Wd was actually at most an annoyance with taper but I thought it was supposed to help with the mad cravings too. I get that it didn't but it's like an amp turn to 11 just sitting there buzzing and all I want to do is smash the motherfucker to shut it up. I can honestly get my hands on about anything any suggestions that isn't opiates (doc)? To tune it out if for just a bit? Note benzos worthless and pot didn't help. I'm scared to take the clonidine patches off also I actually think they might be doing work still.
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okay when will the mad cravings turn down from 11
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ForEverAfter
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Doubt this is going to help, but I'll say it anyway.
I find tapering, and/or compensating for withdrawals by consuming other drugs, to be more difficult (in some ways) than cold turkey. It gives your addiction hope, that it will survive. I came off methadone cold turkey, about a year and a half ago. It was unpleasant, but at least I got off the shit. Kind of like ripping a Band-Aid off, rather than peeling it, only much more exaggerated.
If you keep using drugs to treat the withdrawal symptoms of other drugs, you might well end up taking MUCH longer than you'd like to get clean. When I start making exceptions to my sobriety, I find myself slipping towards (potential) relapse.
You're not going to like this suggestion, but here goes:
Do a massive amount of exercise. Don't go to a gym. Best not to be around people, that can trigger your anxiety. Just go for a walk. A couple of hours might do it. But, hell, walk all day if you have to. Walk until you can crash as soon as you get home. Don't reward yourself. Just sleep. Then do it again, the next day.
I'm not sure what your situation is like. If you're working at the moment, get some time. Most doctors will give you a vague medical certificate, if you're making a genuine effort to withdraw from heavy drug use. If you can't get time off work to go to rehab, or recover on your own, then maybe think about quitting your job (assuming that you can support yourself financially until you get back on your feet). No job is worth letting an addiction rule your life.
I took a long time getting clean. Played around with all sorts of different "tapering" strategies. In the end, for me, the best thing was cold turkey. The cravings won't last forever. You need to power through them and get to the other side. Addiction will tempt you to compensate with alcohol or weed or whatever, because it wants to survive (in some form).
If you're really struggling, despite your best efforts, it's better to knock yourself out - I reckon - than to compensate by getting high/drunk. If you go to a doctor and claim insomnia, they might prescribe you a couple of sleeping pills. That will get you through 48 hours. As for marijuana "not working", try eating 3-4 grams worth of edibles. Should knock you out for a solid day.
Sorry if I said the wrong thing... and sorry I couldn't be more help.
God speed.
I find tapering, and/or compensating for withdrawals by consuming other drugs, to be more difficult (in some ways) than cold turkey. It gives your addiction hope, that it will survive. I came off methadone cold turkey, about a year and a half ago. It was unpleasant, but at least I got off the shit. Kind of like ripping a Band-Aid off, rather than peeling it, only much more exaggerated.
If you keep using drugs to treat the withdrawal symptoms of other drugs, you might well end up taking MUCH longer than you'd like to get clean. When I start making exceptions to my sobriety, I find myself slipping towards (potential) relapse.
You're not going to like this suggestion, but here goes:
Do a massive amount of exercise. Don't go to a gym. Best not to be around people, that can trigger your anxiety. Just go for a walk. A couple of hours might do it. But, hell, walk all day if you have to. Walk until you can crash as soon as you get home. Don't reward yourself. Just sleep. Then do it again, the next day.
I'm not sure what your situation is like. If you're working at the moment, get some time. Most doctors will give you a vague medical certificate, if you're making a genuine effort to withdraw from heavy drug use. If you can't get time off work to go to rehab, or recover on your own, then maybe think about quitting your job (assuming that you can support yourself financially until you get back on your feet). No job is worth letting an addiction rule your life.
I took a long time getting clean. Played around with all sorts of different "tapering" strategies. In the end, for me, the best thing was cold turkey. The cravings won't last forever. You need to power through them and get to the other side. Addiction will tempt you to compensate with alcohol or weed or whatever, because it wants to survive (in some form).
If you're really struggling, despite your best efforts, it's better to knock yourself out - I reckon - than to compensate by getting high/drunk. If you go to a doctor and claim insomnia, they might prescribe you a couple of sleeping pills. That will get you through 48 hours. As for marijuana "not working", try eating 3-4 grams worth of edibles. Should knock you out for a solid day.
Sorry if I said the wrong thing... and sorry I couldn't be more help.
God speed.
Nah makes sense, yeah I really want to do the walk thing but at home with my kiddies. As for cold turkey tried that before tapering for the same reason but ended up in the hospital getting pumped back full of opiates (how often does someone in wd get opiates in an er? That's how bad off I was). So called my pain doc and he essentially called me an idiot and put me on a taper and I quit 3~4weeks later. 10years on 104mg d a day.
straightrazor
Bluelighter
Cravings can last a long time and have the potential to come out of nowhere even when you have been clean for extended periods. Sobriety is about learning to live with the cravings rather than succumbing to them.
ForEverAfter
Ex-Bluelighter
What I'm saying - I guess - is go cold turkey from (even the idea of) compensatory drug use. Like razor said, above, you've got to learn to accept the finality of being sober. I get that you're scared, believe me, I do, but I'd seriously think about taking off the clonidine patch. Even if it's not doing much. It is a symbol. The fact that you're scared to go without it, and that you're asking for other drug suggestions, means that you haven't come to terms with the idea of life completely and utterly without drugs.
How long has it been since you tapered off, successfully?
Do you have access to a family member that could look after the kids, while you exercise? Or, an affordable child-care service?
It probably sounds like trite to you (it did to me, back in the day), but I find diet and exercise to be a pretty decent drug. When I'm sober for long periods of time - like now - I consume only raw, vegan, non-processed food with no added sugar. It helps my body recover MUCH faster, gives me massive rushes of natural/healthy energy throughout the day and ensures that I sleep well at night. It requires extra discipline and dedication. (You'll be adding junk food cravings to your list of problems.) But, it's worth it.
How long has it been since you tapered off, successfully?
Do you have access to a family member that could look after the kids, while you exercise? Or, an affordable child-care service?
It probably sounds like trite to you (it did to me, back in the day), but I find diet and exercise to be a pretty decent drug. When I'm sober for long periods of time - like now - I consume only raw, vegan, non-processed food with no added sugar. It helps my body recover MUCH faster, gives me massive rushes of natural/healthy energy throughout the day and ensures that I sleep well at night. It requires extra discipline and dedication. (You'll be adding junk food cravings to your list of problems.) But, it's worth it.
Yup.
It gets easier with time but they still happen. Sometimes randomly, but most often when I am upset or stressed. Why? Because it was my major coping mechanism. Its easy to be clean when shit is going well. When things are difficult is the challenge (and the largest potential for growth).
My cravings now are often "Well you can go have a beer now, just don't use anything else." or "You know you are going to smoke weed again at some point, I am sure its okay now" (I don't plan on smoking weed or using again, that is the crazy part).... tricky tricky shit.
methamaniac
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Even if you do score your going to be right back in same boat tmrw. That's the insanity of addiction. You just keep doing it even know the ends are always the same.
I also find the cold turkey method works much better. Done both several times and cold turkey isn't really much different to me in terms of withdrawl. AND it is a whole lot less drawn out.
Good luck and 11on the rictor scale of cravings is tough.
I also find the cold turkey method works much better. Done both several times and cold turkey isn't really much different to me in terms of withdrawl. AND it is a whole lot less drawn out.
Good luck and 11on the rictor scale of cravings is tough.
Well today is day 15 and they are more like a 4 instead of an 11. Yeah I have been doing shit that has been needed to be done. However I am at the end of my rope today. I finally have money again and all I want to do is go score. Kids I watch during the day. And the worst part is I am so much happier sober but today is just a bad day and I am at the end of my fucking wits. I have benzos but that is exclusively for sleep (didn't get them for wd had them before. I never took them after I had light craving when I an out once a year ago, started taking them to sleep 11 days ago or so.). I have beer but I am shitting enough as it is. I am too lethargic to get out. It really has been a fucking roller coaster.
ForEverAfter
Ex-Bluelighter
Don't do it. You're doing really well. Sounds like you've powered through the worst of your withdrawals.
It's harder to deal with bad days, when you're used to being able to dose them away. It's something you've got to get used to.
Like withdrawals, this won't last for ever. You will get used to it.
You've come so far. Stay strong.
methamaniac
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Hang in there. You sound like you got what it takes tk make it. IT is a rollercoaster ride.
You will have good days and bad days.
Keel doing stuff when you feel good, rest when you feel bad.
You just have to outlast the pain.
Using now jus going to set you back.
I'm sure u know this
Keep on keeping on
You will have good days and bad days.
Keel doing stuff when you feel good, rest when you feel bad.
You just have to outlast the pain.
Using now jus going to set you back.
I'm sure u know this
Keep on keeping on
Just A Guy
Bluelight Crew
Good luck cay -- hopefully you've been able to knock out 24 more hours... Treat yourself to a movie and dinner instead of robbing yourself for something you've already made the decision to quit.
Just A Guy
Bluelight Crew
Procrastination for the win!