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On the Demonisation of Methamphetamine on Bluelight

I’ve taken a bite out of @unodelacosa before in another thread on another topic once before for unnecessarily and insensitively hitting an obviously soft target between the eyes with both barrels in an argument. (Or maybe I wanted to but just reported him, forget)

Anyway then like now he demonstrated a willingness to reflect on his words and retract and apologise when the context and the implications of his words on that person were made clearer. We have many hardheads who who would simply say “fuck you” and keep blasting away regardless until belted with a mod stick.

That apology was 3 days ago I think. But I think the lack of any response from some others to his argument and direct tagging with questions (and apologies) verges on being passive aggressive.

And passive aggression shuts down constructive discussions as fast as unwarranted insinuations or insults do. I think anyone who is going to take a strong position publicly one way or the other in a thread like this needs to do more than drop a bomb and then fuck off to watch the resulting conflagration from afar.

But while being polite and constructive responding is not compulsory (see CEP&S) And selectively posting to present only one-side of a position is not a breach of the rules either (see CEP&S). Both should probably be emphasised in any Mod selection and training if we are going to be a forum for discussion rather than a partisan noticeboard or library.

That said, I read most library-style posts and there is a wealth of useful information in them for the critical reader. Sadly no discussion or counter arguments encouraged (or possibly even allowed) to contradict or clarify them and help us get to the truth of things.
 
Not once have I ever said or implied that he doesn't have the right to his biased opinion. And I maintain the right of criticizing his opinion and its value, no matter how subjective and/or arbitrary my opinion of his opinion may be. I keep having to say this to people – I am a big fan and advocate of freedom of speech. I would never deny someone this right, as I appreciate my own free speech rights. You're not making any relevant point by this, and besides, what does the forum being private and Australian-based have to do with anything?

Actually, I wrote it. But what's your point?

EDIT: actually considering that the emoji you used is called gaydance.gif, exactly what are you implying? Kinda smacks of hate speech a bit there, but I'm sure that wasn't what you meant. Please clarify.
There is more of a point there than pointing out the American Constitution where it doesn't apply. Belligerently attacking someone citing your free speech, while in tandem by doing so, essentially reducing his on the flagrant disrespect in your own point of view doesn't work in private spaces where the constitution does not apply. The strongest bias I can see here is yours. Why all up in arms about it? I don't see him continuing the charade against you on other people. Meth is for many a horrible drug that does destroy lives, including three of his kids. I'm a meth user btw.

Yes you can say whatever you like. I just find you to be disrespectful. Unfortunately the constitution doesn't reach anything like picking your battles or respecting people who have opposing opinions on something which took multiple children away. That's not bias, that's being effected directly by the impact of a serious drug but I guess your free speech to not tolerate a word against your own counts more right?
 
Regarding the "pamphlets"; a high proportion of those articles are pretty much mainstream media. If I wanted to know what CNN had to say about meth or the opioid epidemic I'd go read CNN.
What's the point of making a bunch of threads and filling each one of them with many sensationalistic articles (usually from secondary sources) when they're all pretty much saying the same thing and recycling the same narrative?
There's a place for everything, but I personally don't think they belong on the "focus forums" (specially not in other drugs, if you asked me).

And to be fair not all of those articles are the same, many do contain useful and accurate information (like the ones about testing your drugs etc...).
But I already shared my thoughts with MrPeabody on one of his threads. It's nothing personal (really), I believe he's a good person who wants to help others and I'm sure some people have benefited from his contributions.
 
he is more so than everyone else, you can't expect us to take this seriously
Where. I just read 3-4 pages back and see very little. Beyond that... I don't expect you to yet here we are. Think you guys might be beating a dead horse?
 
There is more of a point there than pointing out the American Constitution where it doesn't apply.
I was using one example, not implying the U.S. Constitution applied internationally. My point was and still is that biases are not all equal. Some limit people's ability to even approach impartiality, something I would think might be important for a moderator on this site.
Belligerently attacking someone citing your free speech,
Belligerently? No one is being belligerent, so just calm down.
while in tandem by doing so, essentially reducing his on the flagrant disrespect in your own point of view
Hahaha, WTF are you talking about? I have no ability to reduce anyone's freedom of speech, and if I had that ability, I still wouldn't do it, because I respect people's freedom to speak their mind, a freedom I consider inalienable, as informed though my opinion on the matter might be by the American constitution.
doesn't work in private spaces where the constitution does not apply.
Once more, I wasn't making a legal argument, but pointing out how biases differ in kind and quality.
The strongest bias I can see here is yours.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ maybe I am biased. I'm not gonna pretend as if that's not possible. To the best of my knowledge, I am not; and what's more, had I lost three sons to meth use—which I'm granting the benefit of the doubt is indeed 100% accurate insofar as to say that the cause of death directly involved acute meth intoxication—I could see becoming bitter and extreme in my views of the drug. I'm certainly not negating how terrible and tragic a thing like that is, nor am I denying any sympathy and/or human compassion for @mr peabody or anyone else in a similar situation. The fact that so many seem not to understand what I'm saying or that I'm not some evil, fucked-up sociopath for being a skeptic and calling out clear bias when I see it, tells me that I must be failing to communicate effectively. This is obviously my fault, and I will try harder to avoid offending people when I make my points. I guess it's impossible to make everyone happy though and some people will always get upset by what I have to say.

Sorry you're offended by my words so much there, and I ask you please forgive my American-centric notions at times – I at least take the time to point out that I'm contextualizing these comparisons, thinking that would suffice to have people not pigeonhole me, but alas: I'm called out by a Canadian… moderator. Goddamn, why is everyone on here a moderator? Seriously what's up with that? It's not really clear to me what moderators besides come down on me for pissing everyone off again…
Why all up in arms about it?
Says the pot to the kettle.
I don't see him continuing the charade against you on other people.
I've just been responding to people. Unfortunately, it's mostly just been me defending myself against the same illogical arguments, yours being no exception, no offense.
Meth is for many a horrible drug that does destroy lives,
I've never argued anything to the contrary. Try reading my posts. Seriously, take a look at the posts on my profile, and then tell me if you still think I'm some ignorant asshole who would suggest meth isn't a potentially disastrous drug.
including three of his kids.
I still don't know what the whole story is here, but I'm told it's rude and unclassy not to grant someone who says a thing like that the benefit of the doubt. Meanwhile, throwing personal tragedy into a discussion to win an argument is totally fine, all class. I obviously don't know what the fuck I'm talking about though, right? Because I said a potentially insensitive thing, any other points to my arguments just go right out the window, despite the fact that I apologized and have stated many times now that it is not my intention to disrespect anyone, to be senselessly critical, mean, hostile, or insensitive. I'm not a bad guy, I'm just dedicated to the truth and don't like to stand by doing nothing while propaganda is being served up on a regular basis with no counterpoint.
I'm a meth user btw.
No wonder you're so all over the place with your emotions…

… I'm just kidding. But see how stereotypes like this are bullshit?
Yes you can say whatever you like. I just find you to be disrespectful.
Well I'm sorry. I never intended to be disrespectful. It upsets me a bit that this is your conclusion of me, but I only have myself to blame for this.
Unfortunately the constitution doesn't reach anything like picking your battles
Again I was using the sixth amendment thing as an example. This is you bringing up the U.S. constitution now, not me.
or respecting people who have opposing opinions
Whoa, that's not fair now. I respect everyone on here, even those with opposing opinions. Just ask @AutoTripper. He and I don't always see things the same way, but we've hashed out some disagreements before in PMs and he knows that I respect him, our shared mutual affinity for LSD and other substances, and even some of his philosophies that run antithetical to my own.

And if I didn't care, I simply wouldn't be taking the time to respond like this nor to defend my reputation on here. Furthermore, if I'm such a shit person allegedly from some of the views on this post, explain to me then why I have a reaction score of 317 on here out of 295 posts?
on something which took multiple children away.
Yeah I'm not trying to be a dick here, but don't you kind of wonder what is meant by this here? I mean, goddamn, that sounds totally fucked. Like what exactly happened? Did this all occur on the same day, or did they each pass away on separate occasions? Were they all from acute overdose, because I don't believe lethally ODing on meth is as common as many other compounds, but it's been a while since I've seen the stats. This would just seem very unlikely—and thus, very unfortunate—to have happened three times, so what could've been potential reasons for such incredible misfortune? How could this have been avoided / how can similar things be avoided in the future. @mr peabody says there's nothing safe about meth, but I don't want to be insensitive or offensive or else I would point out that he likely believes there is no reasonable or responsible way to use meth (and he'd therefore by prognosticating your own demise @Outlier, FWIW)
That's not bias,
No, the bias is his resulting prejudice against anything and everything “meth”. People try to say I'm biased about meth in the other direction, but I call bullshit on this argument, b/c I'm not advocating meth use or trying to claim it's harmless. Once more, I'll state: there are definitely harms to be had w/r/t meth, especially meth abuse. The drug is not for everyone, and a high level of harm-reduction practice should be maintained at all times when using methamphetamine. I feel like this view is balanced. I can go on for many paragraphs detailing both the pros and cons of the drug, and I can clearly see many sides to the central argument regarding the relative safety of crystal meth.
that's being effected
Shit, please forgive me for being OCD and pedantic here, but you mean *affected 🤓(nerd alert)
directly by the impact of a serious drug but I guess your free speech to not tolerate a word against your own counts more right?
When did I ever say this? Why are you putting words in my mouth? I often agree to disagree with people, on here and IRL. I never said or seeked to imply anything remotely like this. Not tolerate a word against my own? Dude, WTF?

Goddamn, it feels like everyone around here wants to paint me into a fucking corner and no one is actually reading what I'm posting, just assigning the wrong tone to my words and then vilifying me in an overly reductionist manner with the exceptions of a few people like @Perforated

I sometimes feel like I'm wasting my time and squandering what talents I may have for writing by contributing to this site. I'd be lying if I said I've felt very welcomed on here since February. Sure, you might think, maybe try being nice to people on here then, but that only would seem that way if you only read this one thread or something without actually paying attention to what I've posted. It's a goddamn shame to feel like your words that were honestly intended to be helpful continuously are mistaken and misunderstood as the opposite. Maybe you're right @Outlier and I should just go fuck off then for being so unlikeable and disrespectful. It's no fun being forced to play villain all the time, you know, especially when you're not a villain in your heart and by your own nature. But it's not like any of you know me personally, so I don't hold it against anyone. It's just crappy no one tries to think about what I'm saying a little harder and just takes the lazy approach of making assumptions about me or prescribing an incorrect, aggressive tone to what I write. I can only assume some of my message is being lost in the translation to text. Fuck, what do I know? I don't wanna argue this shit anymore with any of you, okay? I'm just a fucking asshole and you guys have every right to gang up on me, okay? We cool now? Can we move on? Or is it gonna be all grudges and hostility from moderators on this forum?
 
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Think you guys might be beating a dead horse?
No, at this point I feel like I'm being attacked by virtually everyone on this thread (metaphorically speaking) and I'm being forced to defend myself from the attacks of site moderators such as yourself. In case any feedback is worth a flying fuck to any mod on this site, I'm just going on record as saying it's been really unpleasant being picked apart for sharing my opinions on here by site moderators. I don't feel welcome and I certainly don't feel encouraged to contribute much to the site. I think my posts' value speak for themselves, as does my reaction score to posts ratio, but I'll let you decide that one.

Maybe I'm beating a dead horse, maybe not. And then again maybe you're picking on a valuable, contributing member of the site who freely spends hours adding recent, relevant, harm-reduction-based, site-enriching content consistently over time, asking for absolutely nothing in return except for maybe just a modicum of respect from site moderators, many of whom, to me, seem unbelievably lazy and disrespectful to site contributors.
 
Goddamn, it feels like everyone around here wants to paint me into a fucking corner and no one is actually reading what I'm posting, just assigning the wrong tone to my words and then vilifying me in an overly reductionist manner with the exceptions of a few people like @Perforated
I can empathise. We do make ourselves linchpins you and I. Indeed we disagreed, funded virtually, made peace, accepted each other, and rose above ultimately irrelevant differences which probably wouldn’t stand at all if we all just understood the full truth.

I’ve lost a lot of amigos around here recently by speaking my guts at a time when pandemonium has left the building for me, it’s a challenging, divisive time everywhere you go.

It’s unfortunate that you are not able to have joined this platform at a time of relative peace as I did 2.7 years ago. It’s more like a cat fight now wherever you go.

I actually like Outlier a good bit from what I’ve seen. I hope he listens to your reasoning above and you can both see past the miniature rued of I can call it that.

I’ll likely not be posting very much for a time of I can just help myself, it’s a distraction for me that gets me through difficult days and patches, but that’s all the more reason to hush myself unless I’m actually in a good place, like before all this crap world took over the show.

These are stressful times for everybody, not least the more conscious. I’ve recognised so much that is important in life, and so much that is not.

Chit chatting about drugs I know next to squat about, for fun and a healthy, engaging hobby just isn’t rewarding or purposeful for me like it was inspiring me to join here.

I’m literally all out done wasting my energy in the wrong crowd of the most unlike minds in various threads here on various political themes I just can’t keep my head out of, but think I just will, here at least, from now on.

@unodelocosa hope you are keeping alright generally man. I feel you too. Passion and drive gets us into many skirmishes.

I’m genuinely really pleased that we both exercised maturity and were adult enough to fully resolve our silly really, little getting to know each other lol, miss-mash of philosophy and real world factual drug talk intertwined whatever it was.

Water under a bridge in no time and zero hard feelings, I was pleased you never felt deterred by the stress and frustration from continuing to participate here and share your experience and wisdom.

I’ve always seen Outlier as a good guy too though. I saw elsewhere also he’s another among us really succumbing to very high stress levels and feelings of futility in life.

Emotions everywhere driving things.

Ouch. Case of piles atm from I.B.S. , really making it hard to think straight. Of all the things in life I would have thought a stinging butt wouldn’t dominate my consciousness so much night and day.

Best remedy for piles I know of, fresh urine. Really takes the sting away faster than aloe Vera or Shea Butter, also cheaper lol!

Except I’ve not organised a container and with the runs as I’m prone to, every “trip” scuffs the surface and I’m frequently out of wee. It’s time for a container I think.

Right, I’d better check see if there’s any alerts I don’t want to know about, I have a real case of amnesia, without alerts I’d never remember half the stuff I’ve posted each day. I cringe at times- eh? That thread? What on earth did I say last night lol…

I didn’t hesitate seeing your mention in contrast, before facing the potential music.

The internet can be dangerous you know. The way some matter or someone can really unexpectedly get in your head and twist it up at any time, in a way that doesn’t ever happen without a much greater level of predictability in real life.

My best mate’s mum is a real witch. Always has been. I’ve been exclusively polite, friendly, decent, natural and never afraid or oppressed.

She very nearly flipped me from a really positive good trip recently, having a right whail in hysterics on a Sunday joking about old times, kicking about my friend’s house and garden.

The way she so obnoxiously interrupted our space and how she was all round towards me, vs how I have always been with her and everyone, it was wicked really, and uncalled for.

True colours, bang on the table. It kind of shocked me, really admitting to myself how callous and uncaring this lady truly is.

From being one moment in my element, mentally free, happy, relaxed, I suddenly felt so unsafe in her house, like I needed to leave just to avoid having to have the vital basic conversation with her to not be bullied and belittled basically, as I’ll always defend myself or others, politely and with reason but fuck doing that on the peak of a really good trip.

It reminded how with acid, however headstrong you are, it can just take one little unexpected negative input or shock, I had to focus on steadying the trip and succeeded at reverting it back, but partly in my mind on the condition or assumption I could avoid seeing my friend’s mum again that day.

I did, left within an hour, happy as Larry to be out in the safe open public where I am my own Dominion and as free as anywhere.

A few days later, as I’m really trying to help this friend with a longterm alcohol problem, support, suggestions, real talk about all things, I’m convinced his mum’s sheer negativity must be a factor driving his lifelong use of alcohol, the consciousness dimmer.

If so, and it’s surely a part of the motivating forces, it needs to be acknowledged to be aware of stressors and manage that anxiety without going back to the can, as it is with his DOC.

I mentioned this to him on phone, not one bit slamming his mum, who has forever spoken down to and cursed me so belittlingly into the ground without a single rise nor even feeling of annoyance from me, with a sincere view to help my friend focus on the underlying layers underneath his addiction.

His mum overheard me on the phone. It really wasn’t a bad thing at all said, nor in a bad tone. It surely touched a nerve though. But was the excuse she evidently sought to lash out hard, so disproportionately. It’s partly jealousy. The whole family, everyone except her, I’ve always had a solid bond with and have been the best friend honestly my mate has had his whole life.

That was a very rare occasion I allowed external real life stress to unexpectedly shake my mental calm late evening, I do have a complex anxiety and panic disorder and can shift between extremes at times.

But the internet though, you’re so much more open to retaliation, disagreement, fueding even.

So that’s it, I’ll just keep my head out of Politics and especially this damn Corona 6 pack shit every right minded person is sick of.

I do need some acupuncture today though for gut distress. 10.22 am here. Usual monstrous allergies to manage before anything and man I could use some consciousness alteration.
 
It reminded how with acid, however headstrong you are, it can just take one little unexpected negative input or shock
This is so true. Tripping acid is being okay with deliberately placing yourself into a vulnerable state.
@unodelocosa hope you are keeping alright generally man.
Yeah generally. I wrote some helpful stuff on a thread regarding 2C-B, 2C-B-FLY, and βOH-2C-B that seemed like they held value for others here.
I feel you too. Passion and drive gets us into many skirmishes.
Yeah I suppose you're dead-on with this, and that was kinda my point to what I was posting about how if I didn't care about this topic, I wouldn't bother replying so thoroughly nor with any passion. And I'm not just some goober blabbering out nonsense, I do know WTF I'm talking about sometimes, it should be noted. Or not. I don't know.
and man I could use some consciousness alteration
Haha, you and me both, bruvva; you and me both. I have a fresh sheet of ALD-52 I've only tried once, two hits @ 100µg/hit. Was a light trip, so I could attempt 4 hits next, see where that leaves things… also I have some cocaine tea from Columbia made with coca leaves that's supposed to be fairly interesting and different from the insufflated-cocaine-high. Right now, first though, I'm rolling up a phat spliff laced with some hashish in your honor, my man. Bout to spark it up and smoke this shitty feeling away.
I actually like Outlier a good bit from what I’ve seen.
I'd seen his posts around and had no problem with him either until today when everyone just dogpiled on anything I said without even trying to regard first what I was saying. This cat even says he also smokes meth, but continues to act like I'm the shittiest guy on the planet. I think you might be right in your assessment that some people seem to be taking their stress out on others in this forum. It's an uncomfortable feeling and an ugly look.
 
What the fuck do guns have to do with any of this? Stop creating fake news and injecting your unrelated, personal biases into the topic. You moved to a rural area, you knew there'd be guns. Don't expect others to change their lives or give up their hobbies just because you don't happen to agree with aspects of it.
Guns + meth aren't even remotely related and any correlation is purely coincidental or just a regional thing. I spent a lot of years living (and doing drugs) in the west coast mountains and no one i knew in the drug community carried a firearm. Most of em if given a weapon, would have probably sold it for more dope. So stop creating stereotypes.

How do you feel then about Muslims?
Rap culture? "Urban" neighborhoods with all the black on black murder (and with all those nifty gun laws 😃) that always seems to be off limits in any discussion.

You'd make for a good journalist.
It was in relation to a post by Mr. Peabody ( the gun part ) .

In your haste to diss me and my post you missed the post I was referring to.

Keep up, will ya?
 
This is so true. Tripping acid is being okay with deliberately placing yourself into a vulnerable state.

Yeah generally. I wrote some helpful stuff on a thread regarding 2C-B, 2C-B-FLY, and βOH-2C-B that seemed like they held value for others here.

Yeah I suppose you're dead-on with this, and that was kinda my point to what I was posting about how if I didn't care about this topic, I wouldn't bother replying so thoroughly nor with any passion. And I'm not just some goober blabbering out nonsense, I do know WTF I'm talking about sometimes, it should be noted. Or not. I don't know.

Haha, you and me both, bruvva; you and me both. I have a fresh sheet of ALD-52 I've only tried once, two hits @ 100µg/hit. Was a light trip, so I could attempt 4 hits next, see where that leaves things… also I have some cocaine tea from Columbia made with coca leaves that's supposed to be fairly interesting and different from the insufflated-cocaine-high. Right now, first though, I'm rolling up a phat spliff laced with some hashish in your honor, my man. Bout to spark it up and smoke this shitty feeling away.

I'd seen his posts around and had no problem with him either until today when everyone just dogpiled on anything I said without even trying to regard first what I was saying. This cat even says he also smokes meth, but continues to act like I'm the shittiest guy on the planet. I think you might be right in your assessment that some people seem to be taking their stress out on others in this forum. It's an uncomfortable feeling and an ugly look.
ALD kicks ass IMO, I honestly prefer it over all other Lysergamides I have tried, although I never have had ETH LAD, or LSA from seeds, or 1BLSD which I just gave a birth basically.

I only have tried ALD twice myself. As I was silly to only get 15 tabs while the Dutch Green Giants were still printing it until about May 2019.

First time 200 ug plus over 30 ug of 1cP.

Second time a straight up 250 ug of ALD.

I still have 10.5 tabs sealed in fridge, I mentally reserved them for a special occasion, which just ain’t happening lol and I’m not holding out for the apocalypse. Maybe not the DOC for such an event.

Both of those trips were unique, clearly subjectively distinct to LSD 25 for me. I particularly noticed more depth and breathing to the closed eye visuals on ALD, and both trips had a kind of second wave high.

And yet, it’s very conceivable that I might never pick a point in time to room temp the jar, in an hour’s advance, the only time lock safe on my tabs lol, the ones that actually are in the fridge (I trip so purely spontaneously, in the sour if the moment, on all ranges of doses. But I won’t just open a cold jar, I’ll at least take one out of the fridge in case, but then it might not go back into the fridge for 6 months lol, so I can just not even think about it beforehand but I did actually, finally put the jar back in there last week, so I at least know I’m not going to be tripping without some degree of forward planning), so that keeps me from compulsively gobbling ALD tabs, which I only want to appreciate in a better time and place.

100 ug is never enough for a full trip for me. It’s probably my least favourite dose.

50-75 is better, as it’s less committing. 100 is too committing while not being worthwhile enough, in my personal experience, to justify it.

125 I like, and 150 can be a sparkle as it should, half a 60’s full strength Microdot basically, not a light thing.

Maybe 300 ug of the ALD will suffice for you.

Now your Cocaine tea, I would really be DOWN for. Good acquisition I say. Hope it goes down well. I grew up adoring clean hash too. I just can’t vaporize pollen or hash at all these years, I might be able to eat it but if it’s been fertilised, even edibles can cause an allergy heart reaction.

I’ve not made any progress yet. I need serious sleep, but I need acupuncture to achieve that, I need drugs to get me to the place and all sorts of symptoms to treat before I can get to any psychoactives.

It’s either, aim for another not restful mini sleep cycle, or commit to consciousness, start oil pulling, mapping out an essential treatment routine so I can drink some kava and vaporize some really good Sativa herb just begun curing but so hard to resist, go to town for a treatment and sleep far more restfully later. It’s a truly abnormal life I live here you know.
 
he said "voir dire"
gaydance.gif
I'm still waiting for you to explain your comment here, please. Again, I feel this comment smacks a little too closely of gay hate speech considering the graphic is named “gaydance.gif.” You're not a homophobe, right?

EDIT: actually never mind. Don't answer that; I don't want to know, and it really doesn't matter to me. I think there are some hypocritical-ass moderators around here, but then it takes one to know one; meaning I'm no doubt just as much a hypocrite as anyone else on this planet, so who am I to call people out? It's whatever, homies. I'm not mad. I'm just dropping everything right here because I'm really fucking tired of arguing against the same brickwork, brick after brick. So no more masonry for me, and please try not to throw so many bricks at me maybe next time, okay? Later
 
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I'm still waiting for you to explain your comment here, please. Again, I feel this comment smacks a little too closely of gay hate speech considering the graphic is named “gaydance.gif.” You're not a homophobe, right?

EDIT: actually never mind. Don't answer that; I don't want to know, and it really doesn't matter to me. I think there are some hypocritical-ass moderators around here, but then it takes one to know one; meaning I'm no doubt just as much a hypocrite as anyone else on this planet, so who am I to call people out? It's whatever, homies. I'm not mad. I'm just dropping everything right here because I'm really fucking tired of arguing against the same brickwork, brick after brick. So no more masonry for me, and please try not to throw so many bricks at me maybe next time, okay? Later
Lol, I see that was your 301st post. So you were sitting on 300 when I suggested a 300 ALD dose.

Now you need to try and snip an extra Microgram off of an edge.

Recently I liked a post of a member here I do solidly appreciate and it was his 3,333rd reaction score.
 
It was in relation to a post by Mr. Peabody ( the gun part ) .
The one that uses faulty logic to forge a connection between meth abuse and gun violence?
In your haste to diss me and my post you missed the post I was referring to.
No, you see I think his point is that all the gun statics mean fuck all when trying to attribute deaths to meth use. Anyone who arbitrarily makes this connection is stereotyping at best and dangerously correlating unrelated statistics to skew the perception of facts at worst. This argument carries no weight in my humble opinion.
Keep up, will ya?
Patience, bro.
 
The one that uses faulty logic to forge a connection between meth abuse and gun violence?

No, you see I think his point is that all the gun statics mean fuck all when trying to attribute deaths to meth use. Anyone who arbitrarily makes this connection is stereotyping at best and dangerously correlating unrelated statistics to skew the perception of facts at worst. This argument carries no weight in my humble opinion.

Patience, bro.
Do you always respond to posts directed at someone else? I see from the last few pages that you want to be heard on the subject but responding to other peoples post not directed at you is a bit intrusive. Calm down sweetie. You are being heard loud and clear. My opinions carry no weight in your world so try and take a deep breath. It's going to be okay. My faulty logic has no place in your thoughts.
 
Okay, progress. Acupuncture booked, earlier than ideal as rushing mad now with allergies then shower and ASAP whichever drugs I can allow, manage, justify, while keeping in relative balance.

I try to keep up with the times you know. When I procured a stack of Lysergamides in 2019, I wasn’t anticipating “end” times. Which is a valid shout or label, more than ever before anyway.

So it would be wise to stock up on end times drugs really.

What more appropriate for these particular end times than…

 
Somebody a few days ago pointed out that I myself post a lot of stuff advising people not to do meth but am complaining about other people basically doing the same thing and asked for an explanation of my motivations. I apologise because I forget who it was and don't have time to re-read the whole thread. It might have been @bongdong I think.

Firstly, my main motivation is as a staff member committed to what I understand to be the guiding principles of BL. Regardless of my own personal tastes or phobias regarding drugs I believe that claims on the positive or negative aspects of drug use should be backed up by a reasonable amount of experience and/or some kind of credible third party reference. However, such posts should not be probitionist or unecessarily fear mongering in nature. BL accepts that people engage in an inherently dangerous pastime and exists to guide those people towards safer use in the first instance. We DO NOT exist to bring people to sobriety unless that is what they have already decided what they want in their lives and have specifically asked for help with. In which case we have The Recovery Forums which have outstanding resources on getting clean and sober.

For example I personally loathe opiates and my very first experience of heroin was an OD where I woke up very ill in the ER. Almost all drug-related crime I have suffered or witnessed involved heroin addicts or drunk people. The only people I know who have died from drugs were heroin addicts, benzo addicts and alcoholics. But I have minimal technical knowledge about those drugs, have never had to 'recover' from them, and little appreciation for how good they can feel. So I pretty much have nothing much to say about them on BL (except for what just wrote)

In an ideally moderated world we'd have at least three clear divisions. The Drug Forums: where everything is fact-based and judgement-free harm minimisation advice given eqaully for all substances. The Recovery Forums: where drugs are treated as not-good and problematic and help is given to remove them from people's lives. The Community Forums (particularly Drug Culture and the Lounge as well as the social forums in MDMA and Psychadelics at least) where celebrating your love of drugs and posting while high is accepted and supported not just merely tolerated.

I have asked Management and my fellow moderators on several occasions to consider a special stim sub-forum to contain all the tweakery. But there are several practical problems with this that I understand are hard to address easily. The first is that a special sub-forum may still fill up with tweaky material that obscures harm reduction. That material is better off in DC or the Lounge - but it a lot of mod effort to prune it and transfer itto where it is more appropriate and obscure the HR info less. The second is that stimulants are not limited to meth, and a lot of serious discussion around cocaine, ADHD drugs, other pharmaceuticals and research chemicals would likely get lost in a meth dominated forum. The moderators who contribute most on all those topics don't have the bandwidth to manage the tweakery as well and overall we might lose their valued contributions on other stimulant substances.

My other motivation is that I believe that in life everyone should make a solid effort to reach their full emotional, intellectual, and social potential. Now, in my personal experience of stim use over 30 years I have found that heavy stim abuse has really prevented me from doing those three things. Despite being in my 50s I still have ambitions to make serious gains in each area of my life and I know that meth has been seriously retarding me doing so. BUT, it has also brought me some of the greatest fun and pleasure imaginable - especially on the sexual side. My life for the last 2 years has been an absolute sexual riot. I'm going to miss those adventures but personally as I take my dying breath one day, it is whether I achieved my intellectual, social, and emotional potential that will be on my mind - not the time I spent 12 hours daisy chaining with three 20 year old secretaries, two transbabes, and a cute midget in the Philipines.

So I am probablty guilty of seeing people who post here on meth like me through my own particular prejudices about what people should be trying to do with their lives. For older experienced tweakers I want to put my arm around them and lead them to the realisation that there are lots of good things they can still get out of life if they moderate themselves and wean themselves of meth or find a way to be much more selective in their use. For scared or curious young newbies I feel I want to give them the benefit of my experience and paint a picture of the rabbit holes I ran down that caused me to waste a lot of my life and greatly underachieve academically and professionally in my youth as I prioritised pleasure and/or hiding from my chidhood pain and trauma even when I didn't recognise I had it.

I honestly think that if heroin had turned out to be my drug of choice and I'd spent the last 20 years on the nod in between begging for coin on street corners, pimping out my girlfriend, or breaking into cars for spare change and consumer elctronics I'd be engaging with opiate users in the much the same way about making up for lost time or not getting onto a time-wasting track in the first place. Just without all the great sexcapades to make it a more interesting or amusing read for those following along.

Basically it all boils down to respecting people's freedom of choice, having a high tolerance for what drug use can lead people to do, and a belief that everyone can find pleasure and joy in the end so long as they use drugs safely and with some kind of perspective on what's really fun and what's just hiding from things about yourself or your family you cannot face but probably should. Which, again, seems to be what this place is really all about.


I like your posts particularly when you're obviously relaxed and being yourself, not the "I'm a mod and must stick to the script" bullshit I guess most seem to feel they need to do, dont stress out about this too much, it doesnt really help or make bl better for you

From personal experience in the drug world and on here, people tend to be drawn to relatable content from people just being their own person. I doubt anyone would spend more than a noob cursive glance at the copypasta lectures based on other people's research or anything they avoid from their parents lectures.

People are always going to think and feel how they want to about anything. Theres no point telling anyone that they shouldn't NOT tell people to not do meth, because that's true, no one should.

How someone reacts to posts like this is not in the posters control as they don't control who reads it and takes it as a personal thing about them rather than a drug. That's on the reader.

Theres nothing stopping any response to a post sledging druggies either- which is the risk anyone takes putting forward an opinion. Too feeble to get back what you put out? Don't bother posting then.

There have been so many people on this board act like un toilet trained basket cases spewing utter nonsense under the influence of drugs, saying how great whatever drug they're on is, enough to put people off doing those drugs hopefully as they wouldn't want to end up like them.

If there's fuckwits who are clearly not bothering doing meth without losing their shit, binging and fucking up their lives on it, I'd say its a good call to throw shade at them for it.

Its when the druggie actually becomes the exact stereotype their DOC is known for that the fear of stigmatising someone shouldn't win out.

There's nothing to be gained by moddycoddling irresponsible, stupid behavior so calling a crackhead out as one does tend to work.

Its a shit move though when drug use just gets to be the insult du jour for bored trolls trying to be relevant
 
Calm down sweetie.
You're being condescending for no reason. I didn't come at you like that. You have no right disrespecting me like this, and that's a fucked up thing to say.
Do you always respond to posts directed at someone else?
No, not usually, QED. I typically have to defend myself against assholish comments like the one above seeking to put me down in a sophomoric, unintelligent way, calling me “sweetie” for God knows what reason like a misogynist prick weirdo. What's your implication there when you call me "sweetie" and how is it okay for that to be a pejorative term? That was an idiotic thing to say there, Pumpkin, and I think you should read more before you spin out knee-jerk reactions.
responding to other peoples post not directed at you is a bit intrusive.
1. No, you're projecting arbitrary rules here on the rest of the world. 2. And btw, this site is called a discussion forum. That was a particularly dishonest argument you attempted to make there. How lame.
My opinions carry no weight in your world
Ah, but they do. I initially was responding a little more harshly, but I opted to just urge you to be patient instead of pointing out the hypocrisy of telling someone else to keep up when in fact you failed to keep up with the discussion, it seems, misinterpreting the point being made. I've read your posts before and had some admiration for your opinions, but, like many on here, you overreacted to my comments and spoke like absolute shit to me for no good reason. WTF is up with everyone's terrible attitude and hostile goddamn approach?
so try and take a deep breath. It's going to be okay.
I think you should try your own advice there instead. Take a deep breath and you try focusing on yourself. I'm fine, and certainly don't need your reassurances, but I recognize your weird attempts to put me down out of misplaced fear.
My faulty logic has no place in your thoughts.
No I was referring to the faulty logic presented in the referenced gun violence article; it wasn't a comment on your own logic, but I guess I wasn't clear enough there, so my bad you misinterpreted the message. Apologies if so on that point, but also if so, it should be obvious you're taking exception to the wrong shit.

Goddamn, people. Who else, huh? Who else wants to attempt to rain down their best tough guy shit talk on me? I will stand my ground and eviscerate every single weak-ass, sad, ignorant, and prejudiced argument every time.

@AlphaMethylPhenyl and btw, like I said, I already apologized to @mr peabody and I can show you the post: https://www.bluelight.org/xf/threads/on-the-demonisation-of-methamphetamine-on-bluelight.907071/page-3#post-15275821 I admit when I'm wrong. Can the rest of you say the same thing or are even site moderators guilty of having their heads so far up their asses they can't humble themselves one bit?
 
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You're being condescending for no reason. I didn't come at you like that. You have no right disrespecting me like this, and that's a fucked up thing to say.

No, not usually, QED. I typically have to defend myself against assholish comments like the one above seeking to put me down in a sophomoric, unintelligent way, calling me “sweetie” for God knows what reason like a misogynist prick weirdo. What's your implication there when you call me "sweetie" and how is it okay for that to be a pejorative term? That was an idiotic thing to say there, Pumpkin, and I think you should read more before you spin out knee-jerk reactions.

1. No, you're projecting arbitrary rules here on the rest of the world. 2. And btw, this site is called a discussion forum. That was a particularly dishonest argument you attempted to make there. How lame.

Ah, but they do. I initially was responding a little more harshly, but I opted to just urge you to be patient instead of pointing out the hypocrisy of telling someone else to keep up when in fact you failed to keep up with the discussion, it seems, misinterpreting the point being made. I've read your posts before and had some admiration for your opinions, but, like many on here, you overreacted to my comments and spoke like absolute shit to me for no good reason. WTF is up with everyone's terrible attitude and hostile goddamn approach?

I think you should try your own advice there instead. Take a deep breath and you try focusing on yourself. I'm fine, and certainly don't need your reassurances, but I recognize your weird attempts to put me down out of misplaced fear.

No I was referring to the faulty logic presented in the referenced gun violence article; it wasn't a comment on your own logic, but I guess I wasn't clear enough there, so my bad you misinterpreted the message. Apologies if so on that point, but also if so, it should be obvious you're taking exception to the wrong shit.

Goddamn, people. Who else, huh? Who else wants to attempt to rain down their best tough guy shit talk on me? I will stand my ground and eviscerate every single weak-ass, sad, ignorant, and prejudiced argument every time.
Duly noted.
 
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