djsim said:
Ya know what, rentmitchum has a point to an extent. Science has been wrong before
Thanks for getting the point.
I am on topic, william. I don't know why it's hard to 'get', and I don't usually go on message boards acting like a jerk right off the bat. I just see so many people telling other people "it's placebo and nothing else because I read on wikipedia that it wouldn't work".. I was just making an analogy. The analogy was saying that science is wrong.. a lot.. until they get it right.. and even then, further evidence to support a new conclusion can be taken into effect to change the accepted conclusions. That's the scientific method. It allows new data to change conclusions. If you cling to old conclusions without considering new data.. well.. that's called "faith" lol..
Several people, experienced drug users, are presenting new data. This new data is "I felt high on loperamide".. Most are saying it's placebo and can't be anything else. Now, that could be considered the simplest explanation, but why is that more simple than "a small amount is making it to the brain and acting centrally"? To me, it's not any more simple, elegant, or satisfying to call it placebo. Most people who take the trouble to register on a forum about drugs use a lot of drugs. Most of us have had placebo effect happen to us at least once, and usually it's a pretty light effect.. maybe a slight dizzyness in the head, the happiness of anticipation, I mean I know what it feels like. After a thread on edot I smoked Moth Mullein, felt decent effects the first time, and the second time I got nothing. Same with dagga. This loperamide however.. I've 3 times got significant physical effects. You can call me stupid or whatever you wanna do, but I tried it again tonight. I mean, I went #2 this morning sorta like normal, so I figure why not. To me, like others said, it's not any more constipating than any other opiate.. Maybe slightly less than poppy pods.
anyway, from here on out I'm not gonna argue whether or not it's placebo. I am an experienced drug user and I can get a pretty nice buzz from 2 percocet usually, but codeine doesn't usually do much of anything, further evidence against placebo effect. I fully expect codeine to work every time but for whatever reason it never seems to be any good for me unless I have a lot.. even then it usually is just a crazy amount of itchies.. lol
So yea.. I just counted that I have 24 left in my first bottle.. I had 66 last night, so I used 42 today, 30 the day before. So yea.. lemme get this straight..
Ok, today at about.. 2 pm (yesterday now technically) I took about 20 or so, so 40 mg's.. Then about an hour later I took another handful. I took 84mg's of loperamide all together. By about 10 o'clock, I had a numb itchy face again and I felt like I overdid it. 84 mg's was actually somewhat too strong for me. It was uncomfortable around 10 pm.. Around like 5 pm or so I was feeling really good. I think when the second handful kicked in, I started to feel nauseous, and I usually don't get nauseous from traditional opiates unless I overdid it. I don't mean 'agh my stomach is cramped' nauseous, I mean nauseous just like I get from regular opiates, like I could throw up if moved around too much. Right now I still feel somewhat opiated. Cigarettes felt good and smoked easy, which usually only happens for me on alcohol or opiates.. I think I mentioned that before.. I feel a lot like I do on tramadol.. I've never tried fentanyl or anything structurally similar to loperamide if I was going to compare it. I'd say it's a lot like tramadol though, but maybe a little better. Maybe a cross between tramadol and oxycodone.. It's not really sedating, but there's a definite effect in the head I identify with opiates.. it seems like each time I've done this though, by the end of the night I've felt the traditional sleepy effects. Like I said though, around 10 pm I felt pretty fucked up. I felt really way too opiated and I didn't have an appetite all day. I don't think it was an effect of the intestinal slowing.. I think it was an effect of opiation/nausea from overdoing it on opiates.. I'm never hungry on opiates. I went all day, from like noon until 11 without eating. I realized maybe I was feeling sick because I hadn't ate and had all that medicine, so I ate something and I felt sorta sick for a little while after I ate it, like I feel sick when I eat after drinking pod tea, but I'm ok now. It's 3:30 here now, so it's about 12 hours after my first handful probably kicked in.. this stuff lasts a long time, if we're assuming it isn't placebo. I still feel pretty good from it.. Today is the first day I didn't smoke blends (like spice gold, etc) in weeks.. and it's actually because I didn't feel the need to, I could have but I just didn't feel like it. Usually marijuana or the blends will overshadow an opiate high, and plus when I got home I felt like I was breathing somewhat shallow.. I considered smoking to get my appetite back but.. nah.. I didn't wanna be higher than I was.
Note, I didn't take cimetidine today, and while I had 12 more pills than I had yesterday, it feels significantly stronger. While this has been enjoyable each time I tried more than 20 mg's, I would NOT take more than the 84 mg's I had today. I'm not kidding, I felt like my breathing was too slow and my face is a little number than I like. I keep wiping my forehead because it feels weird.. my eyebrows are really itchy but not as itchy as codeine or oxy is for me..
So yea, I apologize for acting like a jerk.. and yea, I lied, I ended up coming back to this topic. This is interesting to me, lol.. I was in a pretty sour mood earlier when I came on here. I had just argued on the phone with my girlfriend.. but yea.. I'm not gonna keep arguing about whether or not it's placebo. There's no way for me to prove to you it isn't. From this point on, my role in the topic will be to report my effects and hopefully people won't be quoting my post and making fun of me. I think what set me off is, a majority of the posts are mocking in nature. That's not scientific, it's rude.. Really rude.. plus, I didn't read this entire topic yet, but I can see that sp0r already sorta proved my point. Even in THIS topic, we have some jackass saying that poppy seed tea is placebo. Almost everyone knows it isn't now, but less than 3 years ago, people on lycaeum and edot would make fun of people saying it worked and each one was SO sure of themselves..
Ok, I can see it's going to be hard not to argue with people about it, but I'll try my best not to if people can just be respectful and not be RUDE to me for trying to report my effects. If it's placebo, it's a kickass placebo effect, and I wish I could get it from taking something like vitamin C or something. I think my ideal dose might be around 70 mg's, but this time I think I'm actually going to take that break I said I was going to take yesterday.. haha.. I mean, my bowels probably need it.. I have a laxative I can take if things are shitty (or arent, hah) but I don't think I'll need it. I don't seem to go #2 that abnormally on this stuff. I got slight stomach cramps upon waking and moving around a bit this morning, but I get worse ones from poppy tea.
Oh, and last night laying in bed, I take 3 mg melatonin every night for sleep, that might have something to do with it, but something about the loperamide was making me have weird sorta CEVs.. like.. they were really pronounced. I can only describe them sorta like a plasma.. like.. a lava lamp.. blobs of .. color moving around on my eyelids or something. I've got that same effect before on other drugs but I don't remember which ones.. I don't think it's something that normally happens on opiates for me though. Maybe it was the combination of it with the melatonin or vitamin b6 in my melatonin pill..
So that's all I'll type for now, it's already like.. a short novel. Again sorry for being inflammatory in my first 2 posts, but I felt like people were being unnecessarily rude (and most of them will continue to be) but I'll try to ignore it from here on out and just report my effects. Then I'll at least be helpful to people who are actually interested in it and not just wanting to make poop or placebo jokes.