably, like some already said, self induced anxiety about it.

im so addicted to the stuff. Im to the point where I IV 25-30mg at a time... with that said, i get a GREAT rush and decent nod from 10mg, even 7.5mg. but if i want that awesome feeling like im being hit by a train in my legs as it slowly creeps up my spine until it culminates into a gentle explosion of euphoria in my head followed by a 2 hour nod i have to get a big dose.

with that said, i rarely do doses that high, as i only have so much prescribed and ive gone through too many times of 1 week withdrawals because i ran out early from banging like theres no tomorrow. and im sick of it. ill usually do 2 shots a day, 15mg and 10mg.

in fact im in withdrawal from the stuff right now IM FUCKING DYING. the withdrawal is so awful. i havent had anything in about 48 hours. im waiting for the damn pharmacy because i refill today, they have 146 of my 150 opana IRs and they told me not to come for 2 more hours until the truck is unloaded with my fucking 4 pills that i could care less ab. and 2 hours takes forever in this state of w/d, anxiety and depression.

i have noticed that opana can build a tolerance and dependence VERY quickly. but if you taper correctly its really easy to get off... but without a taper, just cold turkey, you'll want to kill yourself. i doubt two weeks will cause you much discomfort. ive been on the stuff for about 7 months for my severe nerve damage in my right arm... im having these awful w/d's because of this, i doubt you have anything to worry about after just 2 weeks of use.

but i am right there with you like most opiate users that its the one "anti-depressant" that makes you feel like a normal person. opana really is a bag drug to get into its one of the strongest opies out there. i cant say for certain but you will probably reminisce about it for a while but youll get over it eventually. i gave up drinking, benzos, and ecstasy and im great now i dont think of any of it. i would just suggest you stay away from the stuff you dont want to get to the point where im at. this mental and physical pain isnt worth it. i want off of these opiates so badly but i have no choice my pain is so bad. :/

 

[FPU4eva]

im on suboxone maintance and if i could ever find opana id probably relapse, but at least i wouldent withdrawl gotta love sub for that

 

[etard7007]

ok, so heres something that JUST happened to me. as i stated in my post above, i had been in withdrawal for about 2 days... well not exactly, my doses for 2 days have been so low that i was withdrawing significantly. i have learned something great from all of this though.

while the withdrawal from opana is one of the worst, it is VERY easy to taper from, easier than other opiates surprisingly. i basically tapered not meaning to.

as it neared the last week of my prescription until my refill i realized that i had used a few here and there too many. this forced me to restrict my doses until today. i began dropping to 12.5mg shots, then 10mg, then 7.5mg, then i really backed myself into a corner because i took one to many 7.5mg shots because it was a dose where i felt a minimal, fairly pleasant, rush and knew going lower would be painful and do nothing but barely keep withdrawal away. then i had only 1 shot of 5mg. then i was in such a corner that i was forced to shoot only 2.5mg every 12-18 hours for about 1.5 days... this measly dose made me feel nothing although relieved my symptoms for about 2 hours. then yesterday i had my LAST dose of 2.5mg at 4am...

those days of 5mg and 2.5mg were very shitty although they were nowhere near the withdrawal i have felt with absolutely NOTHING. today i finally got my prescription filled at 12pm. so i had had no opiates for about 32 hours... although i would consider it more like 2-3 days because half a 5mg Opana IR is so useless with my ridiculous tolerance.

now heres the awesome part. right before i took my shot with my new prescription at noon, i strangely realized i didnt feel that bad, almost like i had kicked the stuff from that taper (again i didnt plan a taper to quit, rather it was forced b/c i had no other option).

normally i would have taken the opportunity and just QUIT. but alas, i still have tremendous pain, so at least i know if or when the pain subsides i know how to kick it relatively easily.

however, at least now my tolerance is WAY down. I decided to prep up and IV 10mg thinking it was a good safe dose mostly to make my still slight withdrawal go away and because i didnt know how much my tolerance had lowered, you know didnt want to go overboard.......

but, HOLY SHIT. the rush was so intense i laid down and was engulfed by this really overpowering feeling and nodded really hard... then all of the sudden i woke up and its 2:30pm. i never thought i could nod that hard from 10mg... i should have taken a 5-7.5mg shot shhiit!

so this just shows you that you really shouldn't worry. a two week binge you can easily kick it without much discomfort. i am amazed that it only took a week for the oxymorph junkie that i am to pretty much kick it feeling awful but not THAT bad. the key is to make your dosing times further apart each day and a lower dose each time until you get the absolute minimum dose that will do NOTHING, no high or euphoria, except that it is enough to keep withdrawal away. then keep spacing that out. it basically allows the body to withdrawal some between each dose slowly.

 

[LittleWorried]

Thanks for all the insight guys. The physical withdrawal really wasn't too bad. The only problem now are the desperate cravings. I even miss the scent as crazy as that sounds. I dream about it pretty much every night. I can already tell I'll need some major willpower to continue with my benzo withdrawal without that sense of stability and happiness.

 

[Mora Fiend]

Best of luck with that man, keep yourself clean. Opana tolerance and addiction develops very quickly, I have detoxed off a few binges in the area of 100+ mgs a day and can tell ya that the physical stuff does get better after 72 to 96 hours. The mental stuff will still bother you but you sound like you have enough sense to get yourself through it.

I don't have much benzo withdrawl experience but this thread should help a bit:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=430762

Good luck man, stay clean.

 

[blazelate]

I am in a similar position. I found a huge bottle of opana 10 ir. I never used opiates much before. Went on some binges and went holy shit, this stuffs powerful..! I gave them to my roommate but I'm such an asshole I went and found them. Still have like ten. Trying to save them for lazy Sundays. Such an awsome drug, its scary. I get sick like everytime on them too, does that mean I'm doing too much?

 

[LittleWorried]

I am in a similar position. I found a huge bottle of opana 10 ir. I never used opiates much before. Went on some binges and went holy shit, this stuffs powerful..! I gave them to my roommate but I'm such an asshole I went and found them. Still have like ten. Trying to save them for lazy Sundays. Such an awsome drug, its scary. I get sick like everytime on them too, does that mean I'm doing too much?

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.

 

[SloWRX]

Man, opana wd is literally the devil's work. I used to take 20mg ER's 7x a day, everyday for the past 4 months and I just stopped cold turkey 3 days ago and these past 3 days have been pure HELL. I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy. The depression for me is the worst, I'm a MMA fighter and have been training for a little over a year, but I've been crying like a lil bitch from the depression over the littlest thing and memories. Everyone that's stopping opana, may God bless you! No type of high for me is worth the wd phase. I don't have any advice other than get yourself some sleeping pills and some aleve because you will NOT be sleeping and you WILL be in pain. It's the end of day 3 for me and I'm literally dry-crying from happiness! Finally feeling 70% my normal self and NEVER EVER plan on taking opana in my life. Opana makes hydro's and oxy's look like baby aspirin. Best of luck to everyone and please kick this nasty demon spawn habit. It has already thorn my family apart and I know they will never trust me again so please do it for the people you love.

 

[mojomojo]

I tried a piece, and I mean a piece of an 40mg Opana once. Snorted it before school and man was I flyen all day... It just blows other opiates out of the water.. I mean, oxycodone is stronger than hydrocodone, and oxymorphone, well... that's what Opana is and it just sounds insane. It seems even stronger than dope..

 

[OntarioGuy]

I'd love to shoot some oxymorphone,must suck dealing with that gelly time release the ER version has.

I love IV hydromorphone and I heard this feels similar,better even.

Can someone who has experience with high IV doses of both compare the two drugs for me?

I shoot 12-24 mg's of hydromorphone at a time,12 mg's gives me a really good rush,24 mg's gives me an incredible "This is what heaven must be like" type rush.Compared to these doses and the feelings I've described,what kind of dose of oxymorphone would produce the same feeling?

Thanks,

OG