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Some years ago! a friend gave me a small plastic bag with about 200mg of NN DMT in it, I stuck it somewhere and promptly forgot about it, then months later when I remembered him giving it to me I searched and searched and could never find it, every few months I would think about it and do another half hearted search but as the years have passed I pretty much gave up and wrote it off as having been thrown out in a clean up sometime or just lost forever.
Queen - Live at Wembly Stadium - DVD Boxed Special Edition !
It was in that, after all this time I found it last night lol.
When I first saw it all that time ago it was a whitish crystal type powder with a slight orange tinge. Now it's dark orange still crystal looking but kind of oily or something, definitely not powder anyway, and it has a very strong chemical smell that is just like DMT funnily enough lol.
Anyway I know I could have done some research and asked the folks over in ADD or PD how to do the re reaction reduction lab fixer upper technique whatsamithingy and brought it back to life but fuck that lol...
I'm too old for all that shit, I did what cheech and chong would have done, rolled a massive weed and tobacco bunger and sprinkled the whole lot of the DMT in the back half of the joint !
I rolled it really well, not too firm, not too loose, it had about 3 grams of skunk in it as well as the tobacco and was a pretty fucking mean looking contraption even without the spice kicker. I gently waved my lighter up and down the J and warmed it up a little bit, just enough to make the DMT melt a bit but not enough to start it vaporizing, it's a delicate thing. takes a bit of zen but there is a sweet spot, just want it to spread itself out through the smoking mix nice and evenly, I've seen it do that to steel wool when you use the DMT machine with the little bottle and I figured it would do a similar thing if i heated up the joint a bit.
Now .... I know there are going to be DMT lovers out there who are going to rush forward and start typing furiously in an air clawing rage and try telling me that the heat will destroy the DMT and that it wont work and here are all the different right ways to smoke the sacred spirit molecule blah blah blah, yes, of course I know all that, I've done it that way and I've been to the bloody dome and I've seen McKenna's Tykes and it's fucking chaos in there lol, all very impressive and quite astounding but it's just not my thing, I like my mushrooms, McKenna may have been a bit of a nut but he did say a few wise things about the psychedelic experience, he said find which substance or plant you seem to have an affinity with and are comfortable with and concentrate on cultivating and developing a relationship with that one, and for me personally mushrooms have been the tryptamine that seems to suit my path.
So this was never intended to be an attempt at a breakthrough, I was curious about whether smoking it in a joint would actually destroy the alkaloid as most people seem to say, because I don't doubt the science behind the claims but I have also read dozens of reports where people say they just sprinkled it on a bong or in a joint and it worked just fine. also the amounts all seemed right for the experiment, 200mg is a hearty and effective dose of DMT if it's strong, fresh, pure and done in a vape, but this was 200mg of old, oily, slimy, dark orange, badly stored mush so I was 99.9% sure it hadn't matured and got stronger lol, it's not red wine.
Now, not being a DMT expert by any means the jury is still out as far as I'm concerned about whether smoking DMT works best in daylight or in darkness, with mushrooms I will always take them at night in darkness or near darkness because thats the only way to get the visions I am after with them, but McKenna reckoned his perfect setting for DMT was on a bright open gently sloping hillside in full afternoon sun so I'm a bit confused about the whole thing, the few times I had it back in the 1990's it was always at night and because the world just got swapped out and replaced with elf land you weren't really looking at your physical surrounding so I never really thought about the daylight V darkness thing until I heard McKenna say that.
Well I went for silent darkness, when in doubt go with your instinct.
I started with a small candle nothing else, I had put 80% of the DMT in the 2nd half of the joint hoping this would allow me to get the thing glowing nice and slowly and evenly and this would allow me to transfer the heat slowly up into the DMT as the receding glowing tip got closer to it, sure enough after the first couple of centimeters I started to get that acrid chemical smell and taste of vapourising DMT, by the time I was 1/3 through the ratio of weed/DMT in the taste was about 70/30 % and I was getting a strange tingly bubbly popping sensation on the roof of my mouth, no visuals yet.
Just before the half way point of this outrageous joint I hit the start of the DMT for real, I took 3 slow gentle tokes and eased the glowing mound down into the alchemical mulch a millimeter or 2 at a time, then holding those 3 tokes in together I took the joint from my lips and did one massive deep inhale of air, really filled my lungs, stopped halfway through that in-breath and took 2 more tokes of the joint and then expanded my chest cavity out to maximum, it felt like I had filled my entire torso with air and smoke, now... hold it..... hold it...., fuck I'm not as young as i used to be lol.... hold it....now don't just blast it all out in huge ball of smoke, that's how you get mad coughing fits, just one long controlled medium slow exhale, nose and mouth together, a hugh sigh..... pheeeeeeew.
Starting to feel it hit, a rumble or rush of something is building down in my heart area, I close my eyes and there are layers and layers of thin orange grids shimmering and sliding over a black background, I feel... hmmm I don't know how I feel.... it's kind of familiar in an unfamiliar kind of way, fuck how do you say it, well I can sense it's a tryptamine in a way that I just can't explain, but at the same time i can remember searching my mind and memories to see if there was any part of my mushroom knowledge that was going to be helpfull or needed here, I searched the colours sparkling around behind the orange grids, nope, definitely not mushroom colours, not really LSD colours either, the orange had this kind of rusty metallic coppery hue to it but there were no exploding blobs or spots of the red puple and blue iridescent colours that mushrooms invoke.
This all took about 10 second and about 3 breaths after the big lung full of DMT was exhaled, i was thinking and making decisions fast, there was no doubt that whatever degradation that may of occurred inside the Queen DVD Box this stuff was working and starting to produce effects far in access of just what the weed alone would have done, it tasted like DMT even though the initial onset effects were not mappable onto my earlier DMT experiences. In the space of a few moments I considered the risks, considered the set and setting, considered the dose and the strongest worst/best case scenario and decided i was up for the adventure and repeated step 1 to 3 another 3 or 4 times, so each time i gently coaxed the glowing embers down over centimeter or so of the joint and then really filled my lungs to max with air, held it for a good 10 to 20 seconds and then huffed it out with a big long sigh.
As the last out-breath of by now thick acrid bitter DMT smoke left my mouth I opened my eyes just enough to see the glow of the joint tip about half an arms length away from my face, in the microseconds it took to bring that into focus the glowing light of it suddenly shot away into the distant bardos of the black galactic plane behind the orange grids which were now glowing much brighter and shifting and spinning around me, I realized as i shifted my attention around to the edges of my perception that i was actually inside stacks and stacks of these wire-frame orange latticework boxes and they were starting to tumble forward and backwards and sideways each layer spinning on its own central invisible axis point like a spinning bingo ball selector or something, i got the word BINGO flash into my mind for an instant and then there was a solid white cross with blue striped edges that expanded up from a tiny point of white light until it completely filled my screen of vision until everything was just solid white light, kind of like a transition wipe if you were editing a 4d video in adobe premiere CS2050 future edition lol.
I just about had enough co-ordination left to put the joint down and blow out he candle before I lost muscular control, or the will to exert it, and flopped down on the pillow into the darkness, I could feel my fingers on my left hand doing this weird involuntary curling up and twitching thing but it wasn't painful or too distracting, just novel and compared the the absolute body wracking that mushrooms can give you sometimes wasn't bad at all, when I stopped giving it my attention it stopped happening, and that wasn't hard to do because believe me my attention was urgently required elsewhere at this point.
One of the things I never really was comfortable with DMT was just how fast everything happens, it's like taking a 6 hour mushroom trip, digitizing it, taking out anything that was too organic and them compressing it down into 10 minutes, I love the way mushrooms spread out and come in 5 or 6 waves over 4 or 5 hours, each wave being about 20 minutes of pressure or intense shit happening and then then 30 minutes to process it, have a laugh or a cry or both or whatever is required, maybe a few tokes on a joint before you get to steel yourself somewhat for the next wave which you know will not be a strong as the last one and seeing as you made it through that you are pretty much home and dry now and can usually sit back and really relax and enjoy the dialog with the mushroom for the rest of the trip, I've always had mushroom trips that went bad or were just too strong or scary or strange happen in the first 1 or 2 waves, that's where you get shredded and are left floating in the ocean of consciousness surrounded by the remnants of your smashed ego boat, clinging to an oar, suspended over the black benthic depths of the hyperspace ocean, fuck me, what am i talking about hahhaha.....
Ok back to the DMT.....
Oh yes, the speed at which shit happens on it, well fuck me this time was no accept ion, once that big white cross filled the world with white light I entered the realm of the bizarre, for a good 3 minutes that felt more like a whole day I lay there with looping stuttering restarting visual cut scenes and rebootings that were .... well just fucking ODD, strange, how the hell do you describe something that is a combination of memory, glass, old radios, five year old tears and a pun about a polar bear all running backwards and forwards in a space that wasn't big enough to hold it all, that's a good metaphor, it felt like the universe had somehow gotten itself into a space that was too small for itself and bits of it were bursting out, like trying to hold a wild cat in a cardboard box that he doesn't want to be in and is starting to freak out, claws, legs, and head is starting to push upwards and poke through the box flaps as you fanatically try and hold them shut, crazy land, circus time.
As the universe folded and oozed and bent around me as it jostled with itself for space that didn't exist I noticed my breathing had increased hugely, not in rapidity but in strength, i had started taking in huge deep breaths, really powerful strapping chested lung fulls, I felt like an army PT instructor about to take the SAS on a 30 mile run over the frozen welsh mountains, standing outside the landrover at the first LUP taking in the bracing morning air, deep breaths, healthy as fuck, I felt like eating a banana at that point, don't ask me why.
This happening too fast thing is really an issue for me, at this point it's probably less than 3 minutes since it let out the last big toke and physically and psychologically I felt as exhausted as if I'd just done the first 3 hours of a mushroom trip, now I know that I haven't had enough of a solid hit to get a breakthrough to elf land but like I said I never really expected that out of tonight so being able to ride out that first 3 minute onslaught was a treat, and I remember thinking at least once "thank god this is short acting" because even sub breakthrough things were pushing a little too close to the edges of strange for comfort.
In the darkness I managed to reach out and get a hold of the lighter and the last 3rd of the joint, I managed 2 medium tokes of it untill it all just got too much and I melted into the bed. I lay there for 10 minutes or so, just bathed in strangeness that was odd but very enjoyable, I never saw the spinning orange grids again on the way back down, in fact I guess as it wore off i drifted off to sleep at some point.
So that answered the question for me about smoking DMT in a joint, I know it shouldn't work, I know it's a heathen method of administration but hey, it worked just fine and the results were mid way up the intense scale but uplifting and hugely relaxing and fun.
can't see me repeating the experience or even really bothering about DMT again, I'll stick to my mushrooms thanks.
trip safe people
cheers
webby.
Queen - Live at Wembly Stadium - DVD Boxed Special Edition !
It was in that, after all this time I found it last night lol.
When I first saw it all that time ago it was a whitish crystal type powder with a slight orange tinge. Now it's dark orange still crystal looking but kind of oily or something, definitely not powder anyway, and it has a very strong chemical smell that is just like DMT funnily enough lol.
Anyway I know I could have done some research and asked the folks over in ADD or PD how to do the re reaction reduction lab fixer upper technique whatsamithingy and brought it back to life but fuck that lol...
I'm too old for all that shit, I did what cheech and chong would have done, rolled a massive weed and tobacco bunger and sprinkled the whole lot of the DMT in the back half of the joint !
I rolled it really well, not too firm, not too loose, it had about 3 grams of skunk in it as well as the tobacco and was a pretty fucking mean looking contraption even without the spice kicker. I gently waved my lighter up and down the J and warmed it up a little bit, just enough to make the DMT melt a bit but not enough to start it vaporizing, it's a delicate thing. takes a bit of zen but there is a sweet spot, just want it to spread itself out through the smoking mix nice and evenly, I've seen it do that to steel wool when you use the DMT machine with the little bottle and I figured it would do a similar thing if i heated up the joint a bit.
Now .... I know there are going to be DMT lovers out there who are going to rush forward and start typing furiously in an air clawing rage and try telling me that the heat will destroy the DMT and that it wont work and here are all the different right ways to smoke the sacred spirit molecule blah blah blah, yes, of course I know all that, I've done it that way and I've been to the bloody dome and I've seen McKenna's Tykes and it's fucking chaos in there lol, all very impressive and quite astounding but it's just not my thing, I like my mushrooms, McKenna may have been a bit of a nut but he did say a few wise things about the psychedelic experience, he said find which substance or plant you seem to have an affinity with and are comfortable with and concentrate on cultivating and developing a relationship with that one, and for me personally mushrooms have been the tryptamine that seems to suit my path.
So this was never intended to be an attempt at a breakthrough, I was curious about whether smoking it in a joint would actually destroy the alkaloid as most people seem to say, because I don't doubt the science behind the claims but I have also read dozens of reports where people say they just sprinkled it on a bong or in a joint and it worked just fine. also the amounts all seemed right for the experiment, 200mg is a hearty and effective dose of DMT if it's strong, fresh, pure and done in a vape, but this was 200mg of old, oily, slimy, dark orange, badly stored mush so I was 99.9% sure it hadn't matured and got stronger lol, it's not red wine.
Now, not being a DMT expert by any means the jury is still out as far as I'm concerned about whether smoking DMT works best in daylight or in darkness, with mushrooms I will always take them at night in darkness or near darkness because thats the only way to get the visions I am after with them, but McKenna reckoned his perfect setting for DMT was on a bright open gently sloping hillside in full afternoon sun so I'm a bit confused about the whole thing, the few times I had it back in the 1990's it was always at night and because the world just got swapped out and replaced with elf land you weren't really looking at your physical surrounding so I never really thought about the daylight V darkness thing until I heard McKenna say that.
Well I went for silent darkness, when in doubt go with your instinct.
I started with a small candle nothing else, I had put 80% of the DMT in the 2nd half of the joint hoping this would allow me to get the thing glowing nice and slowly and evenly and this would allow me to transfer the heat slowly up into the DMT as the receding glowing tip got closer to it, sure enough after the first couple of centimeters I started to get that acrid chemical smell and taste of vapourising DMT, by the time I was 1/3 through the ratio of weed/DMT in the taste was about 70/30 % and I was getting a strange tingly bubbly popping sensation on the roof of my mouth, no visuals yet.
Just before the half way point of this outrageous joint I hit the start of the DMT for real, I took 3 slow gentle tokes and eased the glowing mound down into the alchemical mulch a millimeter or 2 at a time, then holding those 3 tokes in together I took the joint from my lips and did one massive deep inhale of air, really filled my lungs, stopped halfway through that in-breath and took 2 more tokes of the joint and then expanded my chest cavity out to maximum, it felt like I had filled my entire torso with air and smoke, now... hold it..... hold it...., fuck I'm not as young as i used to be lol.... hold it....now don't just blast it all out in huge ball of smoke, that's how you get mad coughing fits, just one long controlled medium slow exhale, nose and mouth together, a hugh sigh..... pheeeeeeew.
Starting to feel it hit, a rumble or rush of something is building down in my heart area, I close my eyes and there are layers and layers of thin orange grids shimmering and sliding over a black background, I feel... hmmm I don't know how I feel.... it's kind of familiar in an unfamiliar kind of way, fuck how do you say it, well I can sense it's a tryptamine in a way that I just can't explain, but at the same time i can remember searching my mind and memories to see if there was any part of my mushroom knowledge that was going to be helpfull or needed here, I searched the colours sparkling around behind the orange grids, nope, definitely not mushroom colours, not really LSD colours either, the orange had this kind of rusty metallic coppery hue to it but there were no exploding blobs or spots of the red puple and blue iridescent colours that mushrooms invoke.
This all took about 10 second and about 3 breaths after the big lung full of DMT was exhaled, i was thinking and making decisions fast, there was no doubt that whatever degradation that may of occurred inside the Queen DVD Box this stuff was working and starting to produce effects far in access of just what the weed alone would have done, it tasted like DMT even though the initial onset effects were not mappable onto my earlier DMT experiences. In the space of a few moments I considered the risks, considered the set and setting, considered the dose and the strongest worst/best case scenario and decided i was up for the adventure and repeated step 1 to 3 another 3 or 4 times, so each time i gently coaxed the glowing embers down over centimeter or so of the joint and then really filled my lungs to max with air, held it for a good 10 to 20 seconds and then huffed it out with a big long sigh.
As the last out-breath of by now thick acrid bitter DMT smoke left my mouth I opened my eyes just enough to see the glow of the joint tip about half an arms length away from my face, in the microseconds it took to bring that into focus the glowing light of it suddenly shot away into the distant bardos of the black galactic plane behind the orange grids which were now glowing much brighter and shifting and spinning around me, I realized as i shifted my attention around to the edges of my perception that i was actually inside stacks and stacks of these wire-frame orange latticework boxes and they were starting to tumble forward and backwards and sideways each layer spinning on its own central invisible axis point like a spinning bingo ball selector or something, i got the word BINGO flash into my mind for an instant and then there was a solid white cross with blue striped edges that expanded up from a tiny point of white light until it completely filled my screen of vision until everything was just solid white light, kind of like a transition wipe if you were editing a 4d video in adobe premiere CS2050 future edition lol.
I just about had enough co-ordination left to put the joint down and blow out he candle before I lost muscular control, or the will to exert it, and flopped down on the pillow into the darkness, I could feel my fingers on my left hand doing this weird involuntary curling up and twitching thing but it wasn't painful or too distracting, just novel and compared the the absolute body wracking that mushrooms can give you sometimes wasn't bad at all, when I stopped giving it my attention it stopped happening, and that wasn't hard to do because believe me my attention was urgently required elsewhere at this point.
One of the things I never really was comfortable with DMT was just how fast everything happens, it's like taking a 6 hour mushroom trip, digitizing it, taking out anything that was too organic and them compressing it down into 10 minutes, I love the way mushrooms spread out and come in 5 or 6 waves over 4 or 5 hours, each wave being about 20 minutes of pressure or intense shit happening and then then 30 minutes to process it, have a laugh or a cry or both or whatever is required, maybe a few tokes on a joint before you get to steel yourself somewhat for the next wave which you know will not be a strong as the last one and seeing as you made it through that you are pretty much home and dry now and can usually sit back and really relax and enjoy the dialog with the mushroom for the rest of the trip, I've always had mushroom trips that went bad or were just too strong or scary or strange happen in the first 1 or 2 waves, that's where you get shredded and are left floating in the ocean of consciousness surrounded by the remnants of your smashed ego boat, clinging to an oar, suspended over the black benthic depths of the hyperspace ocean, fuck me, what am i talking about hahhaha.....
Ok back to the DMT.....
Oh yes, the speed at which shit happens on it, well fuck me this time was no accept ion, once that big white cross filled the world with white light I entered the realm of the bizarre, for a good 3 minutes that felt more like a whole day I lay there with looping stuttering restarting visual cut scenes and rebootings that were .... well just fucking ODD, strange, how the hell do you describe something that is a combination of memory, glass, old radios, five year old tears and a pun about a polar bear all running backwards and forwards in a space that wasn't big enough to hold it all, that's a good metaphor, it felt like the universe had somehow gotten itself into a space that was too small for itself and bits of it were bursting out, like trying to hold a wild cat in a cardboard box that he doesn't want to be in and is starting to freak out, claws, legs, and head is starting to push upwards and poke through the box flaps as you fanatically try and hold them shut, crazy land, circus time.
As the universe folded and oozed and bent around me as it jostled with itself for space that didn't exist I noticed my breathing had increased hugely, not in rapidity but in strength, i had started taking in huge deep breaths, really powerful strapping chested lung fulls, I felt like an army PT instructor about to take the SAS on a 30 mile run over the frozen welsh mountains, standing outside the landrover at the first LUP taking in the bracing morning air, deep breaths, healthy as fuck, I felt like eating a banana at that point, don't ask me why.
This happening too fast thing is really an issue for me, at this point it's probably less than 3 minutes since it let out the last big toke and physically and psychologically I felt as exhausted as if I'd just done the first 3 hours of a mushroom trip, now I know that I haven't had enough of a solid hit to get a breakthrough to elf land but like I said I never really expected that out of tonight so being able to ride out that first 3 minute onslaught was a treat, and I remember thinking at least once "thank god this is short acting" because even sub breakthrough things were pushing a little too close to the edges of strange for comfort.
In the darkness I managed to reach out and get a hold of the lighter and the last 3rd of the joint, I managed 2 medium tokes of it untill it all just got too much and I melted into the bed. I lay there for 10 minutes or so, just bathed in strangeness that was odd but very enjoyable, I never saw the spinning orange grids again on the way back down, in fact I guess as it wore off i drifted off to sleep at some point.
So that answered the question for me about smoking DMT in a joint, I know it shouldn't work, I know it's a heathen method of administration but hey, it worked just fine and the results were mid way up the intense scale but uplifting and hugely relaxing and fun.
can't see me repeating the experience or even really bothering about DMT again, I'll stick to my mushrooms thanks.
trip safe people
cheers
webby.
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