on high dose methadone, what opiates might still be able to give me an effect?

[fluxy]

Im on 150mg of methadone,


and apart from tramadol of all things ive found it really hard to notice any opiates when i use them anymore. i know methadone has a blockade effect at that dose, and the only way to feel something is to use unsafe amounts of oxy and i cant justify wasting 150 dollars on the shit to get a buzz for half an hour. How long do i have to go without my dose to feel a decent shot? will morphine be more noticeable than oxycodone, i find a 100mg of morphine a lot better than 160mg of oxy.

any tips tricks and advice well appreciated.

and also i have managed to get out of the cycle of destructive using, and got a lot of benefits from staying on methadone, but every now and then i would like a nice opiate stone, cause its still early days. Even 10 dollars of kava has a better effect than 2 80s if you know what i mean so oxys are a complete waste, hell i feel more off a cigarette! Or should i just accept that the program is working and move on. Cause i would mind a better life too.

-f

 

[Dr_F]

Or should i just accept that the program is working and move on. Cause i would mind a better life too.
-f

I think you just answered your own question

And as a harm reduction forum, we accept that people live their own lives and make their own decisions, but that doesn't mean we'll say, "hey, try xyz it's even stronger and more addictive than what you're using!"



On a personal note, having been on bupe maintenance over a year now with the doc getting ready to begin a taper, I have periodically still come off of it for 24-48 hrs. to use DHC- granted, not the most powerful full mu agonist, but a full mu agonist nevertheless; 2500mg in Continus tabs isn't a thrill ride, but throw in (unsafe) amounts of a barbiturate (CYP450 inducer) and
Hell, I've even found that I can use both bupe and shoot a "first generation bupe" not widely abused since the 60's and get high off it.
That and spiking MPH and midazolam in unsafe amounts (often unconscious b/f I can get the [10ml rig ]needle out)....

Point is, when I'm taking my meds as Rx'ed, and doing what I'm supposed to for therapy, my life is better, even if just baby steps, then when I'm fucking around

 

[sumerian]

Im on 150mg of methadone,


and apart from tramadol of all things ive found it really hard to notice any opiates when i use them anymore. i know methadone has a blockade effect at that dose, and the only way to feel something is to use unsafe amounts of oxy and i cant justify wasting 150 dollars on the shit to get a buzz for half an hour. How long do i have to go without my dose to feel a decent shot? will morphine be more noticeable than oxycodone, i find a 100mg of morphine a lot better than 160mg of oxy.

any tips tricks and advice well appreciated.

and also i have managed to get out of the cycle of destructive using, and got a lot of benefits from staying on methadone, but every now and then i would like a nice opiate stone, cause its still early days. Even 10 dollars of kava has a better effect than 2 80s if you know what i mean so oxys are a complete waste, hell i feel more off a cigarette! Or should i just accept that the program is working and move on. Cause i would mind a better life too.

-f

what you need to do is lower your dosage of methadone. there is no reason for anyone, no matter what your level of opiate usage is, to be on such a high dosage. Methadone, is a very dangerous opiate. It has taken countless lives, with doses at only 50mg! You should work your way down, start taking 125mg the next day, then take 100, go down 25 mg a day till you get to about 75mg. You will feel kinda shitty, yeah, but its the only way your going to lower your tolerance. Once you get your dosage lowered, underneath 100mgs a day at least, then you can start to get high again. BUT, understand, you can kill yourself very easily by mixing any other opiate with methadone. People always laugh it off or say "my tolerance is high" but, ive seen it. Dude was perfectly normal, chilling, high, then he just fell over and died. Methadone mixed with heroin. Not tryin to preach to the choir, but, try to keep your dosage down, and eventually, you will be back to actually getting high off small amounts. imagine doing 10 mg of methadone and getting high?? wouldnt that be nice? it could happen if you had the determination to do it, and the will power. just bring it down a tad and youll be good bro, trust me. you wont die, just deal with the pain, and youll be straight..

 

[drewskie]

^^^^ Hey Sumerian, that is the absolute worst idea that I have ever heard. I am on mmt and I'm at 120mgs. That is still not holding me for 24 hours. The OP is trying to get off of drugs. Don't you think that if he lowers his dose that he will most definitely begin to use regularly again. I think so, because I would. And NO ONE should EVER drop 25mg a day, I doubt the clinic would even let you do that if you wanted to. Someone would definitely start using then because they would be going into withdrawls. Please know what the fuck you are talking about before you give someone horrible advice.

Sumerian, by the way, how many 10mg fentanyl patches are you smoking a day? Because I was smoking an average of three a day plus lots of oxy and H. So for us really bad opiate addicts, 150mgs is high, but not ridiculous like you make it sound.

Congrats on trying to get help Fluxy. Good luck at the clinic.

 

[Chaos Butterfly]

shifting from homeless to Other Drugs. OD mods if this is inappropriate, please unapprove/close as required.

 

[jamesBrown]

Im on 150mg of methadone,


and apart from tramadol of all things ive found it really hard to notice any opiates when i use them anymore. i know methadone has a blockade effect at that dose, and the only way to feel something is to use unsafe amounts of oxy and i cant justify wasting 150 dollars on the shit to get a buzz for half an hour. How long do i have to go without my dose to feel a decent shot? will morphine be more noticeable than oxycodone, i find a 100mg of morphine a lot better than 160mg of oxy.

any tips tricks and advice well appreciated.

and also i have managed to get out of the cycle of destructive using, and got a lot of benefits from staying on methadone, but every now and then i would like a nice opiate stone, cause its still early days. Even 10 dollars of kava has a better effect than 2 80s if you know what i mean so oxys are a complete waste, hell i feel more off a cigarette! Or should i just accept that the program is working and move on. Cause i would mind a better life too.

-f

First of all, this has no harm reduction potential so it should/will be closed...

also, i think you should think about your statement..."should i just accept that the program is working and move on"....and run with it.

Move on to bigger and better things than a chemically injected high.

(I have to admit that I IV suboxone everyday but its to keep from using heroin which forced me to lead a MUCH more destructive lifestyle)....but im trying my best to move on to better things like I suggested to you.

 

[Diacetyl_Morphine]

Actually, I've been dropped 50mg in a day. It was outrageous, from then on 10mg every day until 0mg. All because I had a migraine, they thought I was abusing my benzos, and refused to do a pill count. Bullshit. Anyway, I never got any breakthrough from booting a g of h, doing oxy, or anything like that. I think the most luck I had was fentanyl. If I were you I'd just appreciate the program though. If my vehicle wasn't fucked, and the nearest clinic wasn't an hour away, I would probably go back.

 

[BlueberryfishY]

None worth trying, especially on that high of a dose.

would be an epic waste.

 

[raver2008]

Yeah it would take massive ammounts of something really strong like fent to actually do anything and even then it wouldnt feel all that great. Even at half your dose its almost impossible to get a good high

 

[jamesBrown]

Seroiously, just dont bother unless you like REALLY expensive placebo effects.

 

[tablehead]

I took 10mg of methadone about 5 hours ago and then snorted a 4mg dilaudid just now, I still have some tollerance and had an opiate heavy day yesterday so this shudnt b a problem right? I forgot how people say its dangerouse to mix

 

[jamesBrown]

I took 10mg of methadone about 5 hours ago and then snorted a 4mg dilaudid just now, I still have some tollerance and had an opiate heavy day yesterday so this shudnt b a problem right? I forgot how people say its dangerouse to mix

why would it be a problem?

your just taking two full agonist opiates in doses that arent too big...especially for someone with opiate experience. i dont see a problem here.

sounds to me like your in for a good night.

 

[BlueberryfishY]

I took 10mg of methadone about 5 hours ago and then snorted a 4mg dilaudid just now, I still have some tollerance and had an opiate heavy day yesterday so this shudnt b a problem right? I forgot how people say its dangerouse to mix

If you already have a decent tolerance to Opiates then taking what you said you have shouldn't be a problem at all, although i wouldn't recommend mixing the Hydromorphone with the Methadone, i would do them seperet especially with Hydromorphone that stuff is really strong with will give you a good nod.

The Methadone i would save and maybe get a couple Xanax bars to go with it, bars potentiate Methadone real nice but go easy.

 

[HeroinGoblin]

Methadone should have a nickname... something like the great barrier wall lol. You'd have to shoot massive amounts of H or fent and its really dangerous. if you must mix it with something, id say some benzos but take it easy.

 

[SubDude]

Fluxy... I can tell you from many yrs experience that 150mg of methadone is a relatively high dose and most addicts get on with their lives on less. Don't know your history, age, or how long you've been on MMT... but if you're young and hope to "mature out", I'd suggest you get with dr/counselor and discuss exactly what's going on. It's likely related to something in your personal life because you shouldn't have any cravings on your dose level. Since this was previously in the "Homeless" category, I'll assume thats the case. However, if not... and you are [or plan to be] a long term MMT there are a couple of fairly safe ways to get a buzz while on MMT.... and it's not by using other opiates. It's been a few weeks since you've posted here so I'll await your reply before discussing further...

 

[leigh12]

ask that michael dude , umm forgot his last name

they called him wacko jacko i think

just dnt get too close he might try fiddle with ur doodle from the grave

 

[tablehead]

Why would you use any at such a high dose. Dangerouse and I doubt you would feel anything off a safe dose. You could shoot some Heroin get high then die, buttt wtf.

Dont take 150mg of done and just use some dope or oxy that day, you will get high from that instead.

 

[BaybeX]

If you already have a decent tolerance to Opiates then taking what you said you have shouldn't be a problem at all, although i wouldn't recommend mixing the Hydromorphone with the Methadone, i would do them seperet especially with Hydromorphone that stuff is really strong with will give you a good nod.

The Methadone i would save and maybe get a couple Xanax bars to go with it, bars potentiate Methadone real nice but go easy.

Not the best advice for someone with a low tolerance..
Unless respiratory depression is your thing.

 

[jamesBrown]

Not the best advice for someone with a low tolerance..Unless respiratory depression is your thing.

Im pretty sure he said he had a big tolerance to opiates.....why would you criticize someones advice without knowing whats goin on here.

"Unless respiratory depression is your thing."......no need to be an asshole.

Just try to be nice next time.....

but if the poster was someone who had no tolerance to opiates than yes, it would be a bad idea to mix benzo's into the mix as well, unless the poster had a tolerance to benzo's, and even then you would still need to be very careful.
Like the asshole said...it could cause dangerous respiratory depression.

 

[morphonorconic]

I don't think she's meaning to be an asshole; she's just telling it like it is. I've had two friends overdose from Methadone and Benzos mixed. One of them didn't survive, and the other barely made it, only because his girlfriend found him in the nick of time. They both, to put it simply, quit breathing.