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Opioids Opana AFTER Bupe

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Hey!
I've found a lot of discussions about taking bupe (Suboxone) after an Opana run, but I haven't been able to find any advice on taking Opana after using bupe. Here are my questions:
How long do you think I'd have to wait after the last bupe dose to not waste the Opanas? I take 4 mg/day generic Subutex. Do I need to wait until I feel sick, or is twenty-four hours sufficient?
Also, I only have two 20 mg. tabs - you can understand that I don't want to waste them. It's been many years since I've been able to find a vein, so IV is out. Besides, with only two tabs, I'm loath to try, for the first time, any of the ingenious methods folks have come up with to defeat the binder. What would you suggest, in terms of both dosage and method, for my situation? In the past, I've found I can obtain a decent effect from 120 to 160 mg. oral dose of MS-Contin twenty-four hours after bupe. I've had good luck plugging 16 - 20 mg. of dilaudid (hydrochloride), but that is cold-shakable. I've not tried that with any binder type pills.
Thanks!
 
for dosing:
check the opiate conversion chart on here {BL} and find the equivalent dose of ms contin to oxymorphone/opana and take that waiting at least 24 hours.
if youll feel it that soon after a 4mg? maybe depends on the person
24 hrs for me is sufficient ... but i am on a lower dose of bupe.
obviously the longer u wait the less blocking the bupe is gonna do... but i doubt u gotta wait till ur actually sick, oxymorph is a very potent opiate. a starting dose is only like 2-3mg for intolerant people soo hopefully unless you fucked up ur tolerance like me 40 is sufficient
id snort them if possible...but if theyre the new opanas maybe thats out of the question. i know the new OPs in the states have long and painful extraction methods that dont even really defeat the time release...not sure if this is equally as big of a pain in the ass. i am pretty sure oral BA is less than intranasal BA....so u wont be getting as much out of them orally. though they last longer that way im sure. anyway i have no idea how to defeat the time release on the new ones. but if its an old one- just snort :)
 
It really varies wildly. Some people get full effects 24h after a 4mg dose of buprenorphine and some need 2-3 days. You should feel a substantial amount of it at minimum after 24h but we can't know if that'll be more in the 50% ballpark or 100% and I have no idea what percentage of decreased effects you'd consider wasting the oxymorphone.

It also depends on what kind of doses of opioids you used before the bupe. 4mg of bupe is roughly equivalent to the agonism of 30mg methadone. If you were taking doses of full agonists below this level, the buprenorphine may have increased your tolerance so it may not be blockade that reduces the expected effects, but an increase in tolerance. Conversely, if you were using heroic doses of full agonists prior to going onto buprenorphine, be careful because your tolerance may have dropped quite a bit.

I apologize that I couldn't be more precise but this is highly variable and anyone offering you precise responses is speaking from their experience and not representative of the collective experiences I've read on here discussing this topic for years.
 
I certainly appreciate that YMMV. I guess I'm wondering which administrative route might be best. The Wikipedia suggests that BA is:

10% (oral) 40% (Intranasal) 100% (IV, IM)

livetheopiatedream suggests that preparation for insufflation might be a problem with US made tabs. Can anyone confirm or deny this? I've read elsewhere on this site that one need simply to scrape the coating and crush. If the BA is indeed 4X the oral dose, it would seem snorting would be the way to go.
Would plugging get you anywhere? It seems to me that, since it will gel anyway, plugging wouldn't make much difference. But, I have been wrong before....
 
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if u have the old opana u will know right away cuz u can crush them like u would any pill. otherwise itll just squish and not break apart at all. assuming u have the old one. then just snort :)

the new ones are impossible for IV ... i hear there are some sketchy methods but i would never attempt any of them they sound dangerous as hell. if i had an older one id IV it, but i shoot sooo yeah, and its NOT safe to IV pills and im not suggesting u do it, just snort it, and if you are b sure to use cold water and a micron filter.
 
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Well, I scraped and crushed it. I would assume it's new, as it has come from a recent prescription, but it powdered quite nicely. It was much more difficult to scrape than I've found MS-Contin to be.
I snorted most of a 20 mg. pill, (my nose began to plug-up), and I feel wonderful! I'm going to crack a cold beer and see if that helps, although I'm guessing that pertains more to oral dosing. Am I correct about that? Well, it can't hurt!
 
Is it shaped like an octagon? Those are the original ones—probably what you had if it crushed like that. I personally never really liked Opana..though I hear it's great insufflated. I IV'ed it a couple times and the rush was weak, nowhere near the level of IV hydromorphone.
 
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