on high dose methadone, what opiates might still be able to give me an effect?

[jamesBrown]

I don't think she's meaning to be an asshole; she's just telling it like it is. I've had two friends overdose from Methadone and Benzos mixed. One of them didn't survive, and the other barely made it, only because his girlfriend found him in the nick of time. They both, to put it simply, quit breathing.

Thats the problem....shes NOT telling it like it is....

The TRUTH was that he DOES have an opiate tolerance...and she said ....

"not the best advice for someone with no tolerance to opiates"

..therefore....NOT telling it like it is.

 

[jamesBrown]

and like I explained before in my post...Yes, if the poster had no opiate tolerance....than it would have been a much more dangerous situation, but as ive explained twice allready...he DID have a tolerance...making the situation NOTHING to be concerned about.

* and also, just so you know, the word "embetterment" in your personal quote...isnt an actual word...i just thought id tell you....you may know allready, and in that case, no big deal, its just if you didnt know, i thought you might like to know.*

 

[morphonorconic]

Are you their attorney? You seem to be taking it all personally. What do you care? I'm not going to debate semantics with you, but just because someone has a tolerance doesn't make them invincible. You think my friends who OD'd didn't have a huge tolerance to drugs? They did.

And yes I'm aware of pseudo-word status of 'embetterment' but I like it, so I used it.

 

[jamesBrown]

First of all man, chill out....i wasnt causing any problems...I was simply correcting your statement...

you said she was calling it like it is...which was UNTRUE...because the person actually DID have a tolerance....and I also never said this made them invincible.....I simply stated that the chances of this causing any problem in those doses wouold be EXTREMELY small. No problem in stating the obvious TRUTH.

And im sry your friends OD'ed....but I doubt that if they had a tolerance to opiates...they overdosed on a 10 mg dose of methadone 5 hours before dosing 4mg of dilaudid. That would be pretty much impossible. Please know what your talking about before you post.

Also...dont take offense to me telling you "embetterment" isnt a word....I was simply letting you know in case you didnt allready...I wasnt being rude...I was trying to be nice..

...some people just cant understand when they are trying to be helped...they automatically asssume they are being criticized.

I hope you learn to better control your actions/anger...and wish you the best.

*And FYI...I wasnt taking it personally...just making sure that true informaiton was being spread...not false info.....thats one of our jobs as BL members*

 

[SubDude]

I don't think she's meaning to be an asshole; she's just telling it like it is. I've had two friends overdose from Methadone and Benzos mixed. One of them didn't survive, and the other barely made it, only because his girlfriend found him in the nick of time. They both, to put it simply, quit breathing.

I also had a friend die from benzo/methadone mix.... he had been on methadone for yrs and regularily mixed it up with his benzo script to get high. The problem is... one night he mixed it up to strongly and was alone at the time. end of story.

Anyone whose been on MMT knows the combo will bring a nice buzz but when you get to the "nod" level... thats when you get up and take a walk [coffee's good] and get someone nearby. Benzo added to meth should only be used [to potentiate] with others close by... and then with extreme caution.

 

[morphonorconic]

^ Sorry to hear that; seems the majority of Opioid related overdoses (other than IV Heroin OD's) are in fact the result of Methadone being mixed with a Benzodiazepine, usually either Alprazolam or Clonazepam.

I absolutely agree about being extremely cautious as well, regardless of tolerance or how long someone has been using. The friend of mine who survived had been taking Methadone regularly for at least a year, but did not have regular access to Benzos. He took only 40mg of Methadone, but was alone, and mixed in some Klonopin too. He was found cold and blue, foaming at the mouth, and not breathing by his girlfriend.

 

[morphonorconic]

First of all man, chill out....i wasnt causing any problems...I was simply correcting your statement...

you said she was calling it like it is...which was UNTRUE...because the person actually DID have a tolerance....and I also never said this made them invincible.....I simply stated that the chances of this causing any problem in those doses wouold be EXTREMELY small. No problem in stating the obvious TRUTH.

And im sry your friends OD'ed....but I doubt that if they had a tolerance to opiates...they overdosed on a 10 mg dose of methadone 5 hours before dosing 4mg of dilaudid. That would be pretty much impossible. Please know what your talking about before you post.

Also...dont take offense to me telling you "embetterment" isnt a word....I was simply letting you know in case you didnt allready...I wasnt being rude...I was trying to be nice..

...some people just cant understand when they are trying to be helped...they automatically asssume they are being criticized.

I hope you learn to better control your actions/anger...and wish you the best.

*And FYI...I wasnt taking it personally...just making sure that true informaiton was being spread...not false info.....thats one of our jobs as BL members*

Alright guy. I suppose you have a point in regards to the unlikelyhood of any danger from such a dose, if the person does indeed have a substantial tolerance. Agreed. However these rules are not written in stone, and please keep in mind that this is a HR forum, and that what may be true for one person, may not be for another. I feel it is better to be safe than sorry when it comes to drug use. That's why I'd say that some posts, though perhaps perceived as rude in context, or exaggeratory, are ultimately always in the interest of harm reduction.

With that said, please don't tell me to know what I'm talking about before I post. If you read my posts or ask anyone, I'm confident you will see that I do in fact know what I'm talking about, and will always research and ask questions in the interest of obtaining the right information before posting, in the event that I do not already posess the appropriate knowledge. I never have and never would deliberately post misinformation in this forum.

I am not angry by any means, and I didn't mean to come off as a dick or anything. It's just that when new(er) members come in and patronize those of us who have been around for years, we tend to get a little irritated, or at least I know I do. But no worries man, I'm not trying to get into a debate, just wanted to tell you where I'm coming from.

 

[B25Bulas]

Methadone

what you need to do is lower your dosage of methadone. there is no reason for anyone, no matter what your level of opiate usage is, to be on such a high dosage. Methadone, is a very dangerous opiate. It has taken countless lives, with doses at only 50mg! You should work your way down, start taking 125mg the next day, then take 100, go down 25 mg a day till you get to about 75mg. You will feel kinda shitty, yeah, but its the only way your going to lower your tolerance. Once you get your dosage lowered, underneath 100mgs a day at least, then you can start to get high again. BUT, understand, you can kill yourself very easily by mixing any other opiate with methadone. People always laugh it off or say "my tolerance is high" but, ive seen it. Dude was perfectly normal, chilling, high, then he just fell over and died. Methadone mixed with heroin. Not tryin to preach to the choir, but, try to keep your dosage down, and eventually, you will be back to actually getting high off small amounts. imagine doing 10 mg of methadone and getting high?? wouldnt that be nice? it could happen if you had the determination to do it, and the will power. just bring it down a tad and youll be good bro, trust me. you wont die, just deal with the pain, and youll be straight..

You have no reason to listen to me. Unless you want to die (presumably you don't or you wouldn't be on a Methadone program), don't mix the high you get with your daily methadone dose with other opiates. I was at 165mg/day methadone. Standing in line at 5:00am every damned day and many of those with me died from taking "hillbilly heroin" (oxy,hydro) because either the methadone wasn't kicking in quick enough or it wasn't lasting long enough.
I agree with the former poster. If you've decided on methadone treatment, you've decided you want something to change. I'm the last person to tell you how. I did though.

 

[jamesBrown]

Alright guy. I suppose you have a point in regards to the unlikelyhood of any danger from such a dose, if the person does indeed have a substantial tolerance. Agreed. However these rules are not written in stone, and please keep in mind that this is a HR forum, and that what may be true for one person, may not be for another. I feel it is better to be safe than sorry when it comes to drug use. That's why I'd say that some posts, though perhaps perceived as rude in context, or exaggeratory, are ultimately always in the interest of harm reduction.

With that said, please don't tell me to know what I'm talking about before I post. If you read my posts or ask anyone, I'm confident you will see that I do in fact know what I'm talking about, and will always research and ask questions in the interest of obtaining the right information before posting, in the event that I do not already posess the appropriate knowledge. I never have and never would deliberately post misinformation in this forum.

I am not angry by any means, and I didn't mean to come off as a dick or anything. It's just that when new(er) members come in and patronize those of us who have been around for years, we tend to get a little irritated, or at least I know I do. But no worries man, I'm not trying to get into a debate, just wanted to tell you where I'm coming from.

I never said that everyone was the same and just because those dosage levels were practically harmless for most people doesnt mean that I was saying that EVERYONE will have no problem with taking that amount of methadone and ilaudid.

You poorly misunderstood if thats how you interpretted it. I was simply saying that in general its a very low dose with no seious risk in taking in it.

As soon as you quote me saying..."Everyone who takes this dose of these medication will be perfectly fine and have nothing to worry about no matter what"......I will admit that you are right...
....but since thats not what I said...and since you seem to be trying to make it look like thats what I said, or that was my point...it seems we have some misunderstanding. I AM NOT SOME NEWBIE TRYING TO BE AN IGNORANT ASSHOLE. I know what I was talking about...I know what i said...I know what I didnt say....so please dont put words in my mouth and change things around.

Everything I said went along with what you said in the above post...you just devided to take what I said and twist it so you could have some leverage to same some bullshit about "new members this.."...."older members that..."

Give it up.

 

[Znegative]

at a 150 mg of methadone I don't really think anything will "break through" and bring you the euphoria that someone with a way smaller habit would experience. The only ones I think might have the potential to do that are fentanyl, dilaudid, and oxymorphone. But once your tolerance gets that high, you don't really get more euphoric, you just get more sedated. IT's a hard lesson to learn. When I was on a hundred milligrams I was constantly trying to break through it. I'd go through a bundle of good H in an hour and not get anything more then a rush and five minutes of feeling dizzy.

if your at the point where doubling your own methadone dose (not a good idea, but everyone does it) and your not getting any more euphoria than you normally would just more sedation, then you just got to lower your dose or give up on the opiates.

 

[homeydontplaythat]

opana, only IV though.

 

[Diacetyl_Morphine]

Yeah it's really not worth it. Either stick to methadone, or get off of it and get high. You can't really have both. I guess you can usually if you're under 70mgs, but that sorta defeats the purpose of MMT.

 

[Znegative]

yeah, even if you dont take your dose for three days, if your on like 90 or above, you will still not get high. I used to be on 110, and i wouldn't dose for three days, and then shoot heroin, and I would get a rush, but no high, no matter how many bags I did. Methadone is a real commitment, and theres a reason most people on it that still want to get high switch to benzo's or I.V coke/crack

 

[morphonorconic]

I never said that everyone was the same and just because those dosage levels were practically harmless for most people doesnt mean that I was saying that EVERYONE will have no problem with taking that amount of methadone and ilaudid.

You poorly misunderstood if thats how you interpretted it. I was simply saying that in general its a very low dose with no seious risk in taking in it.

As soon as you quote me saying..."Everyone who takes this dose of these medication will be perfectly fine and have nothing to worry about no matter what"......I will admit that you are right...
....but since thats not what I said...and since you seem to be trying to make it look like thats what I said, or that was my point...it seems we have some misunderstanding. I AM NOT SOME NEWBIE TRYING TO BE AN IGNORANT ASSHOLE. I know what I was talking about...I know what i said...I know what I didnt say....so please dont put words in my mouth and change things around.

Everything I said went along with what you said in the above post...you just devided to take what I said and twist it so you could have some leverage to same some bullshit about "new members this.."...."older members that..."

Give it up.

Goodness. What the fuck are you even talking about? I'm not going to drag this thread any further off topic, but you can if you want. I'm guessing you will, because that is clearly your style. It's people like you that make me not want to hang out here.

fluxy- My apologies for bullshitting up your thread.

 

[oxymoron87]

Only thing that gets through my 120mgs of methadone is a big old .3 or.4 shot of pure white dope in a big hard chunk rite on the digital scale, crushed and shot all at once, now don't go doing exactly like me cause u could die if yer dope is better, and the rush from that only lasts about 1min 2mins tops, then a very very small after glow ,its like the done is fighting to push the good stuff out my receptors ,but not even 4 8mg dillys in one shot could get threw the done not even a damn tickle of a rush wen i was only on 75mg of done at that time, and that shot of heroin almost a half gram aint cheap but that's just what i am slicing off the chunk wen im getting people a few grams so there nothing better wen i push that plunger with a big old .4 of pure white dope knowing i didint pay a penny fer it ,wonder how good it would feel if i could go without my methadone and do a shot like that almost a half g ,my boy oded of 2 packs witch equals no ware near even like .2 of the same dope and 4 8mg dilaudids would have had me in heaven or an ambulance before the done, but it felt like i just did a big old shot of water and at that point i was like ther is nothing that will get threw this god dam methadone till i found this reall white dope no powder allways in chunks everytime shit it looks just like big chunks of coke like no tan tint at all

 

[Crossfit Junkie]

Liquid morphine

Hi,
I'm new here so.....hey! Nice to join this site. Lots of cool folks and good info. Regarding your question - I've heard that banging liquid morphine will still get you high. Supposedly the receptors in the brain are not cut off when this drug is ingested this way. But now, I'll throw a question back to anyone who can answer: How does one take liquid morp. In a needle if it is mixed in a syrup-diluted with it (5ml in 1 mg). Please help!)