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Opioids On the (Not) Unusual Cornucopia of "New Oxy" Threads

Swiss Banker

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Browsing randomly through the literal cornucopia of "New Oxy" attack threads, one comment rather insistently demanded my attention. I hope the original author will forgive what must by necessity must be a lossy paraphrase from memory:

You know, I never had any desire to abuse Oxys before Purdue invented the OPs.

After a long Bluelight posting hiatus, my reaction to the number of Bluelight threads pertaining to the new formula and the seemingly singular focus of these posts ("Defeat, defeat DEFEAT!") probably mirrors that of many merely casual Oxy users of convenience who couldn't really be bothered once things got even remotely difficult. More directly: "Why the hell bother?" Surely there were enough alternative sources for OxyContin (or opiate based painkillers in general) on the market of an instant release nature (whether designed that way or not) to sate the market's thirst for a class of opiates that had endured Phase III trials? It actually takes very little reflection to identify the appeal here-- so much so that the more conspiratorially minded demographic of Bluelighters might wonder after some degree of intentionality herein. Or not.

The most interesting secondary observation that struck me on reading the several hundred replies to various "New Oxy" threads was that users who had lighted on a particular administration method had very little desire to switch- even in the face of greater "costs."

There are of course cultural and taboo barriers over and above drug use in general along the continuum between oral administration, insulfating, smoking, rectal administration and inter-venous administration. It is often said of heroin, for example, that it wasn't until street purity rose enough to permit the kids in the suburbs to snort it effectively that the drug "took off" again after the so called "Vietnam Spike." I've heard this blamed on Frank Lucas' direct importation of Golden Triangle Heroin from Thailand, but the timing is difficult to reconcile considering that Lucas was sentenced to 70 years in 1976, and though he only served 5, it seems pretty clear he was no longer involved in the trade in any real way in 1981. Yet if you believe the Office of National Drug Control Policy in the United States, between 1983 and 1993 the purity of street heroin bought in quantities of a gram or less nearly doubled from 22% to 42%. (A bioavailability of 50-60% via insulfation versus 30% orally no doubt contributes). For the more Tipper Goresque among you, perhaps the movies "Trainspotting" and "Pulp Fiction" are the more likely cause for the drug's resurgence.

While this explains a sort of barrier to entry (if you will excuse the pun) between insulfation and rectal or inter-venous use, it doesn't explain the resistance of insulfators of Oxy to oral administration (in the form of the many chewing, juice, tea, coke, and other solvent solutions that reportedly result in 90%+ API recovery into a liquid form). Why, in short, do people love sniffing the stuff so much over drinking impregnated orange juice (for example) that they would endure multi-day, Dremel, Pedi-Pet, microwave-freezer methodologies that feature manually complex and intensive grinding procedures as prerequisites? The answer, I suspect, says a lot about the nature of opiate addiction, the power of social networking and why the goals of anti-abuse engineers are entirely unrealistic.

The reality, I suspect, is that both the repetition and actual process of the ritual of preparation mandated by anti-abuse technologies only strengthens the psychological connection between user and drug. In this context one might see, for example, High Tea as a complex delivery methodology for flavored water and fractional portions otherwise substandard sandwiches. Both the popularity of the High Tea ritual (and its exorbitant price in the more ritual intensive establishments offering the service) suggest the importance of ritual as a component here. As an aside, this revelation has prompted me to explore funding a start-up "Opium Tea House," though regulatory due diligence has so far been discouraging.

In this connection, Purdue is an interesting company, not just because it is structured as a private organization and tends to be secretive (it has one of the sparsest inventories of SEC filings of any firm its size in the United States, for example), but because of the means they chose to implement anti-abuse. Am I giving the marketing and research group at Purdue too much credit if I posit that Purdue designed their anti-abuse OP pills with just the sort of deterrents that would prevent novice users (those who had not yet made the psychological association between preparation rituals and the effects of the opiate, and, suspiciously, the type most likely to be younger, and suffer ignorance related overdoses) from trying the drug, but not require a shift from established administration routes- except perhaps in the case of IV users (which the company has likely identified as at high risk for lawsuit prompting overdoses or other after-effects of serious usage)?

But this only occurs to me because all you have to do is look at Bluelight to see that, like software piracy, once one clever Bluelighter figures it out (and given the level of chemistry knowledge I've already seen openly displayed), that's the ballgame (and also why Bluelighters should stop whining about the multitude of New Oxy threads).

Anyhow, if I were Purdue, that would certainly be the way I designed anti-abuse R&D programs.

But that's probably just because I'm an evil fucker.
 
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to give a real short answer to the sniffing part: i loved the process of breaking down a pill and snorting it, as simple as that. fuck in rehab i was snorting my clonodine just to snort something.
 
to give a real short answer to the sniffing part: i loved the process of breaking down a pill and snorting it, as simple as that. fuck in rehab i was snorting my clonodine just to snort something.

that seems like a waste since you are only getting 0.2 MG per pill of the active ingredient (that's the dose I was given while I was in detox).
 
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i would save them, take 1mg and would pass out. like i said it was more for the effect of snorting something than anything eles
 
This was very eloquently written and the thought forms You wrote about are very interesting. I have been thinking in the same lines for a while and am glad to have read this post.

The route of administration is on the line of what you wrote, and it seems like it's not only about availibility or money. Of course, many people prefer faster onsets and don't give much in for the plateau. However, this seems to be on a broad spectrum of personal preferences.

Take the 'sizzurp or "drank", which have been popular in the southern US - the combination of Promethazine & Codeine as a cough-syrup mixed with a soft-drink. First it strikes me as a money issue because of the cheap ingredients, broad avaliability adds to this also. But, it's not only the kids from the Texas streets who's been sipping on that mixture. Relatively famous rappers & hip-hop producers have overdosed on it while being in the position to afford and being able to get heavier opiates - and in ammounts that doesn't need Promethazine added in to be strong. In those cases, they clearly choosed the Cough-Syrup instead of lining more expensive pills. Still, I don't see a phenonemon with people taking the same mixture (Codeine & Promethazine) in pill-form for equal effects around the rest of the world.

Sipping on that drank gives a slower onset, higher ammount of personal freedom to administer the combimation and possibly a much longer duration of the overall high (like if sipped troughout the whole day). But wouldn't there be greater euphoria with other opiates? There could be faster onsets too, even greater plateus if used to achieve that goal. This, added to what You wrote on, says to me a lot about the "habit itself", as I think You said.
 
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Snorting gives a different high. I used to strictly eat them, but I now find snorting to be by far the best way of taking oxycodone... and I hate snorting things.
 
i have been following the new oxy debate for a bit. from my understanding it seems that converting the new oxys into a form that is usable for that persons preferred route of administration is just far beyond anything that a true addict would be able to go through everytime. from my understanding it takes several unique chemicals, many steps and a lot of time just to get the pill ready for it's desired use. i mean how many addicts are going to be willing and or able to go though this everytime they want to use? it seems like the new oxys will be prepared more by recreational users rather than hard core addicts. i know that when i'm scorring it's usually because i am out of my DOC and as soon as i aquire that drug i instantly prepare it for IV usage. and even that seems to take forever.

so is it really going to be worth the while to go through these complex extraction methods for the real addicts or have oxys really been eliminted for hard core users abuse? and will oxy abuse be limited to abuse by recreational users who have the materials, the know how and the time to process them into a substance that can be abused?
also how long will it be until people take large amounts of the new oxys, process them into the state needed for IVing or snorting, then being sold in that state similar to the way crack cocaine is processed and sold ready to be smoked. before crack people had to convert powder coke into freebase to smoke.
 
Great post. On a side note, I liked how you mentioned Train Spotting and Pulp Fiction. When I was a young pre-teen I watched the movie Train Spotting and subsequently read the book. It was about this time that I began riffling through the medicine cabinets of family members and friends. It is interesting how drugs portrayed in the media can be a trigger for young people to use. At the same time, the movie did not necessarily showcase drug use as a positive ordeal. It was more like an epiphany, or realization that I had never had before. Before I saw that movie, I carried my young anti-drug rhetoric wherever I went, and about two days after I saw it, I began to experiment with new-found possibilities.

Props to OP once again.
 
i dont snort things anymore. i actually find injesting oxycodone to be best now a days. back in the day i snorted them because it hit faster (and i was not injecting yet)
 
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