Okay, Here's why I respect Deadmau5 :

to start with, do you know how obnoxious you come off as?.. before posting uninformed opinions?.. there is such a thing, but hun.. really, have you really been with the top of the top, the creme de la creme of producers to conclude that we are all uninformed, and to back up your point, which by the way I still don't know what your trying to say

is it producing is harder than djing? no shit, thats a given. It doesn't take a Harvard graduate to know this, but my point is this, although its harder, it doesn't mean whatever comes out of that computer, or studio, from insert producer doesn't mean its going to be good, or entertaining, in the least bit. It doesn't assure anyone stardom or fame, or notoriety among producers. I have nothing else to say, because I still don't really know what the hell you want to get at... I'm guessing its Djing isn't hard.. is that it?

I browsed through your article, interesting.
 
do you live in NYC? do you hang out with famed Djs, producers? what in the world gives you the idea you know more..

im a faggot, and ive been to parties, several, unique, fun, late night... exclusive parties, thats what gives me my INformed opinions. I've conversed with many non famous, and a very few, famous producers/djs.
 
you don't learn about djing/producing by hanging out with famous djs/producers as you seem to think (uninformed). it is not osmosis. you learn about it by doing it. I have done both for many years (informed). is that clearer?

my point is that while people may not like the music deadmau5 produces, they should appreciate the fact that what he does takes 100 x more talent and ability than what ANY dj does. I don't care if you don't like mozart or picasso. I don't like them either. but the fact that I don't like them does not by any means mean that I think they suck. say I like the drawing my 6 year old did for me in art class better than botticelli's primavera. that is a perfectly reasonable preference. but that preference doesn't mean botticelli's work hasn't appealed to both the critics and the masses. even if I didn't like the primavera, I am able to recognize and respect that the amount of work and artistic talent that goes into painting something like that far exceeds my 3 year old's ability.
 
okay, so producing trumps djing.

but you were arguing for deadmau5 as a live performer vs djs (what kind of dj i am not even sure).

so the producers > djs argument isn't the core of our argument.

deadmau5 as a live performer is better than some djs, sure (there are a lot of djs out there that are not worth the gear they are using).

but most djs (that i listen to at least) are much better than deadmau5 (the dj not the producer).

and i dj and i dabbled with production and i know how demanding it is. and i have friends that are producers and i've experienced the complete process of producing first hand (my credentials ;).

edit: also, i saw deadmau5 last summer and im going to see Luciano soon and he will be playing with him.

as i said before i enjoyed his set last summer (and i've downloaded many live sets since then and they are all pretty much the same). and i am fairly certain that the next set will contain around 80% the same material, plus some of his new productions in the past year which were just awful.

so its hard to do what he is doing (the same thing for almost a year). at least most djs have to prepare their set each night or week or whatever. he has done his work in his productions, but his live act is not what you are making it out to be.

as for the article, do you honestly think that good djs do just that.

you could take half the things in life and make them out to be "nothing" with the right attitude and perspective.
 
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but you don't have a live act until you have produced your own music. actually PERFORMING the act might not be any more demanding than playing a dj set (but it is certainly no less demanding), but it is the amount of work that goes into creating it in the first place. the same goes for any musician.

as for djs 'preparing their sets', you seem to be trying to have your cake and eat it too. either a dj prepares his set (which I have NEVER done), or he is able to 'read the crowd.' you can't have both. either way, the amount of 'work' that goes into getting ready to dj somewhere cannot even be compared to producing music, even if you never play the same record twice.

and yes, i think that article is pretty bang on.
 
can you post any links to some of your sets, or your own productions?

I've never encountered someone with a bigger ego than mine, so with that said, id like to listen to what you consider good material.

I'm uninformed, inform me, with your music.
 
sHiba said:
okay, so producing trumps djing.

but you were arguing for deadmau5 as a live performer vs djs (what kind of dj i am not even sure).

so the producers > djs argument isn't the core of our argument.

deadmau5 as a live performer is better than some djs, sure (there are a lot of djs out there that are not worth the gear they are using).

but most djs (that i listen to at least) are much better than deadmau5 (the dj not the producer).

and i dj and i dabbled with production and i know how demanding it is. and i have friends that are producers and i've experienced the complete process of producing first hand (my credentials ;).

edit: also, i saw deadmau5 last summer and im going to see Luciano soon and he will be playing with him.

as i said before i enjoyed his set last summer (and i've downloaded many live sets since then and they are all pretty much the same). and i am fairly certain that the next set will contain around 80% the same material, plus some of his new productions in the past year which were just awful.

so its hard to do what he is doing (the same thing for almost a year). at least most djs have to prepare their set each night or week or whatever. he has done his work in his productions, but his live act is not what you are making it out to be.

as for the article, do you honestly think that good djs do just that.

you could take half the things in life and make them out to be "nothing" with the right attitude and perspective.
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lol, but your still uninformed you know...

so its harder to produce, im glad toast proved the obvious, congrats.... but
wheres the idea that it definitely means its any good, anything original... there is such a thing as bland music, obvious, stale, just plain bad music.

Britney Spears makes some of her music, should she seriously be considered a fantastic artist? so some of her songs were written for her, she has STILL written some of her own, and she sings, that amounts to some effort required, so do we give her props? I guess so
 
toast, i think it's stupid to compare djing and producing. i also think that your blatant ripping of images from loldjs is tiresome and stupid. you are fortunate that the people that you are arguing against are so stupid..........


this whole thread is freaking stupid.
 
and yet for some reason you decided to grace us with your presence anyway. thanks for the scintillating commentary.
 
deadmau5 = good producer, crap DJ. i saw him recently in liverpool and he was a total disappointment. he didn't mix hardly at all - just bounced around in his ridiculous blinky mouse head for all the youtube kiddies who were there to catch a glimpse of the superstar instead of dance.

i do have to give him credit for achieving the DJ god status though - it's been a while since someone relatively new was put on such a pedestal.
 
cat on a leash and faxing berlin are wonderful but i agree that after a lot of listening his work can become a little repetitive
 
Don't like the ego and don't think his music warrants it. Bland, generic electrohouse.
 
toa$t said:
you don't learn about djing/producing by hanging out with famous djs/producers as you seem to think (uninformed). it is not osmosis. you learn about it by doing it. I have done both for many years (informed). is that clearer?

my point is that while people may not like the music deadmau5 produces, they should appreciate the fact that what he does takes 100 x more talent and ability than what ANY dj does. I don't care if you don't like mozart or picasso. I don't like them either. but the fact that I don't like them does not by any means mean that I think they suck. say I like the drawing my 6 year old did for me in art class better than botticelli's primavera. that is a perfectly reasonable preference. but that preference doesn't mean botticelli's work hasn't appealed to both the critics and the masses. even if I didn't like the primavera, I am able to recognize and respect that the amount of work and artistic talent that goes into painting something like that far exceeds my 3 year old's ability.
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Yea, it takes talent to produce good music. Deadmau5 doesn't. He's also a fucking prick. Anyone defending him is a fucking dumbass. He said that all DJ's are cunts... man fuck him and his crew. If that's you, fuck you too. Today producers are like DJs in 2004... everyone is one, most of them are shit. /thread.

fuck.

And one last thing... what Deadmau5 does is progressive house... aka slow trance. Electro has a fucking hard 808 kick, a breakbeat and isn't 4/4 kickstep shit. He's a shitty trance DJ who makes shitty trance tunes. And to the guy who named Tiesto as a good producer or DJ LOFUCKINGL
 
lol.

Awards

Juno Awards

2008 Dance Recording of the Year for "All U Ever Want" with Billy Newton-Davis.
2009 Dance Recording of the Year for "Random Album Title"

Beatport Music Awards

2008 Best Electro House Artist.
2008 Best Progressive House Artist.
2008 Best single for "Not Exactly".
2008 Best remix, 3rd place for Burufunk vs. Carbon Community - "Community Funk" (Deadmau5 Remix).
2009 Best Electro House Artist.
2009 Best Progressive House Artist.

DJmag.com Top 100 DJs Poll

2008 Highest new entry, voted 11th best DJ.

Nominations

2008 Dance Recording of the Year for "After Hours" with Melleefresh
2008 Beatport Music Awards Best Remix of 2007, won as Third Best Remics 2007 for Burufunk and Carbon Community's "Community Funk" (Deadmau5 Remix).
2009 Grammy Best Remixed Recording, Non-Classical ("The Longest Road" (Deadmau5 Remix) by Morgan Page featuring Lissie)
2009 Juno Dance Recording of the Year for "Move For Me" with Kaskade
2009 Juno Dance Recording of the Year for "Random Album Title"

if it doesn't take talent to produce records that generate millions of dollars, why don't you do it? deadmau5 doesn't care if you don't like his music, and neither do I. fuck, I don't like deadmau5's music. but that isn't the point. whether or not you like deadmau5's music is a matter of taste. de gustibus non est disputandum. tons of people love it, and that is the absolute ONLY objective criterion by which people can argue about whether music is good or not. I would challenge you to find another one, but somehow I get the sense that you've got your hands full remembering not to drag your knuckles on the floor behind you when you walk.
 
toa$t said:
Awards

Juno Awards

Beatport Music Awards

DJmag.com Top 100 DJs Poll
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For most of these establishments giving out "awards" seems kind of redundant. They could save some time and just say "he sold a lot of records".
As for the DJmag poll. I've seen the results of those polls before, they reflect populariy, not quality.

toa$t said:
tons of people love it, and that is the absolute ONLY objective criterion by which people can argue about whether music is good or not.
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I disagree. It's just another subjective means by which to argue about whether music is good or not. I think what you meant is that it is measurable or quantifiable because it can be thought of in terms of numbers (eg. number of records sold.)

Sales hardly equals quality, just look at Lady Gaga. She described her own music as 'soulless electronic music that happens to be good for dancing in clubs too'.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/jul/02/lady-gaga

But it sells. Not to say that I don't find some of her songs catchy, I don't mind her. But I wouldn't take her chart topping as a sign that hers is the most quality music around. Sales have so many other things that need to be taken into account, like marketing, exposure, and the immediacy of the track/s.

As for the question of whether dj'ing or producing is harder. Who cares? It's supposed to be about the quality of the art. Using this reasoning, I could assert that bagpipes are harder to play than guitars, and therefore bagpipe music requires more talent and should therefore command more respect. Look at those lazy guitar players, just ask any bagpiper, they have it harder. ;)
 
Rated E said:
For most of these establishments giving out "awards" seems kind of redundant. They could save some time and just say "he sold a lot of records".
As for the DJmag poll. I've seen the results of those polls before, they reflect populariy, not quality.

I disagree. It's just another subjective means by which to argue about whether music is good or not. I think what you meant is that it is measurable or quantifiable because it can be thought of in terms of numbers (eg. number of records sold.)

Sales hardly equals quality, just look at Lady Gaga. She described her own music as 'soulless electronic music that happens to be good for dancing in clubs too'.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/jul/02/lady-gaga

But it sells. Not to say that I don't find some of her songs catchy, I don't mind her. But I wouldn't take her chart topping as a sign that hers is the most quality music around. Sales have so many other things that need to be taken into account, like marketing, exposure, and the immediacy of the track/s.
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measurable + quantifiable = objective. what you are doing is questioning whether the number of records sold is at all favourably relevant to the quality of music. if you really want to say that it isn't, I am simply going to say that I think you are wrong an leave it at that. but I hope you admit that IF it were relevant, record sales would be the only objective indicator of music's quality.

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As for the question of whether dj'ing or producing is harder. Who cares? It's supposed to be about the quality of the art. Using this reasoning, I could assert that bagpipes are harder to play than guitars, and therefore bagpipe music requires more talent and should therefore command more respect. Look at those lazy guitar players, just ask any bagpiper, they have it harder. ;)
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I agree. this is not a counter-argument.
 
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